Marvel Land

babybartione

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With all these talks about an Avatarland (Bad Idea) and a Star Wars Land (Should be built and added on behind Star Tours), I want to know where the Marvel Land is. Marvel has made more money for Disney and they own the movie rights to make more.

Smaller rides of Thor, Ironman, Captain America, Hulk and a large ride for 48"+ for the Avengers Initiative. The rides would end in the gift shops based upon where the character come from (Asgard, Malibu, New York, etc.) Can be attached to Hollywood Studios.
 
With all these talks about an Avatarland (Bad Idea) and a Star Wars Land (Should be built and added on behind Star Tours), I want to know where the Marvel Land is. Marvel has made more money for Disney and they own the movie rights to make more.

Smaller rides of Thor, Ironman, Captain America, Hulk and a large ride for 48"+ for the Avengers Initiative. The rides would end in the gift shops based upon where the character come from (Asgard, Malibu, New York, etc.) Can be attached to Hollywood Studios.

Marvel cant be built at WDW
 
Universal owns the contract for marvel in their Orlando theme parks disney could do something at Disneyland or over seas but your not going to see any marvel anything in any disney Orlando theme park.
 

From what I read, Universal has ride rights for Marvel in the southeast US. Disney is free to build in California however and I believe there is already a Marvel coaster in the works in Hong Kong.

Kind of silly IMO You think when a company buys something they would be able to buy ride rights with it. I know it doesn't work that way but it's odd that it doesn't. Universal will get to keep making a ton of money off of something Disney now owns, so ironic.
 
Actually, from the reading I've done on the subject, Universal has the rights to the characters they presently use. Disney can use any other character.
 
And Disney will receive millions in rights fees from Universal.

Is that how it works? I honestly don't know the full details, I just know for sure Disney can't do Marvel rides in Florida.

Do we know if there is anyone Disney could take the rights away or is there a contract or a deal forever? I'm just wondering because a lot of people on the Dis lately have been talking about how Disney needs to compete more with Universal and I feel like if Disney really could/had to they could take the Marvel rides away from Universal. That would have to be a huge kill even with HP still intact there, Universal really built their reputation on super heroes original if I am right and if Disney took that away from them, well then wow.

Again, it probably isn't possible, I am just really curious about this now. I loved the Avengers and was thinking it would be cool if WDW could do rides with that but I know they can't.
 
Actually, from the reading I've done on the subject, Universal has the rights to the characters they presently use. Disney can use any other character.

I thought they contract made reference to "character families" or something to that effect. My interpretation was that since they have the "X-Men" in Islands of Adventure, basically everything X-Men was off limits...not just the specific characters IOA uses.

Again from my past reading of the public docs, it seemed that specific characters were named in some separate addendum which isn't publicly available.

And Disney will receive millions in rights fees from Universal.

Yup.

Is that how it works? I honestly don't know the full details, I just know for sure Disney can't do Marvel rides in Florida.

Do we know if there is anyone Disney could take the rights away or is there a contract or a deal forever? I'm just wondering because a lot of people on the Dis lately have been talking about how Disney needs to compete more with Universal and I feel like if Disney really could/had to they could take the Marvel rides away from Universal. That would have to be a huge kill even with HP still intact there, Universal really built their reputation on super heroes original if I am right and if Disney took that away from them, well then wow.

Again, it probably isn't possible, I am just really curious about this now. I loved the Avengers and was thinking it would be cool if WDW could do rides with that but I know they can't.

Common thinking is that the agreement exists in perpetuity...in other words, as long as Universal keeps paying the licensing fees.

Financial terms aren't posted publicly so there could be escalator clauses involved which may someday become unwieldy. However, the agreement was reached around 1999 when Marvel wasn't in the greatest of financial health. It's doubtful that they held Universal's proverbial feet to the fire.

One interesting clause basically states that Universal cannot dramatically alter Super Hero Island without Marvel's approval...which now means Disney's approval. So it's certainly conceivable for Disney to prohibit any new attraction construction, and the land eventually becomes stale. However it could take 20-30 years (or more) before US really feels compelled to replace.

There are also minimum standards of upkeep, marketing guidelines (how characters can be used), etc. which basically give Disney the right to involve itself in IOA operations. Disney COULD be very rigid in its monitoring of those standards, and use any slip-up as an excuse to wrest the rights away. Or US could get tired of having to deal with a competitor on such an intimate level.

But in the meantime, Disney earns licensing and merchandise revenue off of the Marvel characters without having to lift a single shovel of dirt. And they've got 8 other theme parks, 4 cruise ships and other destinations where Marvel characters can be used. (Only WDW is excluded.) There have even been rumors that Disney may eventually build a third park in Anaheim which is largely themed around Marvel.
 
I thought they contract made reference to "character families" or something to that effect. My interpretation was that since they have the "X-Men" in Islands of Adventure, basically everything X-Men was off limits...not just the specific characters IOA uses.

Again from my past reading of the public docs, it seemed that specific characters were named in some separate addendum which isn't publicly available.



Yup.



Common thinking is that the agreement exists in perpetuity...in other words, as long as Universal keeps paying the licensing fees.

Financial terms aren't posted publicly so there could be escalator clauses involved which may someday become unwieldy. However, the agreement was reached around 1999 when Marvel wasn't in the greatest of financial health. It's doubtful that they held Universal's proverbial feet to the fire.

One interesting clause basically states that Universal cannot dramatically alter Super Hero Island without Marvel's approval...which now means Disney's approval. So it's certainly conceivable for Disney to prohibit any new attraction construction, and the land eventually becomes stale. However it could take 20-30 years (or more) before US really feels compelled to replace.

There are also minimum standards of upkeep, marketing guidelines (how characters can be used), etc. which basically give Disney the right to involve itself in IOA operations. Disney COULD be very rigid in its monitoring of those standards, and use any slip-up as an excuse to wrest the rights away. Or US could get tired of having to deal with a competitor on such an intimate level.

But in the meantime, Disney earns licensing and merchandise revenue off of the Marvel characters without having to lift a single shovel of dirt. And they've got 8 other theme parks, 4 cruise ships and other destinations where Marvel characters can be used. (Only WDW is excluded.) There have even been rumors that Disney may eventually build a third park in Anaheim which is largely themed around Marvel.

Very interesting.

I guess it may be interesting to watch going forward what will happen, although it looks like nothing will happen anytime soon.
 
Actually, from the reading I've done on the subject, Universal has the rights to the characters they presently use. Disney can use any other character.

And their team affiliations which is the problem... So having Hulk takes the Avengers out of play, Storm takes Xmen out, Doc Doom and Spider-Man take Fantastic Four out of play, plus I think Spider-Man was an Avenger at one point. With all the cross over, it's easy to take the major teams out of play or tie it up in litigation for years.

Now interesting enough, I don't think any universal Marvel character has ties to Guardians of the galaxy
 
And their team affiliations which is the problem... So having Hulk takes the Avengers out of play, Storm takes Xmen out, Doc Doom and Spider-Man take Fantastic Four out of play, plus I think Spider-Man was an Avenger at one point. With all the cross over, it's easy to take the major teams out of play or tie it up in litigation for years.

Now interesting enough, I don't think any universal Marvel character has ties to Guardians of the galaxy

Right, Uni has rights to any of the Marvel families they are currently using as long as they continue to use them in their parks. The contract is in perpetuity so no Marvel at WDW, really nothing in a Disney park east of the Mississippi. To see how rigid this is, note that when a monorail is wrapped to promote a Marvel film it can only run on the resort or express lines. Why, because the Epcot line enters that park and Disney cannot use the Marvel characters in an eastern park.
 
I thought they contract made reference to "character families" or something to that effect. My interpretation was that since they have the "X-Men" in Islands of Adventure, basically everything X-Men was off limits...not just the specific characters IOA uses.

Again from my past reading of the public docs, it seemed that specific characters were named in some separate addendum which isn't publicly available.



Yup.



Common thinking is that the agreement exists in perpetuity...in other words, as long as Universal keeps paying the licensing fees.

Financial terms aren't posted publicly so there could be escalator clauses involved which may someday become unwieldy. However, the agreement was reached around 1999 when Marvel wasn't in the greatest of financial health. It's doubtful that they held Universal's proverbial feet to the fire.

One interesting clause basically states that Universal cannot dramatically alter Super Hero Island without Marvel's approval...which now means Disney's approval. So it's certainly conceivable for Disney to prohibit any new attraction construction, and the land eventually becomes stale. However it could take 20-30 years (or more) before US really feels compelled to replace.

There are also minimum standards of upkeep, marketing guidelines (how characters can be used), etc. which basically give Disney the right to involve itself in IOA operations. Disney COULD be very rigid in its monitoring of those standards, and use any slip-up as an excuse to wrest the rights away. Or US could get tired of having to deal with a competitor on such an intimate level.

But in the meantime, Disney earns licensing and merchandise revenue off of the Marvel characters without having to lift a single shovel of dirt. And they've got 8 other theme parks, 4 cruise ships and other destinations where Marvel characters can be used. (Only WDW is excluded.) There have even been rumors that Disney may eventually build a third park in Anaheim which is largely themed around Marvel.

According to the contract the fee that Uni pays can only increase based on the Consumer Price Index. Considering that Marvel's value has increased dramatically faster then the CPI since the deal was made I doubt this will be a problem for Uni any time soon. Disney also gets a cut of Marvel merchandise sales.

Even if Disney was to find maintenance problems the contract says that Uni has to be given a chance to resolve the problems before the contract would go to arbitration. So Disney probably doesn't have much leverage there.

As for Uni expanding the Marvel area, thats an area that I am still not clear on after reading the contract. The contract really only talks about the initial construction of the land, not about future additions. The contract says Marvel (Disney) has a reasonable right of refusal on what is being built. It defines "reasonable" as:

"Whenever Marvel has “reasonable” rights for rejection of approval hereunder, the basic criteria to be used by Marvel may include inconsistency with (i) basic story line, (ii) the powers, (iii) basic personality traits, (iv) physical appearance (including clothing or costume), and/or (v) living habitat or environment relating to such character as portrayed in Marvel’s exploitation of such character in comic books or other products for the particular time period being depicted by MCA."

Uni did do a major upgrade on Spiderman after the Disney acquisition, so they do have some freedom to make improvements.
 
Here's what I don't understand, and there may be nothing to it. Disney has Captain America and Iron Man things on one of its cruise ships that docks in Florida. Wouldn't that technically be considered east of the Mississippi? It also makes me wonder if Disney can use Captain America in an attraction since it's only a restaurant at IOA. I've seen a rumor a few places that suggests that Disney may be considering removing the Beauty and the Beast show and theater to make way for a Captain America attraction. Deadline Hollywood gave the list of the characters that can be used by Universal and it was very specific about which characters and how they are used within the park. It suggested that Marvel has more control over the deal.:)
 
Here's what I don't understand, and there may be nothing to it. Disney has Captain America and Iron Man things on one of its cruise ships that docks in Florida. Wouldn't that technically be considered east of the Mississippi? It also makes me wonder if Disney can use Captain America in an attraction since it's only a restaurant at IOA. I've seen a rumor a few places that suggests that Disney may be considering removing the Beauty and the Beast show and theater to make way for a Captain America attraction. Deadline Hollywood gave the list of the characters that can be used by Universal and it was very specific about which characters and how they are used within the park. It suggested that Marvel has more control over the deal.:)

Ok, we'll be more specific for you, theme park east of the Mississippi specifically is where Disney can't use them. That's why the monorail can have Marvel wraps on the resort and express lines but not the Epcot line.

Since UNI uses the character at its theme park (and the restaurant is part of the park) then Disney can't use it.

The list of characters is not specific in the contract. The problem for Disney/Marvel is that it extends to the character families which broadens it almost to the entire Marvel universe. Really, just read it as Disney can't use them in WDW parks. If they could they would but the limitations on the monorails shows clearly they can't. By the way, search for the contract online, it's public material.
 
Here's what I don't understand, and there may be nothing to it. Disney has Captain America and Iron Man things on one of its cruise ships that docks in Florida. Wouldn't that technically be considered east of the Mississippi? It also makes me wonder if Disney can use Captain America in an attraction since it's only a restaurant at IOA. I've seen a rumor a few places that suggests that Disney may be considering removing the Beauty and the Beast show and theater to make way for a Captain America attraction. Deadline Hollywood gave the list of the characters that can be used by Universal and it was very specific about which characters and how they are used within the park. It suggested that Marvel has more control over the deal.:)
Disney cannot and will not be able to use any marvel character inside the the theme parks. Outside such as on the resort monorail, the cruise ships, etc, disney can use marvel characters. Disneyland already has marvel character meet and greets but you will never see that at disney unless something drastic happens in the contracts which probably won't happen. That rumor is false and I've never heard of it myself.
 
I'm glad. I don't want to see marvel comics in WDW. If they wanted to make a ride if DHS or something fine, but I don't want disney to brand away from their amazing past and present animated properties.
 
If I am correct Guardians of the Galaxy can be used in Florida since there is no representation in Uni. We will continue to see charcters that are not in Uni or part of the contract coming to wdw resort.
 
Interesting points. But where would a California themepark go? There is no room there for them to put it. I guess they could buy up property (expensive) or put it in one of the many parking lots but there really isnt much room to insert a new park there.
 
If I am correct Guardians of the Galaxy can be used in Florida since there is no representation in Uni. We will continue to see charcters that are not in Uni or part of the contract coming to wdw resort.
You will not see a marvel character in a WDW theme park period. You could see theme on a monorail only on the resort line, you could see them in a resort, or in a store outside a theme park. You will not see a marvel character that currently exists in a WDW theme park. Disney could create their own characters and out those in the theme parks tho but they would need to have a great deal of success before that happens.
 












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