Mask Confusion Already

[loves to dive]

I'm in Georgia and the state required it for a very short time but local governments tried to require it after the state dropped it. The state said, nope you can't do that. So then local towns and cities could/did write their own rules. The one in the town I work in was so wishy washy it was easy for a business to get around it if they wanted. Some required them, some required them but weren't real harsh on enforcing it, some didn't require them. My son manages a grocery store and they did not require them. His employees could wear them if they wanted and they did put the plexiglass in front of the cashiers and service desk. He never wore one except for the one day the city tried to require it. He wears one in any establishment that does require it. Our Kroger had a sign on the door saying they required it and during the first few weeks they did have someone out front enforcing it but they got lax after that. Most people wore one in the rural Kroger we go to but in the city you would often see the college kids without one.

Hubby and I have been fully shoted up but we will wear one if a business requires it and we have no problem doing it for the short time we are in the place. We have never worn them outside but tried to keep a good distance from our neighbors when talking to them. We also wear shoes and shirts when required.

 

[OhBother1984]

When I went on AMC's site to order Cruella tickets they have changed their banner to say "masks are still requiered regardless of vaccination status or local or state regulations". How much will they enforce that we'll see.

The AMCs in my area don't enforce it as is, especially once people are in their seats. But think about it , that would not go over well if a worker is telling people through out a movie that they aren't eating to put it back on.....way to drive business away.

 

[Mango7100]

There will always be outliers. Yes, it's terrible for them and their families and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But, it's illogical to say "Look at this one kid over here! See what happened to him! We still need to take extended steps to make sure nothing like this happens to anyone else!"

It’s done all the time. We all had to take our shoes off at airports because of one guy. Peloton recalled exercise equipment because of one fatality. Pretty much any recall on consumer products. Tylenol in the 80s. And on and on...

 

[BrianL]

The AMCs in my area don't enforce it as is, especially once people are in their seats. But think about it , that would not go over well if a worker is telling people through out a movie that they aren't eating to put it back on.....way to drive business away.

Our theaters have been requiring masks until you are in your seat, then you could remove it regardless of if you are eating or not. They were distancing seats too and all seats are pre-selected. I've only been to one movie under these conditions, but it was a good experience and reasonably empty anyway.

 

[sam_gordon]

It’s done all the time. We all had to take our shoes off at airports because of one guy. Peloton recalled exercise equipment because of one fatality. Pretty much any recall on consumer products. Tylenol in the 80s. And on and on...

Recalls (including Tylenol) are generally done because they (business or government) feel more people will potentially be affected. We still allow people to ride in cars despite tens of thousands being killed every year.

 

[Towncrier]

I think people are empowered by the CDC saying it is no longer necessary and will ignore state mandates.

Ironic that some people pick Federal rules over State rules when it fits their agenda. The use of marijuana is still against Federal law. Individual states have chosen to go against the Federal government in this case. You can't have it both ways. And if a business (or city or county or state) decided against following current CDC guidelines, then that is their prerogative.

 

[heathere3]

CDC says wear masks. People start an uproar that they don’t want to wear masks and others say “follow the science. The CDC says so.”

CDC says masks not required. People start getting happy and others say “it’s too soon.”

What happened to following the science?

The issue is one of trust. It's safe for vaccinated people to go around without masks, but not safe for unvaccinated people, particularly including children too young to be vaccinated. I can't speak for others, but I've seen so much refusal to wear masks here before the vaccine was widely available that I do NOT trust that Joe Q Public going around maskless is actually fully vaccinated and therefore not a risk to my kid. And yes, my kid will still be wearing a mask, but that only provides SOME protection. Masking by all provides a lot more. And lets face it, kid mask compliance isn't perfect, they're little kids.

 

[Mango7100]

Recalls (including Tylenol) are generally done because they (business or government) feel more people will potentially be affected. We still allow people to ride in cars despite tens of thousands being killed every year.

And you said it’s illogical to take extended steps to prevent something happening to any other person because it happened to one...which is exactly what recalls and safety measures like airport screening do. Recalls do happen because more people may be affected...just like more people may be affected by COViD. So are recalls illogical too? Is security screening illogical?

I am just pointing out that measures are taken constantly to prevent things from happening to others again, some small risks and some bigger risks.

 

[Robbydj13]

The issue is one of trust. It's safe for vaccinated people to go around without masks, but not safe for unvaccinated people, particularly including children too young to be vaccinated. I can't speak for others, but I've seen so much refusal to wear masks here before the vaccine was widely available that I do NOT trust that Joe Q Public going around maskless is actually fully vaccinated and therefore not a risk to my kid. And yes, my kid will still be wearing a mask, but that only provides SOME protection. Masking by all provides a lot more. And lets face it, kid mask compliance isn't perfect, they're little kids.

I think if an individual does not feel comfortable then they should do what makes them feel that way. But one persons fear should not affect the freedoms of another.

 

[olwyngdh]

If they want their rules enforced, then they need to enforce them. But most businesses are not willing to risk losing customers, especially when at a restaurant people are only going to wear them for the 10-15 feet of walking from the door to the table before they take them off at the table anyway.

There is also the issue of the assaults and in at least one case the murder of an employee who tried to enforce mask rules.

 

[Kestryl]

My workplace (which is science-driven, as in we do research and work in science) is pushing 80% vaccinated. All voluntary, too. we just received an email this morning that masks are still required, though guidance may be changing soon.

Their biggest concern, which they continually bring up, is the low vaccine rate of the surrounding area. At best, 40% have one shot. That’s it. So if I go out and about and people are actually following new CDC guidelines, at least 60% of people should be wearing masks. I know that’s not the case.

I will continue to support businesses that require masks when more than half of the population still has not been vaccinated. I will not support businesses who previously did not enforce mask wearing and/or blatantly went against health and safety standards. They are ok my permanent “do not patronize” list.

 

[wenrob]

Recalls (including Tylenol) are generally done because they (business or government) feel more people will potentially be affected. We still allow people to ride in cars despite tens of thousands being killed every year.

We have seatbelts, airbags, car seats, speed limits and traffic laws that include measures against reckless and drunk driving, texting and driving etc. It’s a risk to get in a vehicle but we try to mitigate it the best we can to protect ourselves and others.

 

[leahgoogle]

It’s done all the time. We all had to take our shoes off at airports because of one guy. Peloton recalled exercise equipment because of one fatality. Pretty much any recall on consumer products. Tylenol in the 80s. And on and on...

Well, there have been deaths related to the vaccines too.

 

[Robbydj13]

There is also the issue of the assaults and in at least one case the murder of an employee who tried to enforce mask rules.

And those people are crazy to assault someone over that. Doesn't change the fact that it has to be enforced by someone

 

[rwdavis2]

If they want their rules enforced, then they need to enforce them. But most businesses are not willing to risk losing customers, especially when at a restaurant people are only going to wear them for the 10-15 feet of walking from the door to the table before they take them off at the table anyway.

Although I follow a restaurant's requirement I never thought it made any sense to wear a mask from the door to a table then take it off.

 

[Mango7100]

My workplace (which is science-driven, as in we do research and work in science) is pushing 80% vaccinated. All voluntary, too. we just received an email this morning that masks are still required, though guidance may be changing soon.

Their biggest concern, which they continually bring up, is the low vaccine rate of the surrounding area. At best, 40% have one shot. That’s it. So if I go out and about and people are actually following new CDC guidelines, at least 60% of people should be wearing masks. I know that’s not the case.

I will continue to support businesses that require masks when more than half of the population still has not been vaccinated. I will not support businesses who previously did not enforce mask wearing and/or blatantly went against health and safety standards. They are ok my permanent “do not patronize” list.

We have already figured out we live in the same area and DH works at the same facility and I 100% agree.

 

[Kestryl]

We have already figured out we live in the same area and DH works at the same facility and I 100% agree.

*Cue “It’s a Small World” *

 

[Mango7100]

Well, there have been deaths related to the vaccines too.

Absolutely. Never said there wasn’t. Hence the J and J reevaluation

 

[olwyngdh]

100% I always choose not to do business at those requiring masks, and will always choose to spend my money at those who do not require it.

But it is also up to the business to enforce their own "posted rules".

I am the opposite. I will not do business with anyone who doesn't respect public health. I won't eat at a restaurant that allows barefoot and shirtless people. Masks are no different since we do not have a way of knowing whether someone is vaccinated or not and people are terrified of the idea of proof of vaccination.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Went to a local diner this morning. The sign is still up saying masks are required to enter the restaurant.

Of course, half the people walking in were not wearing masks because "we are vaccinated". The hostess had a look of bewilderment in her eyes. I felt sorry for her.

I think we need to continue to respect the requests of the local businesses.

Not that I disagree that we need to respect the rules of the establishment when we go into a business, but it sounds to me like this particular business was wishy washy on enforcing its rules. And therein lies the rub. The business is going to have to either enforce masks for all or hope people are telling the truth. The same Karens that caused a scene and falsely claimed lung conditions for 20 minutes at the top of their lungs will now falsely claim they are vaccinated at the top of their lungs. It has already happened here with the Karen ending up trespassed and arrested.