Medals Don't Make a President

[TandJ61574]

Originally posted by Bobbles

The issue is simply, "I like Bush" or "I like Kerry".

I like Kerry!

But I don't feel it is necessary to argue the lack of President Bush combat service.

ITA !

 

[OceanAnnie]

Hey Poochie, you are too much!!!

Your post cracked me up! Thanks for the laugh.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
Clinton lied and then fled.

And Bush fled, then lied.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[sha_lyn]

And Bush fled, then lied.

Where did he flee to? Joining the armed services is not fleeing, it is serving.
What id he lie about?
So are you going to bring up the Dem lie that he is a deserter? If so, then please show proof by referring to copies of documents declaring him a deserter.

Now explain to me why the Dem's said military service is not important for a president when Clinton was running, but they are making a big deal out of Kerry serving active duty while Bush served in the guard.

 

[peachgirl]

If so, then please show proof by referring to copies of documents declaring him a deserter.

I'd settle for a site, much like Kerry provides, that details (with documentation) Bush's supposed service record.

Actually, I don't much care what Bush did to get out of serving in Vietnam. But, when the Republicans want to trash Kerry for serving his country, then Bush's paltry record is fair game.

As other more reasonable conservatives have said, Bush and his henchmen would do well to leave the subject of military service alone.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by TandJ61574
Medals Don't Make a President

And neither does Daddy's money, cronies, connections, and a 1-vote majority decision in the Supreme Court.

The current crop of Republicans questioning John Kerry's medals would give their left eyeball if Bush had just one of those medals.

 

[Frank Babaganoush]

Kerry resume:

POLITICAL POSTURING AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
ABORTION

Voted to federally fund abortions

Voted against parental consent for minors

Voted against ban on Partial Birth Abortion (3 times)

Voted against ban on sending money to UN population fund -- the money was sent to pay for China's forced abortion and sterilization policy

Have been warned by Catholic clergy that I will not be served communion due to my stance on this issue

NARAL lifetime rating of 100%; National Right to Life Committee lifetime rating of 0%

DEATH PENALTY

Oppose federal and/or state death penalty (except for innocent unborn children -- see above)

Voted against death penalty for terrorists

Voted against death penalty for drug-related murders

TAXES & ECONOMICS



Voted against all three Bush tax cuts & want to repeal them

Voted for 1993 Clinton tax hike (largest in history)

Voted against major tax relief packages at least 10 times

Support re-raising taxes on the wealthy to redistribute money for healthcare and education -- i.e., Socialism

Claim to be able to stop outsourcing and create 10 million new jobs in four years, despite the fact that there are only about 8 million unemployed people in the U.S.

Want to raise the minimum wage, which will result in outsourcing and the loss of jobs

Voted at least 5 times against balanced budget amendments

Voted at least 5 times to raid the Social Security Trust Fund

Believe Washington manages your money better than you could

Lifetime rating of 26% from Citizens Against Government Waste

MILITARY & NATIONAL SECURITY



Favor UN control of remaining U.S. Troops

Voted for 7 major reductions in military funding

Voted against Gulf War I (1991)

Voted for Gulf War II -- but then criticized and voted against military appropriation for troops

Voted against MX missile, Trident Submarine, SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative -- Star Wars), and the B-1 and B-2 Stealth Bomber/Fighter

Supported slashing $2.6 billion from intelligence funding while serving as a member of Senate Intelligence Committee

SECOND AMENDMENT

Against

Have earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association

FAITH & VALUES

Against/Don't have any

Voted Against Defense of Marriage Act

Favor civil unions for homosexuals until marriage is popular enough to support

Voted to extend hate crimes protections to homosexuals

Voted against voluntary school prayer

Voted against ban on human cloning and support embryonic stem-cell research

EDUCATION

Voted against voucher pilot program

Voted against approving a school-choice pilot program

Support racial profiling and preference for admission to universities, known as "affirmative action"

JUDGES, COURTS & LAW

Against racial profiling and preference when dealing with terrorism

Voted against confirmation William Rehnquist as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

Voted against confirmation of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court

Only support activist judges who will support abortion, persecute Christians and rewrite the Constitution

Voted against confirmation John Ashcroft as U.S. Attorney General

Voted against punitive damage limits in products liability cases

As Michael Dukakis' Lt. Governor from 1983-1985, supported granting prison furloughs to hundreds of Massachusetts inmates

FOREIGN POLICY

Against linking Most Favored Nation status to China's human rights record

Voted for Kyoto Protocol on Environment that exempted major Third World polluters, while creating an unfair burden on American taxpayers

Supported Iraq regime change as late as January 2003, but not anymore

Support unilateral nuclear freeze

Support submitting completely to the UN, as well as the International Criminal Court, taking all sovereignty away from the U.S. and its citizens

 

[Mr.MouseFan]

Medals may not make a President......and apparently, in G.W's case, brains don't make a President either.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
Where did he flee to? Joining the armed services is not fleeing, it is serving.

Bush joined the National Guard which was the hangout for rich boys who wanted to avoid service in Viet Nam.

Originally posted by sha_lyn
What id he lie about?

Whether or not he showed up for duty in Alabama?

Originally posted by sha_lyn
So are you going to bring up the Dem lie that he is a deserter? If so, then please show proof by referring to copies of documents declaring him a deserter.

Please, by all mean, let's see Bush's undoctored service documents.

Originally posted by sha_lyn
Now explain to me why the Dem's said military service is not important for a president when Clinton was running, but they are making a big deal out of Kerry serving active duty while Bush served in the guard.

Bill Clinton avoids mililtary service and the Republicans call him a draft dodger.

George Bush runs for cover in the National Guard and Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and the rest of this chickenhawk administration avoid military service, and what do the Republicans do........they throw bricks at Kerry's military service, medals, etc.

Good Lord..............

 

[mudhen]

Interesting, that's quite a laundry list........seems things must really bad for Bush considering Kerry is that wrong about
everything, yet Bush is still only even at best in the polls.

Look out for the Karl Rove and co. slime throwing machine
to really kick up in the next couple of months.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by Frank Babaganoush
Kerry resume:

POLITICAL POSTURING AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
Voted against confirmation John Ashcroft as U.S. Attorney General

And the good people of Missouri preferred a corpse over John Ashcroft.

 

[Frank Babaganoush]

Edited to remove sarcasm

 

[Frank Babaganoush]

Also edited for same

 

[Frank Babaganoush]

My last two posts sounded kind of mean spirited. For that I apologize.

 

[sn00zn]

Voted against ban on sending money to UN population fund -- the money was sent to pay for China's forced abortion and sterilization policy

from the United Nations Population Fund website (www.unfpa.org): "No. The Programme of Action of the International Conference on Population and Development held in Cairo, Egypt, in 1994 states that abortion should not be promoted as a method of family planning. UNFPA fully subscribes to this and does not provide support for abortion services. We work to prevent abortion through family planning, and to help countries provide services for women suffering from the complications of unsafe abortion."

Support re-raising taxes on the wealthy to redistribute money for healthcare and education -- i.e., Socialism

from www.dictionary.com: "Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."
You might not agree with raising the taxes (actually just rolling back the tax cuts at this point) on the wealthiest Americans to help fund healthcare and education for the poorest, but it isn't socialism.

Claim to be able to stop outsourcing and create 10 million new jobs in four years, despite the fact that there are only about 8 million unemployed people in the U.S.

www.factcheck.org does a good job of explaining this one (http://www.factcheck.org/SpecialReports.aspx?docid=178). It boils down to the fact that while there are 8.4 million officially "unemployed" people, there are also 4.9 million people willing to take a job but who haven't actively looked for work within the time-frame allowed by the survey. Take a look at the article--and their statistics check out with those at the Bureau of Labor statistics (www.bls.gov).

Want to raise the minimum wage, which will result in outsourcing and the loss of jobs

This is an opinion not a fact. Some economists believe this is true and some don't. If you are going to present it as a fact, you should be able to back it up.

Voted at least 5 times against balanced budget amendments

There are some valid reasons to vote against a balanced budget amendment. The fact is that Bill Clinton started office with a large deficit (primarily created by Reagan and Bush 1) and created a large surplus. According to msnbc.com "...a 10-year budget outlook that in 2001 projected $5.6 trillion in surpluses now foresees $2.7 trillion in deficits, an unprecedented fiscal swing." So Bush started with a record surplus and has turned it into a record deficit.

Voted at least 5 times to raid the Social Security Trust Fund

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, so please explain.

Favor UN control of remaining U.S. Troops

I haven't been able to find anywhere that John Kerry proposes this. Please let me know where you found it.

Support submitting completely to the UN, as well as the International Criminal Court, taking all sovereignty away from the U.S. and its citizens

You CAN'T be serious. But yes, please show me where John Kerry has made this suggestion.

As for the other bits, much of it either seemed silly (John Kerry has no values) or it was something I agreed with or wasn't very concerned about. I really would like to see where some of these facts are from.

snoozn

 

[Viking]

How come that conservatives are so fond of digging in Kerry's past and bashing him for a thing they would praise a republican for (His medals).
At least he was no drunk, and I also have the firm belief that he can eat a pretzel without help

IMHO it is much more honorable to get a military citation than a ticket for DUI

 

[Laura]

Originally posted by Frank Babaganoush
Voted to federally fund abortions

Voted against parental consent for minors

Voted against ban on Partial Birth Abortion (3 times)

Have been warned by Catholic clergy that I will not be served communion due to my stance on this issue

NARAL lifetime rating of 100%; National Right to Life Committee lifetime rating of 0%

Oppose federal and/or state death penalty

Voted against death penalty for terrorists

Voted against death penalty for drug-related murders

Voted against all three Bush tax cuts & want to repeal them

Voted for 1993 Clinton tax hike (largest in history)

Support re-raising taxes on the wealthy to redistribute money for healthcare and education -- i.e., Socialism

Stop outsourcing and create 10 million new jobs in four years, despite the fact that there are only about 8 million unemployed people in the U.S.

Want to raise the minimum wage

Voted against Gulf War I (1991)

Voted for Gulf War II -- but then criticized and voted against military appropriation for troops

Have earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association

Voted Against Defense of Marriage Act

Favor civil unions for homosexuals until marriage is popular enough to support

Voted to extend hate crimes protections to homosexuals

Voted against voluntary school prayer

Voted against ban on human cloning and support embryonic stem-cell research

Voted against voucher pilot program

Voted against approving a school-choice pilot program

Against racial profiling and preference when dealing with terrorism

Voted against confirmation William Rehnquist as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

Voted against confirmation of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court

Only support judges who will support abortion, persecute Christians and rewrite the Constitution

Voted against confirmation John Ashcroft as U.S. Attorney General

Voted against punitive damage limits in products liability cases

As Michael Dukakis' Lt. Governor from 1983-1985, supported granting prison furloughs to hundreds of Massachusetts inmates

Against linking Most Favored Nation status to China's human rights record

Voted for Kyoto Protocol on Environment that exempted major Third World polluters, while creating an unfair burden on American taxpayers

Support unilateral nuclear freeze

I swiped your list, Frank Babaganoush, and made it into a list of reasons why I want to vote for John Kerry. There wasn't much I had to edit.