Mass Shooting in WI

[PaulaSB12]

Google Sikh attacks since 9/11, according to several news reports over the years Sikhs have been attacked and killed by morons who can't tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim (not that attack on Muslims is justified either)

 

[Geoff_M]

I don't know, I'd feel much safer in a country where 95% of the population doesn't own guns, instead of where 50% of the guns WORLDWIDE are purchased even though we only have 5% of the worldwide population.

Well, then you should have been feeling safer and safer in the last 30+ years because the percentage of households that own firearms in this country has been DROPPING since the late 1970's and are now near all-time lows!

 

[Acklander]

Then move!

See? That's the beauty of America. If we don't like something we don't have to move. Just get involved. Now, telling someone who doesn't like something to move. - IMHO that's unamerican

 

[ols386]

See? That's the beauty of America. If we don't like something we don't have to move. Just get involved. Now, telling someone who doesn't like something to move. - IMHO that's unamerican

And reactive.

 

[bored]

The truth is your not safe anywhere, hence the reason my Bersa .380 is in pocket holster at all times I can legally carry it.

 

[SaraJayne]

See? That's the beauty of America. If we don't like something we don't have to move. Just get involved. Now, telling someone who doesn't like something to move. - IMHO that's unamerican

The shooter has been identified as an Army vet and a possible white supremacist.

 

[TinkerBelled]

Can I ask a sincere question? Why do you think that the Colorado shooting provoked dozens of pages of responses, and this one has provoked so little? (Or, asked another way, why did the Colorado shooting provoke so many news stories, and this one seems so overshadowed.)

Is it that this crime seems to have had a motive (a disgusting, horrible motive) and thus we feel like it's less random and thus less threatening to our daily lives? Or is it the proximity to the last mass shooting: are we simply burnt out?

This is not a blaming question--I'm just curious as to the discrepancy.

 

[Allison]

Can I ask a sincere question? Why do you think that the Colorado shooting provoked dozens of pages of responses, and this one has provoked so little? (Or, asked another way, why did the Colorado shooting provoke so many news stories, and this one seems so overshadowed.)

Is it that this crime seems to have had a motive (a disgusting, horrible motive) and thus we feel like it's less random and thus less threatening to our daily lives? Or is it the proximity to the last mass shooting: are we simply burnt out?

This is not a blaming question--I'm just curious as to the discrepancy.

I've been thinking about that too.

 

[SaraJayne]

Can I ask a sincere question? Why do you think that the Colorado shooting provoked dozens of pages of responses, and this one has provoked so little? (Or, asked another way, why did the Colorado shooting provoke so many news stories, and this one seems so overshadowed.)

Is it that this crime seems to have had a motive (a disgusting, horrible motive) and thus we feel like it's less random and thus less threatening to our daily lives? Or is it the proximity to the last mass shooting: are we simply burnt out?

This is not a blaming question--I'm just curious as to the discrepancy.

This will be an unpopular answer, but IMO, it's because the victims were neither Caucasian nor christian.

 

[Acklander]

Can I ask a sincere question? Why do you think that the Colorado shooting provoked dozens of pages of responses, and this one has provoked so little? (Or, asked another way, why did the Colorado shooting provoke so many news stories, and this one seems so overshadowed.)

Is it that this crime seems to have had a motive (a disgusting, horrible motive) and thus we feel like it's less random and thus less threatening to our daily lives? Or is it the proximity to the last mass shooting: are we simply burnt out?

This is not a blaming question--I'm just curious as to the discrepancy.

I think it's because more people can picture themselves at the opening to a movie than can picture themselves sitting in a temple.

Either way, it's time to stop the hate, and stop rewarding those who encourage hate. Nothing good comes of it.

 

[Andtototoo]

This will be an unpopular answer, but IMO, it's because the victims were neither Caucasian nor christian.

Bingo. It's a variation of the "Missing White Woman Syndrome."

I'd also venture that since we tend to pay more attention to and care more about people who seem similar to us, more people can imagine themselves being in a movie theater than being in a house of worship and more people can imagine themselves in a Christian church than a Sikh temple. Whenever people are "other" than us, we have less interest in them and ultimately value them less. (Hence why the murder of prostitutes would get far less coverage than the murder of college students, why Natalee Holloway or Laci Peterson's disappearance got more coverage than LaToyia Figueroa. The coverage follows what our society values.)

 

[FireDancer]

Can I ask a sincere question? Why do you think that the Colorado shooting provoked dozens of pages of responses, and this one has provoked so little? (Or, asked another way, why did the Colorado shooting provoke so many news stories, and this one seems so overshadowed.)

Is it that this crime seems to have had a motive (a disgusting, horrible motive) and thus we feel like it's less random and thus less threatening to our daily lives? Or is it the proximity to the last mass shooting: are we simply burnt out?

This is not a blaming question--I'm just curious as to the discrepancy.

I think it is two fold. First, almost all of us have been in a movie theater so we relate. I have never and almost certainly will never be in a Sikh Temple so it doesn't hit as close to home. Second, the shooter is dead. One of the big things that push the Colorado story is that the shooter was captured and there are court hearings which extend the story.

I've heard the Wisconsin shooter refereed to as a terrorist. I personally don't consider either him or the Colorado shooter a terrorist. I consider them mass-murderers. Personally, for me to consider anyone a terrorist, there has to be the fear factor of it being part of an ongoing plot. Neither attack has me worried about further attacks which is where the terror in terrorist comes from. That is just my opinion though.

 

[MoonFaerie]

Bingo. It's a variation of the "Missing White Woman Syndrome."

I'd also venture that since we tend to pay more attention to and care more about people who seem similar to us, more people can imagine themselves being in a movie theater than being in a house of worship and more people can imagine themselves in a Christian church than a Sikh temple. Whenever people are "other" than us, we have less interest in them and ultimately value them less. (Hence why the murder of prostitutes would get far less coverage than the murder of college students, why Natalee Holloway's disappearance got more coverage than LaToyia Figueroa. The coverage follows what our society values.)

I agree. I just did a search, and it looks like the church shooting that occurred here in Knoxville several years ago got a whopping 1 reply, and that was a shooting that occurred during a children's performance.

It's really such a terrible loop - we don't care as much about people that are different than us, but so many of these sort of things motivated by the differentness.

 

[angwill]

Weird and I responded to this shooting but never even opened the one about the Colorado shooting and I am a caucasian who never has been in a temple of any kind. It is weird but this shooting made me madder and that is because I instantly saw it as a hate crime where in Colorado I instatantly saw it as some insane mass murderer who was sick in the head. I also think another difference is that this killer is dead and in Colorado we have to live through the trial so his case will drag on in the news. Also it is one right after another who wants to drag on such awful information to a second shooting. PS. I didn't even know there was a shooting in Knoxville several years ago. Maybe it didn't get as much tv time?

 

[NHdisneylover]

I think it is two fold. First, almost all of us have been in a movie theater so we relate. I have never and almost certainly will never be in a Sikh Temple so it doesn't hit as close to home. Second, the shooter is dead. One of the big things that push the Colorado story is that the shooter was captured and there are court hearings which extend the story.

I've heard the Wisconsin shooter refereed to as a terrorist. I personally don't consider either him or the Colorado shooter a terrorist. I consider them mass-murderers. Personally, for me to consider anyone a terrorist, there has to be the fear factor of it being part of an ongoing plot. Neither attack has me worried about further attacks which is where the terror in terrorist comes from. That is just my opinion though.

I consider a terrorist anyone who tries to kill large numbers of people and is motivated by political or religious reasons. So, if it turns out that this person was, as suspected, was motivated by wanting to get rid of a religion/ethnicity he disapproved of (even if he messed up on which one) that would be terrorism by the standard definition.

 

[TinkerBelled]

I think that if I were a Sikh, or really anyone of Middle Eastern or Southern/Western Asian origin (because it seems like these groups were just entirely conflated by the shooter), I think I would be terrified.