Memorial Day Re-Opening ?

[tjkraz]

But you don't really know, this is all speculation at this point. Nobody really knows. Simple as that.

That's why we are relying on the advice of trained virologists who have made a career studying the transmission of disease. Better than relying on Average Joe whose educated opinion is limited to "gee, more people die from car accidents so I don't see what the big deal is."

Again what about the flue? Why not the same level of panic and concern? Because it's been around for awhile and we have grown used to those statics? Not sure that's a good enough reason.

Because the flu does not bring the healthcare system of an entire city or region to its knees.

Open your eyes. Look at what's happening in Italy and Spain. The video is out there. The stories are out there. Does that look like the flu?

New York City is converting dorm rooms and convention centers to hospital wards. The Navy is sending a floating hospital into the harbor. Does that happen every flu season? These moves aren't an overreaction. The medical resources are needed. Now.

If our healthcare system cannot manage the influx of Covid patients, others will die from heart attacks, strokes and every other condition which are normally treatable.

When a bad flu bug hits, doctors aren't forced to choose who lives and who dies because they don't have enough ventilators to keep everyone breathing.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

The people calling for "reopening everything" are finance people, not public health experts.

And the public health experts are saying that until there is a vaccine, it is highly likely 40-70% of the population will end up contracting this virus. Reopening stuff that creates crowd situations will accelerate the infection rates. You reopen WDW, assume 20%+ of the CMs will end up out sick, and many people who travel to WDW will travel home with the illness.

I hire accountants to do my taxes, an attorney to litigate on my behalf, a dentist to do my root canal, and an arborist to work on my trees. Similarly, I trust public health experts and the WHO around public health far more than I trust someone with a degree in finance or economics talking about virology.

 

[Brett Wyman]

The people calling for "reopening everything" are finance people, not public health experts.

You're correct and you can bet Disney will follow the finance folks first and the health experts second. No way the parks stay close until a vaccine is available. When they legally can open and theres even a general sense of calm the parks will re-open. And the day they make that call 100 health experts will decree it as a bad decision. But it will happen.

 

[we"reofftoneverland]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/
Interesting to see that Sweden has primary schools and many businesses like restaurants open and yet has similar Coronavirus illness numbers to neighboring countries on lockdown. It seems like it is not necessary to lock down much to slow infection rates. Common sense plays a big roll. This whole situation is awful. I do see big promise in therapies that are being used as we speak. Today the FDA approved the use of plasma from people who have already recovered. Old school until there is a vaccine.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/
Interesting to see that Sweden has primary schools and many businesses like restaurants open and yet has similar Coronavirus illness numbers to neighboring countries on lockdown. It seems like it is not necessary to lock down much to slow infection rates. Common sense plays a big roll. This whole situation is awful. I do see big promise in therapies that are being used as we speak. Today the FDA approved the use of plasma from people who have already recovered. Old school until there is a vaccine.

Sweden is smaller and has more common sense than the US.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Because the virus is still going to be ripping a hole in society all summer long this year.

The reason flatten the curve is a thing is because if everyone ends up sick at once, the death rate increases rapidly.

It is unrealistic to expect "normalcy" any time soon. Even if everyone goes back to work, Disney World opens, etc. Viral spread is going to preclude normal. If 20% of the teachers in a school fall ill, that's not going to support getting kids "back to level" at pace.

So based on your above comments I guess we shouldn't be reopening schools in September either. How could we if "the virus is still ripping a hole in society all summer long"? So I guess in your very educated guess we shouldn't reopen the schools until....oh I don't know maybe the following Jan or Sept 2022?

Again you don't really know what will happen, no-one does not even the experts. They are all hoping and guessing just like you and me. Granted they have been educated in the necessary fields and have access to far more information then you or me to make an educated guess but still just a guess, crossing their fingers just like the rest of us.

I for one would rather take an optimistic view of this whole mess rather a pessimistic one. JMHO

 

[Ms.Minnie]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/
Interesting to see that Sweden has primary schools and many businesses like restaurants open and yet has similar Coronavirus illness numbers to neighboring countries on lockdown. It seems like it is not necessary to lock down much to slow infection rates. Common sense plays a big roll. This whole situation is awful. I do see big promise in therapies that are being used as we speak. Today the FDA approved the use of plasma from people who have already recovered. Old school until there is a vaccine.

Sweden is smaller and has more common sense than the US.

Really? So in your knowledgeable opinion Sweden has more common sense than the US, that's what you said. So Sweden still has their schools, and other business open and you think they have more common sense than US but you want to keep our schools, etc closed till who knows when. That doesn't make much sense to me...just saying you can't have it both ways.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

I'm curious to know what is the demographic of the sick population. What groups of people make up all the infected people in NYC? It would be interesting to see who these people are and if there is any kind of pattern.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

I have one other thing to say on this subject. I sincerely hope that our elected officials on both sides of the isle see the error of their ways when they sold us out and allowed most of our manufacturing and production jobs to be shipped to other countries putting the USA at the mercy of those other countries. I hope they have seen the light that we need to make things here and not be so dependent on others. It scares me to think that a lot of our pharmaceuticals come from China and other countries that don't have the same standards as we do in this country.

My mother used to tell us back in the 70s to buy "Made In America", how right she was. This has been going on for 50+ years, I'm glad we finally have someone who recognizes this very dangerous situation and is trying to correct it.

 

[tjkraz]

So based on your above comments I guess we shouldn't be reopening schools in September either. How could we if "the virus is still ripping a hole in society all summer long"? So I guess in your very educated guess we shouldn't reopen the schools until....oh I don't know maybe the following Jan or Sept 2022?

All possibilities are on the table.

Here's what will NOT happen: society will not return to normal as long as projections show we cannot handle the influx of patients.

The problem is being attacked from many fronts: drug trials, vaccine research, expansion of medical services (more beds, more ventilators), etc. Until those efforts start to show results, this is all we have.

Again you don't really know what will happen, no-one does not even the experts. They are all hoping and guessing just like you and me. Granted they have been educated in the necessary fields and have access to far more information then you or me to make an educated guess but still just a guess, crossing their fingers just like the rest of us.

The experts know how disease spreads. They know how long this virus lives on various surfaces. They've seen the pattern of infections in other countries and have plenty of data to chart what is happening in the US. Until proven otherwise, I expect them to err on the side that will save the most lives.

I for one would rather take an optimistic view of this whole mess rather a pessimistic one. JMHO

Most people want to remain optimistic about the outcome. Doctors and scientists don't have the luxury of blind optimism when making life and death decisions.

I'm curious to know what is the demographic of the sick population. What groups of people make up all the infected people in NYC? It would be interesting to see who these people are and if there is any kind of pattern.

If you want the answer to that, all you need to do is READ. Don't bury your head in the sand and spread dangerous theories and misinformation.

No pattern of immunities has been detected. A minor (under 18) in California who passed-away yesterday was infected.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Even someone like Lindsay Graham has said: "Try running an economy with major hospitals overflowing, doctors and nurses forced to stop treating some because they can’t help all, and every moment of gut-wrenching medical chaos being played out in our living rooms, on TV, on social media, and shown all around the world. There is no functioning economy unless we control the virus."

Public health experts are speaking with one voice that "return to normal" is not a realistic goal in the near-term, and is in fact dangerous. I trust science, and I trust them.

 

[TraderSamWDW]

Ill take the word of knowledgeable scientists about disease over people wanting to be re-elected any day.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Ill take the word of knowledgeable scientists about disease over people wanting to be re-elected any day.

Sometimes you have to weigh both issues to determine what is best for people. If they can keep people from infecting others, opening up the government would be better for the economy. If the economy goes in the toilet, no one will be going to Disney for years. All their parks will look like that one that was abandoned near Chernobyl.

 

[Toolulu22]

I'm not expecting any schools to reopen their facilities. At best, they will continue to provide education via computer.

I don’t know how reliable a source they are... I just returned from an ”appointment” to the school where I teach to retrieve personal items and some teaching materials. Only a few cleaning crew and security on hand as well as 3 or 4 other teachers. Several of the cleaning crew and security said “see you in September” when I was leaving.

I’m still hopeful to get at least a few weeks at the end of the year back in the school. But, I don’t think it’s looking good.

I would imagine that WDW has a way to go before opening as well. In a known pandemic, why would they take a chance. Besides the fact that there are travel restrictions for overseas travelers as well as travelers from certain states.

 

[TraderSamWDW]

If they can keep people from infecting others.

Of course, and that is exactly what I would trust scientists with deciding.

I realize there is a tight line to walk - and certainly not a responsibility I would want.

But, I admit, I am a cynic, and I do not trust a sitting president whose re-election hopes are highly hung on the economy to make a balanced decision. And that is not an anti-trump statement. If Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, and things were exactly the same today, I'd feel exactly the same way. Anyone would want the same thing all 43 people who have held the office before them wanted in their first term, a second term.

 

[we"reofftoneverland]

Of course, and that is exactly what I would trust scientists with deciding.

I realize there is a tight line to walk.

But, I admit, I am a cynic, and I do not trust a sitting president whose re-election hopes are highly hung on the economy to make a balanced decision. And that is not an anti-trump statement. If Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, and things were exactly the same today, I'd feel exactly the same way. Anyone would want the same thing all 43 people who have held the office before them wanted in their first term, a second term.

I don’t actually think trump cares that much about reelection. If he cared about elections he wouldn’t say half the stuff that he does.
Polls show that the majority of the US population agree with him and don’t want a complete shutdown to continue. He is not saying certain places, “hotspots,” won’t have restrictions, and he is not saying local governments can’t make their own restrictions.

 

[The Prophet]

Of course, and that is exactly what I would trust scientists with deciding.

I realize there is a tight line to walk.

But, I admit, I am a cynic, and I do not trust a sitting president whose re-election hopes are highly hung on the economy to make a balanced decision. And that is not an anti-trump statement. If Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, and things were exactly the same today, I'd feel exactly the same way. Anyone would want the same thing all 43 people who have held the office before them wanted in their first term, a second term.

This November, we will be voting for President, the full House and one-third of the Senate
The outcome of all these elections depends on how well the economy recovers from this pandemic

I hope this $2T stimulus bill passes and does what is designed to do, because from what I see we are a week or two away from the recession becoming a depression

We need to keep businesses liquid or they will liquidate. Disney and Universal have deep pockets. They will survive this.
What about Seaworld, which was struggling before the pandenic?
What about other parks, such as Fun Spot, or off-site restaurants?

Putting politics aside, this is not good for anyone

 

[Sandisw]

We seem to be getting into posts that may violate our rules. I am shutting this down to prevent that. Thanks all.