Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

[dmoore22]

Walmart let me take 21 items through the express lane. I've never been given a ticket for doing 3mph over. My dad let me take a sip of his beer once when I was a kid.


I've been watching this thread for years, but haven't read most it. Is this actually the first bit of levity?

As long as I'm around it won't be the last.

 

[Dean]

Walmart let me take 21 items through the express lane. I've never been given a ticket for doing 3mph over. My dad let me take a sip of his beer once when I was a kid.

I know you're being funny to a degree but your statements do speak to the underlying issue, IMO, those of honesty and integrity. This is the number one concept when I look at this issue though there are others that I also feel justify a more stringent approach including costs and resort experience by other guest. If one is simply trying to see how much they can get away with knowing they're violating the rules, I'm sure you know which side they fall on IMO. Specific to occupancy, one has to be pretty far out there to be above what DVC will allow given they'll allow 5 in a studio if one is under 3 and ONE over regardless of age for all other unit types. If you think about the size and makeup of the villas, this is VERY generous. So to be over that requires some effort.

I've been watching this thread for years, but haven't read most it. Is this actually the first bit of levity?

I don't think so but as in this case, is it really humor or an admission of guilt? To me the latter, see the above paragraph.

 

[dmoore22]

143 pages and nothing achieved ,i am going on holiday to Florida for the 19th year, most have been staying in wdw resorts and since 2004 in SSR and VB .just to be able to holiday there is something special and if i have to sleep on the floor well there is always tomorrow

The DISboards are a nice place to communicate with fellow Disneyphiles. You may find some answers to your questions here but it is always wiser to call member services for the definitive answer. You may hear what you want to hear or you may not but at least it will be definitive as opposed to some of the speculation that these discussions generate. Once you have the answer, and I know this may sound a bit extreme, it is advisable to document who the CM is that provided the information and when just in case the info comes back to bite you. Disney, like most service providers, wants to be consistent and, if there is misinformation being disseminated, or information that is misunderstood, they want to correct it so they can provide its guests with the best possible experience.

Disney is not immune to the same occupancy and fire codes as other businesses in the area even though it is its own separate and unique municipal corporation. The regulations are for the safety of the guests and other individuals on property even though they may be inconvenient at times.

I think we have all experienced guests who have abused their stay by, for example, having 8 guests sharing a studio during a semester break thus creating an uncomfortable situation for those in adjacent units. DVC/DVD is covering itself by enumerating these rules in the event of a horrible situation that could result in injury, or even death by the failure of a guest to follow these simple, easy to understand rules.

 

[Disneymooners93]

I know you're being funny to a degree but your statements do speak to the underlying issue, IMO, those of honesty and integrity.

Actually, I was trying for a humorous jab regarding how curious I think it is that this issue seems to bother a few folks this much.

For the record, I have not sneaked an extra person into a Disney resort (haven't needed to thanks to Dixie Landings and GC allowing 5, and now DVC). Congrats on the 5th anniversary of fighting the good fight, good luck on the next 5 years.

 

[dmoore22]

Actually, I was trying for a humorous jab regarding how curious I think it is that this issue seems to bother a few folks this much.

For the record, I have not sneaked an extra person into a Disney resort (haven't needed to thanks to Dixie Landings and GC allowing 5, and now DVC). Congrats on the 5th anniversary of fighting the good fight, good luck on the next 5 years.

I appreciate your humor -- I get it!!!! Occasionally I have my serious moments but, generally, I feel life is but a joke and my mission is to find the punch line.

 

[Dean]

Actually, I was trying for a humorous jab regarding how curious I think it is that this issue seems to bother a few folks this much.

For the record, I have not sneaked an extra person into a Disney resort (haven't needed to thanks to Dixie Landings and GC allowing 5, and now DVC). Congrats on the 5th anniversary of fighting the good fight, good luck on the next 5 years.

To me this is first and foremost a philosophical issue, one of integrity or lack of. That is my main focus when it comes to occupancy. Plus this is NOT a "crime" without a victim as some would like to think.

 

[rabit]

i am not promoting over occupancy but the fact that sometimes sleeping arrangements can be awkward ,next year i and my wife are sharing a studio with my sister and my wifes 15 year old nephew .to some of the participents on this thread this would be a calamity on a par with the ending of democracy

 

[Dean]

i am not promoting over occupancy but the fact that sometimes sleeping arrangements can be awkward ,next year i and my wife are sharing a studio with my sister and my wifes 15 year old nephew .to some of the participents on this thread this would be a calamity on a par with the ending of democracy

It would be technically legal but it's nuts. Why not get a larger unit or two studios? Or stay off property if that's the only way one can afford it. That certainly doesn't sound like a vacation to me. However, while studios can sleep 4, they are not intended to so so for such a situation as yours.

 

[bpmorley]

It would be technically legal but it's nuts. Why not get a larger unit or two studios? Or stay off property if that's the only way one can afford it. That certainly doesn't sound like a vacation to me. However, while studios can sleep 4, they are not intended to so so for such a situation as yours.

It's his vacation and his points. It's not up to any of us to get involved.

 

[RLRDA]

However, while studios can sleep 4, they are not intended to so so for such a situation as yours.

If a studio sleeps 4 and this member has a total of 4 guests staying in it, what is the "situation"?

 

[BEASLYBOO]

Just a quick question, if the limit is 4 adults & 1 toddler, at the time of registration, all of the names & ages (children) must be given, correct? Can you legitemately give more names than allowable accupancy to MS?

Heaven forbid, but what if there was a situation and/or accident, how would liability be determined/affected if it involved some one in the room who was not registered and in fact considered above the occupancy limit?

 

[Doctor P]

If a studio sleeps 4 and this member has a total of 4 guests staying in it, what is the "situation"?

I'll jump in and defend Dean's comment and I am sure he will correct me if I misstate something. What Dean is saying is that nominally a studio sleeps four people, but that the appropriateness of the sleeping accommodations for any given group may not make a studio appropriate to the travel "situation" of a given party.

For example, for two couples who are extremely comfortable with each other a studio may work fine. For a family with two parents and two smaller children or two same gender older kids that don't mind sharing a bed, the studio may work fine. For a situation where you have as a part of the party two or more people who it would not be appropriate or comfortable sharing a bed, then the studio accommodations may not work to sleep that party of four or fewer guests.

 

[Dean]

It's his vacation and his points. It's not up to any of us to get involved.

I'm only stating my opinion of what was posted. I have no major problem with THEM doing it but I would not. 4 adults who are not two couples would be very crowded in such a situation. Sorry if you have an issue with me having an opinion in such a situation, if they don't want opinions, don't post the information.

While technically within the occupancy, studios are NOT designed for such a group. The only ways to accommodate such a group is either to have males and females pair up or to put an adult (from a size standpoint) on the floor. IMO, once the floor becomes involved for older teens or adults, you are over the occupancy no matter what the numbers are.

 

[CarolAnnC]

Here is a reminder for everyone:

This thread is the only place on the DIS where we allow discussion of DVC Occupancy. If this thread gets out of line, or needs to be closed, then unfortunately the topic will not have anywhere here to be discussed. So, that being said, I would very much like to see this stay above board and open for discussion.

This is not a thread for "arguments" and was not started for that purpose. Also, comments and discussions here on folks' "situations" are allowed since posting on a bulletin board does open up room for that discussion.

Beaslyboo, to answer your question, the 4 adults and one baby age 2 or under would be listed as occupants. They will not allow any more than that and will not list names of other people who may be in the room, too. They will not have KTTW cards, they will not get wristbands to go to SAB at BCV, they will not get to partake of the early/late admissions to the theme parks for resorts guests only.

Not to mention that I cannot fathom sleeping in a studio with 4 adults and one baby, never mind adding to that quota.. Yikes!

 

[dianeschlicht]

Frankly, occupancy "rules" asside, the real issue where studios concerned is the type and quality of the bedding. Most DVC studios (with the exception of OKW) have a queen sized real bed and a pull out full size sofa. Very few people other than children are used to sleeping on a full sized bed of any kind, and a sofa sleeper, while technically the same as a double sized bed is more difficult because of the quality of the mattress. I can see 3 adults in one of those where there is a full sized pull out, and even 4 adults who can sleep in pairs at OKW, but beyond that, I don't consider the studios to be appropriate for most groups that have more than 3 adults or 3 children if one is under age 2.

 

[dmoore22]

I realize the issue of maximum occupancy has come up many, many times in the decades since DVC began but, having one of my senior moments, are the rules actually written down or has this been an honor system? The Revised Home Resort Rules and Regulations issued 11/23/2009 fails to address the issue of room occupancy. A search of the DVC Members site also fails to produce occupancy guidelines. Per chance has DVC left this issue intentionally vague?

 

[CarolMN]

I realize the issue of maximum occupancy has come up many, many times in the decades since DVC began but, having one of my senior moments, are the rules actually written down or has this been an honor system? The Revised Home Resort Rules and Regulations issued 11/23/2009 fails to address the issue of room occupancy. A search of the DVC Members site also fails to produce occupancy guidelines. Per chance has DVC left this issue intentionally vague?

The occupancy rules are written in the POS (Position Offering Statement). Not sure if they are in the multi-site one or the resort specific one or both. But they are definitely specified. You would have received both documents when you purchased.

 

[dmoore22]

The occupancy rules are written in the POS (Position Offering Statement). Not sure if they are in the multi-site one or the resort specific one or both. But they are definitely specified. You would have received both documents when you purchased.

For me that's ancient history! Looks like I'm going on an archeological dig for some very old documents.

 

[bookwormde]

One thing to remember is that any POS is just what exists at one moment in time, DVC can change the vast majority of what is in it under the FL timeshare statute as long as it is done “in the best interests of the members”.

Now they should publicly post the changes, but historically in many cases this is not done.

bookwormde

 

[dmoore22]

One thing to remember is that any POS is just what exists at one moment in time, DVC can change the vast majority of what is in it under the FL timeshare statute as long as it is done “in the best interests of the members”.

Now they should publicly post the changes, but historically in many cases this is not done.

bookwormde

Perhaps not posting some changes is considered "in the best interest of the members."