Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally Posted by idratherbeinwdw
No we don't agree. My alot less meant none at all. Unless everyone had 5 in a one bedroom the effect is negligible IMHO. It's probably "evened out" by the fact that many times 2 or 3 stay in a one bedroom and it's "under" occupied. In fact I am going alone in January and staying in a one bedroom. So three families can stay 5 in a room and it will balance out my underuse.

I think that's an excellent point. This concept that suddenly all the resort resouces will be over run is nonsense. If anything the new 5 in a one bedroom guideline will lessen the demand on resort resouces. Postings seem to indicate people having 5 in a studio and more than 5 in a one bedroom. If that represents the current condition, this guideline should reduce the current demand on resources. Besides, I think local pool crashers are a bigger problem.

idratherbeinwdw, well stated.

 

[Dean]

CaptainMidnight, I'm going to try to quit arguing with you as there is no common ground. As for MS changing the rules, there is a method to do that. It will certainly take more than a second hand quote from a timeshare sales person to document this. And until there is more information, there is no fact to your stipulation.

 

[Dean]

I think that's an excellent point. This concept that suddenly all the resort resouces will be over run is nonsense. If anything the new 5 in a one bedroom guideline will lessen the demand on resort resouces. Postings seem to indicate people having 5 in a studio and more than 5 in a one bedroom. If that represents the current condition, this guideline should reduce the current demand on resources. Besides, I think local pool crashers are a bigger problem.

idratherbeinwdw, well stated.

Since you took the time to send me an insulting PM, I'll respond. No one said the resorts will be over run. Only that there will be an extra strain on various resources. We don't know how much of a strain and NONE of us have the info to determine it one way or another.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

No one said the resorts will be over run.

You're right, that is an exaggeration on my part. However, I think the resource strain is made out to be a bigger deal than it really is or will be with the 5 being OK in a one bedroom MS guideline.

We don't know how much of a strain and NONE of us have the info to determine it one way or another.

You are correct, I do not have data to support whether there will or will not be a strain or to what degree the strain will exist or subside from what we are currently experiencing. I also do not know if DVC is making this decision based on data or simply drawing what they consider to be a very reasonable line in the sand. My opinion is that this is a very moderate guideline and if accurate imposes limitations on studios to 4 (not previously enforced) and one bedrooms to 5 that were not enforced previously. This would lead me to believe that it may reduce the use of resouces that we experience currently. It is also my opinion that local pool crashers are a bigger problem causing resource strain than allowing the occasional 5 in a one bedroom, although I do not have data to support that view.

CaptainMidnight, I'm going to try to quit arguing with you...

That's fine, I do not have a desire to discuss this issue if we are not adding new information. We all know this issue is not going to be decided on this discussion forum, it will be decided by MS under the Board's governance.

Given the current ages of our children, if we reserved a two bedroom, one of the bedrooms would be locked off and completely unused for the vacation due to safety issues with very young children. I think MS has done the right thing in establishing the guideline of 5 being OK in a one bedroom. I'm still puzzled as to why some get so bent out of shape over it.

 

[Dean]

It is also my opinion that local pool crashers are a bigger problem causing resource strain than allowing the occasional 5 in a one bedroom, although I do not have data to support that view.

That's fine, and I don't disagree. However, I don't see it being applicable to this discussion.

 

[Tabatha]

This question is somewhat off the topic of the heated moral controversy of following the laws of occupancy, but my delima is this-

I currently have a family of 5 and by the time we take our next vacation we will be 6 strong. That's 2 adults, DD-4, DS-4, DD-3, and newborn. All of our children are very close and although we have 2 sets of bunk bends at home the kids typically share a bed everynight b/c they are extreamlly close. The fact that they are different genders does not bother me nor does it bother them. We cohabitate quite nicley in our real world daily lives in our 2 bdr home with little to no problem.

So my question is this- Would we be able to accomadate a 1bdr villia at WDW? Would WDW "allow" this? We've managed a regular hotel room just fine with the 5 of us and actually enjoy being close. I agree that 2bdr wuld be nice, but I hesitate to place 4 small children in a room by themselves, with access to the "outside world".

Ive read all the responses on the ethical reasons to follow the outlined rules, but obviously there is some gray areas or this discussion would not even be here. I dont care to hear anyones opinion of right/wrong of the situation, b/c that wont change anything. I am just intrested in knowing if this could be done. Thanks for any information you might have or if you have ever heard of anyone in this type of situation.

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

Tabatha, welcome to the DIS. Nothing like jumping into the fire with your first post. If you want the official answer, this would be a question for a MS. But if you really want a lot of DIS advice, post a new thread like "Is 6 OK in a 1BR?".

Since your kids are so little and one will be in the pack-n-play. I see how it could work for you. Good luck, and of course, enjoy your DVC!

 

[Dean]

This question is somewhat off the topic of the heated moral controversy of following the laws of occupancy, but my delima is this-

I currently have a family of 5 and by the time we take our next vacation we will be 6 strong. That's 2 adults, DD-4, DS-4, DD-3, and newborn. All of our children are very close and although we have 2 sets of bunk bends at home the kids typically share a bed everynight b/c they are extreamlly close. The fact that they are different genders does not bother me nor does it bother them. We cohabitate quite nicley in our real world daily lives in our 2 bdr home with little to no problem.

So my question is this- Would we be able to accomadate a 1bdr villia at WDW? Would WDW "allow" this? We've managed a regular hotel room just fine with the 5 of us and actually enjoy being close. I agree that 2bdr wuld be nice, but I hesitate to place 4 small children in a room by themselves, with access to the "outside world".

Ive read all the responses on the ethical reasons to follow the outlined rules, but obviously there is some gray areas or this discussion would not even be here. I dont care to hear anyones opinion of right/wrong of the situation, b/c that wont change anything. I am just intrested in knowing if this could be done. Thanks for any information you might have or if you have ever heard of anyone in this type of situation.

I think you'll have to ask MS what is currently allowed plus decide what you're comfortable with. A BR, LR and one Bath will be tough with that many.

 

[laceemouse]

Tabatha, we have 4 kids also. When they were 6, 4, 2, and an infant we stayed in one of those trundle bed rooms at Dixie Landings. About a year later we stayed in one room at the Polly. Both times we were legal as the youngest was under 3. As they get older though, close quarters like that get way too crowded. Also, as puberty nears they will no longer want to sleep with, change in front of, or bathe with the opposite sex. That is why we bought DVC, to get the 2 bedroom unit and have some space!!! Do you own DVC? Just be aware that as the kids get older you will have to use more points, but you should be okay for the next few years. Welcome to the DIS!!! Although I don't always agree with everyone I generally enjoy it here Lacee

 

[laceemouse]

Also, that 2 bedroom house will get tight too! A year ago we moved to a five bedroom so everyone has their own space now! It is heaven!!!

 

[CaptainMidnight]

I think you'll have to ask MS what is currently allowed plus decide what you're comfortable with. A BR, LR and one Bath will be tough with that many.

I agree with this. The decision lies with MS, not with posters on opposite sides of this discussion on this forum. As you've probably read, there are many polarized views on this occupancy issue. My understanding is that 6 in a one bedroom is too many, that the new guideline is 5 in a one bedroom, but checking with MS is the appropriate way to go.

Welcome to this forum, on most issues it is a wonderful resource. There are only a couple of issues like 'occupancy' and 'for-profit rental practices where prime holiday periods are auctioned off' that create controversy that can sometimes be unproductive.

Have a wonderful vacation with whatever you work out with MS.

 

[Dean]

I agree with this. The decision lies with MS, not with posters on opposite sides of this discussion on this forum. As you've probably read, there are many polarized views on this occupancy issue. My understanding is that 6 in a one bedroom is too many, that the new guideline is 5 in a one bedroom, but checking with MS is the appropriate way to go.

We agree, but for different reasons. It's MS responsibility to enforce the rules. Until or unless they decide to do so, any concerns should be placed with them. If MS decides to enforce the rules, as I think they should, the responsibility shifts to the member and any concerns then would be with the violator.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Tabatha,

Welcome! From a practical point of view, I'm not sure where you'll put everyone; if you and hubby have the MBR, there's only a sleeper sofa and the pack-n-play crib for the four little ones. But if your 4YOs and 3YO can share one sleeper - or you can squeeze in an aero-bed - you should be OK (again, only from a logistical POV).

I ask a favor of you: please come back and share with us your decision - and how your dealings with MS go. It's always nice to have a few actual cases to chew on in the midst of all our opinions!

Be well!

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Have a wonderful trip.

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Hope you had a great trip DrTomorrow.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Woo-hoo - now it's my turn to get flamed and/or misconstrued!

Let me just reassure you, Tabatha, and all of my other loyal fans (Mom? Honey? Son? Are you three out there? ) that I'm really just curious as to what MS says to someone who wants to book 6 (5 with 1 under 3YO). And the portion of my comments that Capt.Midnight quoted were from a meta-thread, a totally humorous and sarcastic response to another post (referring to hillbillies and refugees); the self-mocking is obvious if you read what I said - I think I insulted everyone equally!

Be well, Oh Ye Denizens Of The Occupancy Thread - The Doctor Lurves you all!

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

DT,

Get to work on your trip report and stop trying to dig yourself out of the hole you put yourself into. I haven't been able to work for the past week because I've been waiting by my computer for your words of wisdom and trying to figure out which category I fit into regarding room occupancy. (Of course, I guess I just answered that).

HBC

 

[FreeTime]

After seeing the post about 5 in a 1-BR I called MS to make reservations for my sis's family. I haven't read all of the responses on the post yet (I don't think I can get through that many pages of occupancy opinions ) so maybe a similiar response has been received. The associate advised me that 5 could only sleep in a 1-BR if there was a daybed. I asked her which resorts offered the daybed. She said BWV and BCV. I told her that I was aware of daybeds at BWV in studios but not 1-BRs. She said they are in 1-BRs as well. So if this is true, which if it is I can't believe I am just now hearing about it, how many of these 1-BR rooms with day beds exist and where are they putting the daybed?

 

[DebbieB]

I've stayed in 1 bedrooms at BWV 6 times and have never seen a daybed. Never heard of anyone else having one either. 1 bedrooms have bedding for four, 2 in the king and 2 on the sofabed. If you want 5, you'll have to bring additional bedding (aero bed, sleeping bag).

 

[Deb & Bill]

After seeing the post about 5 in a 1-BR I called MS to make reservations for my sis's family. I haven't read all of the responses on the post yet (I don't think I can get through that many pages of occupancy opinions ) so maybe a similiar response has been received. The associate advised me that 5 could only sleep in a 1-BR if there was a daybed. I asked her which resorts offered the daybed. She said BWV and BCV. I told her that I was aware of daybeds at BWV in studios but not 1-BRs. She said they are in 1-BRs as well. So if this is true, which if it is I can't believe I am just now hearing about it, how many of these 1-BR rooms with day beds exist and where are they putting the daybed?

That just shows you how much these people really know. The so-called daybed (more of an upholstered luggage rack) is about the size of a portable crib or smaller. And are only located in the dedicated studios at BWV. I have stayed in one of those rooms. The "daybed" is located where the door to the adjoining one bedroom would be.

 

[ILPHIL]

Won't even touch the "moral" argument. You will ever get either side to accept the other's viewpoint. So let me bring up something I haven't noticed in this thread (must admit haven't read every post)...the ecomonic side of the issue.
I'm sure when it comes to setting the amount of dues, the accountants have to take into account projected expenses for replacing things as they wear out or break. I would have to think that consistently having any property used by more people than planned for is going to accelerate the life cycle and lead to the need for replacement sooner than if used by the expected number of people. My guess is that raises everyone's dues to some degree.
So, if your decision is to put 5, 6, however many in a 1 bedroom villa, can you really make the claim that your decision doesn't impact anyone else?

Just my slightly more than 2 cents worth...