Michael Jackson...role model?

[DisneyBlonde]

Oh, I would agree. IF he was guilty (which was never proven), then yes the parents would be to blame for purposfully putting their child in that situation. Hundreds, if not thousands of kids visited Neverland Ranch over the years; many of these kids stayed over night. Why has no one else ever came forward and accused him? Why is there not one person that knew him ever said "it's possible"? Why on earth would any parent that trully thinks there child was molested settle for any amount of money rather than wanting to see the predator come to justice?

My feelings exactly. He did a stupid thing by having children sleep over, but I don't believe he touched them. He was a target, a target full of money and by allowing the sleepovers he set himself up.

Stupid, but not against the law.

 

[agame2323]

Originally Posted by agame2323
I'm sorry if certain people feel offended...becuase I'm about to offend.

This was / is a pointless post. It adds no value, or substance in regards to productive content. All the question from the OP has managed to do is showcase how ignorant and stupid some of you can be by responding and entertaining this nonsense. Based off some of the comments I read, I wouldn’t want my kids to grow up and be like some of YOU! Who I guess have it all together and live perfect lives.

Why are you so concerned with another person’s life? How are you in ANY position to speak on how messed up someone is when you probably have problems of your own? I’m willing to bet most of you have a relative that may not have it all upstairs but because their life is not as interesting as MJ’s no one cares.

People…grow up. Michael Jackson was an entertainer. He should be remembered for that. Nothing more. Nothing less. What he did in his personal life is now between him and God. Its posts like these and comments like some of you provided that help fuel and turn someone’s death into a 3 Ring, Barnum & Bailey circus show.

The man died. How and why really should not concern you. But for some reason it does. It just goes to show how shallow your life is when you become so obsessed with someone else’s. Some of you call Michael Jackson weird. If that’s weird or strange, than what do you call a bunch of people sitting in front of a computer talking bad about someone they never met a day in life? Some of you are somewhere with NOTHING better to do but chat on a DISNEY RELATED WEBSITE about a man who you never came to know. Some of YOU people have problems (personal problems) far greater than Mj even had.

This person just asked “would you want your KIDS to grow up to be like MICHAEL JACKSON?” What type of crap is that? I don’t want my kid to grow up and be like ANYONE. Not Jackson, not Obama, not Bush, not Bill Gates. No one. Their role models should be mom and dad. Not someone they only see on TV. But I think some of you are not qualified to be a role model to your own children. (don’t believe me. See previous comments)

Some of you are exemplifying the type of parents you are by calling this man, who YOU never knew, names. Is that what you teach your kids? Judge people you don’t know? You teach ignorance and that’s why YOUR kids maybe worst off than Michael when it’s all said and done. Some of you, right now, have ignorant, careless children that bully other kids. Don’t obey rules. Lack respect. Use foul language. Talk back to YOU. Fight. And are overall just headed in the wrong direction. But ohhh noooo….you wouldn’t want them to be Michael Jackson. Please.

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Hi!

Actually I agree with everything you say here. You put it so eloquently. I just don't understand why some people become so darn vicious when it comes to a deceased person. Heck the guy is "dead". There were no known facts that he molested anyone. Not one person on this board was there. Like I said in an earlier post they're are some blood sucking people out there that just want a little piece of the pie when it came to MJ. When he was indicted in 93 of molestating a child, they paid the mother off. Well, now it comes out that the boy just recently came forward and said all of this was a big fat lie. Further, his mother was convicted of welfare fraud. Doesn't that say something? Look, MJ was a little wierd, but I think deep down inside he was screaming for help. He was a very troubled man indeed. Why some people are judging this guy is beyond me. We're all entitled to our own opinion, but some people go way beyond opinions. Some are demonizing this man, by mere assumptions. Another thing weren't we all brought up to not talk "ill" of the dead? Where is the humanity?

Thanks for the reply. I happy to see someone is looking at this in a diffenert "non-bashing Michael" way.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Would you want your child to grow up to be like Michael Jackson, I mean the whole MJ, with the talent, money, generosity, extensive plastic surgery,and the young boy sleepovers?

Yes or no.

Slanted question much?

Yes, I would want my children to want equality for all, and I would want them to give to charities, and I would want them to share with the world all of the talents God has given them.

Yes I would want them to be happy in their own skin, and yes I would approve of them helping those children in need and taking them into their lives and touching their HEARTS.

Michael Jackson is an innocent man convicted of incredulous crimes that he would not have it in him to commit.

So the answer to your question is yes. I would be happy to be blessed with a child like Michael.

 

[Ppufi]

There are some commendable parts of his life, whatever the hell you want to think.

So yes, if I ever have children, I'd want them to be kind and generous. If they wanted to be singers I'd support them.

Nay-sayers, just begone.

 

[agame2323]

I since a change in the force.

 

[Vixen]

I'm sorry if certain people feel offended...becuase I'm about to offend.

This was / is a pointless post. It adds no value, or substance in regards to productive content. All the question from the OP has managed to do is showcase how ignorant and stupid some of you can be by responding and entertaining this nonsense. Based off some of the comments I read, I wouldn’t want my kids to grow up and be like some of YOU! Who I guess have it all together and live perfect lives.

Why are you so concerned with another person’s life? How are you in ANY position to speak on how messed up someone is when you probably have problems of your own? I’m willing to bet most of you have a relative that may not have it all upstairs but because their life is not as interesting as MJ’s no one cares.

People…grow up. Michael Jackson was an entertainer. He should be remembered for that. Nothing more. Nothing less. What he did in his personal life is now between him and God. Its posts like these and comments like some of you provided that help fuel and turn someone’s death into a 3 Ring, Barnum & Bailey circus show.

The man died. How and why really should not concern you. But for some reason it does. It just goes to show how shallow your life is when you become so obsessed with someone else’s. Some of you call Michael Jackson weird. If that’s weird or strange, than what do you call a bunch of people sitting in front of a computer talking bad about someone they never met a day in life? Some of you are somewhere with NOTHING better to do but chat on a DISNEY RELATED WEBSITE about a man who you never came to know. Some of YOU people have problems (personal problems) far greater than Mj even had.

This person just asked “would you want your KIDS to grow up to be like MICHAEL JACKSON?” What type of crap is that? I don’t want my kid to grow up and be like ANYONE. Not Jackson, not Obama, not Bush, not Bill Gates. No one. Their role models should be mom and dad. Not someone they only see on TV. But I think some of you are not qualified to be a role model to your own children. (don’t believe me. See previous comments)

Some of you are exemplifying the type of parents you are by calling this man, who YOU never knew, names. Is that what you teach your kids? Judge people you don’t know? You teach ignorance and that’s why YOUR kids maybe worst off than Michael when it’s all said and done. Some of you, right now, have ignorant, careless children that bully other kids. Don’t obey rules. Lack respect. Use foul language. Talk back to YOU. Fight. And are overall just headed in the wrong direction. But ohhh noooo….you wouldn’t want them to be Michael Jackson. Please.

OMG you could not have said it better

 

[Vixen]

slanted question much?

Yes, i would want my children to want equality for all, and i would want them to give to charities, and i would want them to share with the world all of the talents god has given them.

Yes i would want them to be happy in their own skin, and yes i would approve of them helping those children in need and taking them into their lives and touching their hearts.

Michael jackson is an innocent man convicted of incredulous crimes that he would not have it in him to commit.

So the answer to your question is yes. I would be happy to be blessed with a child like michael.

amen!!!!!!!!!!

 

[redrosesix]

I think the parents as just as much to blame as he is. Maybe more

Here! Here! No way I would let my kid sleep over at a stranger's house.

I since a change in the force.

Hmmm...really?

I think that most of the people who vehemently believe that MJ was a pedophile have already said their piece. Those that are on the fence, like me, are just starting to find this thread or decided not to ignore it anymore.

 

[agame2323]

Here! Here! No way I would let my kid sleep over at a stranger's house.



Hmmm...really?

I think that most of the people who vehemently believe that MJ was a pedophile have already said their piece. Those that are on the fence, like me, are just starting to find this thread or decided not to ignore it anymore.

Okay whatever “theory” you want to use as to who has answered and who is on the fence is up to you. How you can make that determination is beyond me. But hey…

ANYWAY, look I ask this question to you and anyone else “on the fence.” Some of you like to look past the facts. The man was acquitted but oh, there are flaws in the system (I knew that one was coming). I also heard, he settled out court and that proves he did it. So here’s my question:

If your kid was the victim of a pedophile and the accuser want to settle of court, would you do it? Remember this is your child. I like to believe ethics and principals should play a part in your decision and if they do, NO amount of money is worth the well-being of your child and other children who may come into contact with this pedophile. It comes down to morals and character. Morals being this person did wrong and should be punished because he is truly a danger to society. Character because never in a million years would I place money above my children.

So when I look at the character traits of these people, they did the opposite. Took money and let a “pedophile” walk free. If you except and support that way of thinking… I feel sorry for your kids.

 

[luvsJack]

Okay whatever “theory” you want to use as to who has answered and who is on the fence is up to you. How you can make that determination is beyond me. But hey…

ANYWAY, look I ask this question to you and anyone else “on the fence.” Some of you like to look past the facts. The man was acquitted but oh, there are flaws in the system (I knew that one was coming). I also heard, he settled out court and that proves he did it. So here’s my question:

If your kid was the victim of a pedophile and the accuser want to settle of court, would you do it? Remember this is your child. I like to believe ethics and principals should play a part in your decision and if they do, NO amount of money is worth the well-being of your child and other children who may come into contact with this pedophile. It comes down to morals and character. Morals being this person did wrong and should be punished because he is truly a danger to society. Character because never in a million years would I place money above my children.

So when I look at the character traits of these people, they did the opposite. Took money and let a “pedophile” walk free. If you except and support that way of thinking… I feel sorry for your kids.

EXACTLY!!! I just cannot fathom allowing someone I know to be a child molester walk free while I walked away with millions. Not gonna happen. In fact he would be lucky to walk away with all his. . . uhmmm "parts" intact. To me the settling out of court proves nothing.

 

[raysnkaysmom]

Okay whatever “theory” you want to use as to who has answered and who is on the fence is up to you. How you can make that determination is beyond me. But hey…

ANYWAY, look I ask this question to you and anyone else “on the fence.” Some of you like to look past the facts. The man was acquitted but oh, there are flaws in the system (I knew that one was coming). I also heard, he settled out court and that proves he did it. So here’s my question:

If your kid was the victim of a pedophile and the accuser want to settle of court, would you do it? Remember this is your child. I like to believe ethics and principals should play a part in your decision and if they do, NO amount of money is worth the well-being of your child and other children who may come into contact with this pedophile. It comes down to morals and character. Morals being this person did wrong and should be punished because he is truly a danger to society. Character because never in a million years would I place money above my children.

So when I look at the character traits of these people, they did the opposite. Took money and let a “pedophile” walk free. If you except and support that way of thinking… I feel sorry for your kids.

I have 2 thoughts on this...

1 - I still think it's possible (actually I belive, IMO, he's innocent) that he didn't do it, and the mom knew it, that's why she settled with him out of court.

2- If this did happen to my child, I dont know what all my child would go thru, recalling the experience repeatedly in court, but I may settle just to end it and move on to end it for my child.

 

[agame2323]

I have 2 thoughts on this...


2- If this did happen to my child, I dont know what all my child would go thru, recalling the experience repeatedly in court, but I may settle just to end it and move on to end it for my child.

Thanks for the reply. Again, I think in goes back to the well-being and the overall importance of it. A situation like that just doesn’t affect your child. It has an impact on an entire community (thats one of the main reason sex offenders must register) . How would you feel (knowing you let this person walk) if down the road another child was molested by this person? That’s something you could have prevented. You could have saved that particular child but the well-being and safety of other children didn’t rank high on your list.

For children who have unfortunately had to experience that sort of thing, my heart goes out to them. But after that, it becomes our job as responsible and caring parents to make sure it never happens again. Not to my child or your child. That person is truly and danger to society and your letting them walk. Think about that.

 

[declansdad]

Thanks for the reply. Again, I think in goes back to the well-being and the overall importance of it. A situation like that just doesn’t affect your child. It has an impact on an entire community (thats one of the main reason sex offenders must register) . How would you feel (knowing you let this person walk) if down the road another child was molested by this person? That’s something you could have prevented. You could have saved that particular child but the well-being and safety of other children didn’t rank high on your list.

For children who have unfortunately had to experience that sort of thing, my heart goes out to them. But after that, it becomes our job as responsible and caring parents to make sure it never happens again. Not to my child or your child. That person is truly and danger to society and your letting them walk. Think about that.

I believe that you do what is best for your own child. If my child was able to deal with a trial, then I would do it. If not, I would take the settlement and look after my own family.

 

[4Robins]

C'mon, dont you people have faith in our justice system? They found MJ innocent, so it must be true he didnt do it, i mean, afterall, they found OJ innocent, so by definetion, OJ didnt do it!!! That 25 million in hush money, ummmmm, well we over look that dont we, guess it meant nothing. Looks like we tend to have selective memory about parts of peoples lives if we choose to ( hmmmm).

 

[Aisling]

This was / is a pointless post. It adds no value, or substance in regards to productive content. All the question from the OP has managed to do is showcase how ignorant and stupid some of you can be by responding and entertaining this nonsense. Based off some of the comments I read, I wouldn’t want my kids to grow up and be like some of YOU! Who I guess have it all together and live perfect lives.

People…grow up. Michael Jackson was an entertainer. He should be remembered for that. Nothing more. Nothing less. What he did in his personal life is now between him and God. Its posts like these and comments like some of you provided that help fuel and turn someone’s death into a 3 Ring, Barnum & Bailey circus show.

This person just asked “would you want your KIDS to grow up to be like MICHAEL JACKSON?” What type of crap is that?

To me, this is not a "pointless thread", nor is it "crap". If you read WHY I ask this question, you'd understand.

I was trying to draw light to how pointless it was. But I guess you missed...that point.

Again, not pointless. My point was that there were parents being interviewed outside the memorial who said MJ is a role model for their children. I found this disturbing. You didn't. We differ, and it's ok with me.

I don't think any sane adult is going to say it's acceptable to let other people kids sleep in your bed.

Actually there were some posters on other MJ threads on this CB who said they WOULD let their children sleep in his bed.

Slanted question much?



So the answer to your question is yes. I would be happy to be blessed with a child like Michael.

This isn't slanted. I was referring to MJ as his whole person/talents/activities/oddness/greatness. I don't know if he molested young boys, and neither do you. I do know he slept in bed with them, which he admitted. Leave out the "odd" behavior and then then my question does become slanted.


I asked my question right after seeing these interviews, and I was VERY surprised how saint-like he's being portrayed by parents to their children.

It's easy to call someone a pot-stirrer or popcorn server when a nerve has been touched. I'm neither one of those things. I'm a mother who was shocked at hearing the replies of those parents. I guess I'm not as hip as you are and they are.

When I point out role models for my kids, I don't delete the controversial aspects. I see many of you do, and I guess that's what makes us different and makes the world go 'round.

 

[sbell111]

I believe that you do what is best for your own child. If my child was able to deal with a trial, then I would do it. If not, I would take the settlement and look after my own family.

I agree. To a great extent, you have to be concerned about what is best for your child, not society. Some kids would need the closure of winning the trial, while others would be damaged by it.

This post should not be taken as my agreeing with those who insist that MJ was a molester, I do not.

 

[agame2323]

I believe that you do what is best for your own child. If my child was able to deal with a trial, then I would do it. If not, I would take the settlement and look after my own family.

I see your point but then you have to also consider the message it sends to your child as they mature. Does your action send the message that money is the answer to all problems? If not, why would you need to settle out of court? Why not just drop it all together. You go your way, the accuser goes their way. If its TRULY about your child, what part does a certain amount of money play it the whole thing?

Would you be willing to walk away without receiving any money? Or does money make it all better?

 

[declansdad]

I see your point but then you have to also consider the message it sends to your child as they mature. Does your action send the message that money is the answer to all problems? If not, why would you need to settle out of court? Why not just drop it all together. You go your way, the accuser goes their way. If its TRULY about your child, what part does a certain amount of money play it the whole thing?

Would you be willing to walk away without receiving any money? Or does money make it all better?

Money would still act as a form of punishment and as we have read on here and other sites, a sign of his guilt. I don't think it necessarily sends a bad message to the child as long as the money is used to assist the child recover.

To answer your questions: No I wouldn't walk away without the money; No money doesn't make it all better but it would help.

 

[agame2323]

Money would still act as a form of punishment and as we have read on here and other sites, a sign of his guilt. I don't think it necessarily sends a bad message to the child as long as the money is used to assist the child recover.

To answer your questions: No I wouldn't walk away without the money; No money doesn't make it all better but it would help.

Understandable, but money is nothing more than an object. Money can not be used as a tool for punishment. If you miss too many days at work, eventually you get fired. Your boss doesn’t say, “I’m punishing you. Give me $5,000.”

My problem with the notion of excepting money is that your placing a dollar value on a very serious situation. Then you get into an entirely different situation pertaining to how much money. How much money does it take a child to recover from being molested? It’s not like buying a car. There is no Kelly Blue book that says “Oh the child is 9yrs old…that’s worth 2million.” To the accuser its X, to YOU its Y. The child / victim doesn’t even matter at that stage.

My point is it becomes less about the victim and more about those people looking to make a substantial profit. The child is pushed aside and the matter at hand becomes “how much you gonna give us to make this go away.” When you say the money “helps” who does it help? If the child never needed it before, how does IT help?

 

[declansdad]

Understandable, but money is nothing more than an object. Money can not be used as a tool for punishment. If you miss too many days at work, eventually you get fired. Your boss doesn’t say, “I’m punishing you. Give me $5,000.”

My problem with the notion of excepting money is that your placing a dollar value on a very serious situation. Then you get into an entirely different situation pertaining to how much money. How much money does it take a child to recover from being molested? It’s not like buying a car. There is no Kelly Blue book that says “Oh the child is 9yrs old…that’s worth 2million.” To the accuser its X, to YOU its Y. The child / victim doesn’t even matter at that stage.

My point is it becomes less about the victim and more about those people looking to make a substantial profit. The child is pushed aside and the matter at hand becomes “how much you gonna give us to make this go away.” When you say the money “helps” who does it help? If the child never needed it before, how does IT help?

You are missing the point and starting to compare apples to oranges. It would be a punishment to the guilty party; much the same as the damages that would be awarded in a civil suit.

It also doesn't become about making a profit. If your child could not deal with all the emotion and stress from a trial, you would want to do what is best for them. The money that you could be given in a settlement could go a long way in paying for the therapy that the child will probably need to come to terms with what happened.