Mass Shooting at Orlando Club

Got infuriated today because I saw my first conspiracy theory post. I will never understand how these idiots can say this didn't really happen. People are dead and I know people personally who lost someone. I just never will understand why this nuts can believe it didn't happen.

I think someone put it best when they said the internet makes it where you don't just deal your own crazy uncle at Thanksgiving you have to deal with everyones crazy uncle every day.
 
Got infuriated today because I saw my first conspiracy theory post. I will never understand how these idiots can say this didn't really happen. People are dead and I know people personally who lost someone. I just never will understand why this nuts can believe it didn't happen.

I think someone put it best when they said the internet makes it where you don't just deal your own crazy uncle at Thanksgiving you have to deal with everyones crazy uncle every day.

I'm paraphrasing very loosely but I saw something where it was 'proven' that the Orlando shooting and the thwarted LA (somewhere in CA) shooters were linked and in cahoots. The crazy uncle analogy is perfect...
 
I'm paraphrasing very loosely but I saw something where it was 'proven' that the Orlando shooting and the thwarted LA (somewhere in CA) shooters were linked and in cahoots. The crazy uncle analogy is perfect...

I could entertain the notion these two might have been in cahoots if presented with some evidence. To me the crazy ones are those claiming it didn't even happen.
 

Is it true the wife is missing?


I haven't been watching the news closely but do think I heard them say last night that she "took off". I never did hear any more just what they meant by that.
 
Based on the statements by OneBlood, there is still a ban on gay men donating. It was very upsetting here in Orlando on Sunday with that ban and the tragedy that happened.
Only lifted for celibate gay men. If you are Gay or Bi and a man and have sex with a man you can not donate until you have been celibate or only with women for a year. Doesn't matter if you are married monogamous man or even just monogamous or taking anti-virals. So basically gay and bi men are still banned.
my error the ban....main info I was posting was that the shooter did indeed, donate. The post of the defined separation of the deceased from him is what brought it to mind.
 
No, because McVeigh was a politically-motivated domestic terrorist, not a religious terrorist. He was a right-wing, survivalist, white supremacist -- not a religious zealot. He bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City on the second anniversary of the Waco Branch Davidian siege because of his hatred of the US government, not any religious philosophy however twisted. No, because those religiously-motivated terrorist murders WERE publically condemned by hundreds, probably thousands, of clergy of many faiths. Even ministers who strongly disagree with abortion condemned those murders. There was no need to demand anything from responsible religious leaders of any faith.

You must not have much interaction with the Muslim/Arabic community.

Muslim community and religious leaders have been condemning and disavowing terrorist acts since, at the very least 9-11. The problem is no one is listening. Imams and community leaders have repeatedly attempted to reach out and to educate the community, especially, post 9-11 about Islam. Again, no one is listening. People want to blame Islam.

The difference is that when the Westboro nutters pull their insanity no one expects the Baptist church, in general, to apologize for them. Same with people who blow up abortion clinics. Or the Klan who claim to be Christians. Everyone understands that these are extremists, and they don't hold the religion, as a whole, responsible.

There is racism and xenophobia involved in this. The issue is that a good majority of Muslims are brown and black people who have emigrated if not in the immediate, but in the past one or 2 generations to this country. Christians of all sects, and Jews are considered "American" because the majority of them are white and appear typically "American."


ISIL is much like any other hate group. They reach out to misfits. Those who feel disenfranchised. They look for people who feel ostracized from their community and offer them a place to "belong." A place where they fit in.

Thank you, Magpie. Muslims are "us" they are American. They may practice a religion that is different from yours, that you may not know or understand, but they are American.

The problem with the present anti Muslim or suspicion of all Muslims attitude is that is pushes young, disenfranchised, troubled, conflicted young men into the arms of these radical groups. Think to how hate groups were formed. The Klan, the Nazis, the Taliban. people were made to feel like they were hated by a certain group, that a certain group wanted to ruin their culture, their way of life. This is what ISIL does. They preach to these young Muslim men that America hates them. They they want to take away their religion and their customs. They want to make it so they can't get jobs or an education.

Islam is a religion of peace. Terrorist acts are not mainstream Muslim teaching, especially during Ramadan, which is supposed to be a period of kindness, introspection, and charity.
 
I must admit, I love residing in the Maldives, an Islamic country and the people there are delightful! Accommodating, polite, couldn't do more to help you and would go the extra mile every step of the way :) Clearly their religion agreed with them ;)
 
For those who haven't seen the news, two things at Pulse victim funerals:
  • Two Osceola County sheriff's deputies were injured by a motorist who got impatient with a funeral procession and forced her way through. She struck the two motorcycle officers escorting the procession. One deputy is in "critical, but stable" condition; the other is stable. She has been charged -- not sure of the charges, hopefully several felonies.
  • The Westboro haters did show up at one funeral. They were screened from view by the Orlando Shakespeare Theater, who constructed huge "Angel Wings" and paraded in front of the idiots, blocking view of their "protest." Gotta love the contrast!
 
Who ever thought of the Angel Wings was freaking brilliant!

Members-of-the-theatrical-community-make-Angel-Wings-in-support-of-the-Orlando-victims.jpg
 
They are releasing the transcripts soon of the terrorist's conversation with law enforcement during the massacre.
 
They are releasing the transcripts soon of the terrorist's conversation with law enforcement during the massacre.
Right, heavily redacted transcripts -- with lots of controversy about why certain things are being redacted.

There are plenty of good reasons to leave certain things out (protecting sources of information, police tactics, negotiation strategies, etc.), but there will be a LOT of complaints that the released versions were heavily "spun" for political reasons.
 
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ting-gay-evidence-lacking-20160623-story.html


So the FBI searched computers of both the shooter and the guys who claimed he was with them and says theres no evidence he was on gay apps or had a secret gay life interacting with any of those leads. They so far think the leads they've dealt with are confusing him for others they've seen or are flat out not credible leads...

Perhaps this false narrative of him being gay is nothing substantiated...there has been no evidence to support any of it.
 
But boy is it a better narrative than the real story.

Exactly.

They hacked his phone and computers and nothing - no links back to any of the people supposedly who were romantically linked to him either...there is 0 evidence.
 
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ting-gay-evidence-lacking-20160623-story.html


So the FBI searched computers of both the shooter and the guys who claimed he was with them and says theres no evidence he was on gay apps or had a secret gay life interacting with any of those leads. They so far think the leads they've dealt with are confusing him for others they've seen or are flat out not credible leads...

Perhaps this false narrative of him being gay is nothing substantiated...there has been no evidence to support any of it.
I heard this on the news the other day, too.
 




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