Marriage Survive Cheating?

kilee

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Ugh-- well I finally got my missing puzzle piece. About one month ago I posted about dh saying he was really depressed, just not happy anymore, and he thought he wanted to end our marriage. At the time he also told me he just truly didn't know if he was still in love w/ me. He claimed at the time he knew he loved me, but didn't know if he was in love with me.

W/o making this incredibly long- dh has suffered on and off through the years (sometimes he can go 1+yrs w/o treatment) from depression. Sometimes it can get pretty severe, to the point it borders suicidal. Anyhow, right around the time he told me about ending our marriage- was one of the worst I had ever seen him. I've know dh since we were 12 yrs old- we have a lot of history together-we went to school together and through the years we dated off and on. We were always close. We were each others first for many things--- my first boyfriend, my first love, and eventually he went on to became my first kiss...and even another "first". However, we lost touch after school for a few yrs and I had a baby w/ someone else and he had a brief marriage. Then one day we bumped into each--and we began dating. Now we've been living together 10yrs and married 8yrs. So we have a lot of history- and I like to think we truly know each other better than anyone else knows us.

Now in the middle of all his unsureness- about our marriage- he told me the one thing in his life he can always remember knowing was that he's always loved me, always wanted to be with me, and now he had me and he's afraid the biggest mistake he'll make was to let me go. When he was married previously, I had just had my son-- we had ran into one another- and we spoke a few times. He wanted then to reconcile- but I couldn't he was married for pete's sake. Anyhow, in the end we didn't talk for 2 more yrs- and when I ran into him the next time he was divorced. Thats when our relationship started.

We've been through a lot of ups and downs and while things weren't always good-- we've always made it through- and I thought our marriage was incredibly strong. We've been through financial rock-bottom (bankruptcy), infertility, and a severe medical crisis. Along w/ depression.

I was in complete shock when he told me he might want to "leave". I never seen it coming. Things weren't great, but I figured it was just a phase and it would work itself out. Also, I will mention, what I never mentioned before. We've had some "physical" issues. There hasn't been a spark in a long time- and he has a few physical/medical issues w/ the intimate area too. I just assumed after this many years- there can't be a spark. Intimate time became very planned and routine and scarce.

Now, dh and I talked more openly and I truly think we bared our souls that week he told me he didn't know if he was in love w/ me. In the end we decided he was going to take a leave from work to come home. This was so we could work on our marriage, our physical relationship, and he could get back on regular treatment for his depression. Which I wanted to blame all our problems on his depression.

Things have been going great-- dh has been on his meds- and talking w/ his doctor. He says he's learning to deal w/ the fact he needs medication in the "physical aspect" and that he's not less of a man for it. He's working through a lot of things.

We've been talking a lot too---and slowly rebuidling anything we've neglected, including each other. Heck there has even been some spark- and I've been catching my dh innocently flirting w/ me which he hasn't done in a long, long time. Things were really improving. They were a lot like before he took the job out of town (I'm starting to think the biggest mistake ever).

The whole job out of town thing was only supposed to be for 6months. It was great money- and we were going to use it to get out of a huge hole. Only we got really dependent on the really good money- and I kept telling him there was no way he could leave. He says he started resenting that--- he felt obligated to stay but he hated being gone and missing everything. He didn't understand why I couldn't go back to work FT so he could find a job at home-which would pay less- but then we'd be together. I didn't know he had these feelings. That being said, his leave from work has turned into termination-- he no longer works out of town. Which is wonderful. We've figured in the last 2 yrs- we've only spent about 45-50 days together. That equals 6 wks out of 2 yrs. No wonder we were growing apart alittle bit.

Anyway, things really weren't bad---until right after the holiday's. He had been a bit touchy in early fall-but seemed to straighten out--but after the holiday's he got really depressed acting--almost mean- as he was angry all the time.

So, on Monday I go to work-things are great---I call at lunch--things are great. I come home early-he's in a funk. Something is not right. We go around and around for about 2 hrs of me periodically asking--are you okay, what's wrong- and me getting forced smiles and "nothing" as an answer. Only I knew something was wrong---and I knew he wanted to talk--but was unsure. I just knew. So, after dinner I kind of trapped him at the table. I started asking point blank questions-- you know is it this, is it that...I kept getting no's. I was getting really frustrated--and finally I asked---do you know what it is? He says yes--no I'm mad and sad--so I told him- "you know what it is, but you don't want to tell me, how is that supposed to make me feel any better.....so tell me this, is it all going to be okay?" he looks up at me w/ fear I've only seen once before in his eyes (when he was critcally ill in the ICU and they truly didn't know if he would make it) and says he doesn't know. My heart sank-- I know this man--and I know something is terribly wrong. My gut knew right away...right away....I've only ever asked him maybe twice before, and it was always casual conversation, but this time I had to ask- and I already knew--I asked if he had cheated on me. He barely shook his head yes. I am usually a crier---I was in such shock I couldn't even cry. Somehow, it just all made sense now--well the whole I think we might need to end this marriage made sense.

**(I do finish about 3 posts below)
 
Im sooo sorry! Boy its been a bad month for marriages around here on the Dis hasnt it??!!

I have no words of wisdom, but I have two close friends whose husband's cheated and both were able to work it out. I know not everyone can, but some can. Good luck!
Hugs to you. :hug:
 
Wow, Kilee, I remember your posts from about a month ago, but I suspected more depression related issues than this. Was it a casual thing, or an on-going, still going on thing?
 

So, turns out that he had a "one night stand" if you will w/ a waitress from one of the places he frequented a lot. Probably 2-4 times a week. When he first started he talked about this diner all the time. I remember asking him once way back when he first started-- should I be jealous or worried about these girls. It was more of a joke- he said No.

I honestly don't think there was anything to worry about at the time. Anyhow, he said over time they just started kind of innocently flirting. He said it was innocent. Then he said over a few weeks there it got a bit more involved and she was showing a lot of interest in him. He said nothing ever happened to that point, but she was making it known that it could if he wanted it to. Funny thing she's married w/ kids- and she's had numerous affairs before w/ other workers from dh's company. He used to tell me about them. He said one night it just went too far and that's all he'll say. He says he's not going into details- and honestly I don't want him too. He swears up and down it was only once----and for some stupid reason I do believe him. Now, it seems to be this all happened within the week before his sudden revelations about ending our marriage---kind of all makes sense now. He says he so sorry, he says he just couldn't keep the guilt inside no more, that it was killing him. That he truly wants our marriage to work and that the only reason he told me was because he wants everything out there was no secrets later on. He says since that night he hasn't seen her or spoken to her. Well, she's out of town so since he's come home there is no way he seen her, but he claims that even over those last 10 days-- he didn't go there--just so he could avoid her. He says it was all the worst mistake he's ever made. I just don't know. We did go see a counselor twice when he came home, we did some booklets about our marriage and such- and we acutally weren't scheduled to go back. She thought we were on a good path and said to just come back if we needed too. We had opened up the path of communication full speed- and it was working. Ugh---I just don't know. I think we can still continue to work on everything. I do believe him---but am I just being a doormat, a fool????? I am more angry, upset, and confused than I've ever been.
I do love him, but I do think he's never done this before. I am not just some gulible person either- I am a well educated, succesful women. I just think that the trust is broken-but that if he continues to work on his personal depression problems- we can work on this and in the end it can work? Or am I just setting myself up? Am I fool to believe him? He's totally broken my trust, but I still feel it can be repaired in time. However, can a marriage actually make it through a spouse cheating???
 
:grouphug: First off, hugs and tears for you during what will doubtless be some really dark days ahead.

Can a marriage survive infidelity?

Yes.

But that depends on many factors, including whether it is really over, whether you can forgive him, and whether you can both commit to counseling and some very, very hard conversations and honesty.

There will be people who will automatically say get rid of him, no going back, no healing there.

There will be others who suggest with time, counseling, and real committment, the marriage can grow stronger than it ever has been.

Only you can decide for yourself which road you want to face. And, of course, only your husband can choose whether to walk the same road or a different one from this point forward.

Prayers offered up for you and him, regardless. :grouphug:
 
I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this, just when things were starting to go well! :hug:

To answer your question: yes, marriages can survive cheating. The fact that your husband was honest with you is a good start, even though it might be hard for you to think of it that way right now. If he were lying about it and hiding it, that would most likely mean that he planned to keep cheating. Your DH came clean with you, so I think that's a good sign.

Keep your chin up and don't beat yourself up over this wondering what's wrong with you, was it something you did, etc. Hang in there. :hug:
 
I'm sorry Kilee. Did he say how long it's been going on, or it it was just a brief thing? Do you want to try and work things out? That's a really tough situation I can't imagine myself being in. Big hugs to you, and I hope you're able to work things out.
 
I am really sorry about your relationship....maybe you should see a counselor for yourself.
 
Wow! I'm so sorry! :hug:

I've never been in this situation, but my policy has always been "if he cheats, I'm gone, no second chances". I've told every guy I've ever been with that upfront, too, so it's not like they haven't been warned!

That said, in your circumstance, I just don't know. With his history of depresion, it makes the situation much more complicated. Mental illness doesn't excuse bad behavior of course, but it does put a differant perspective on things.

That said, this part of your post jumped out at me:

When he was married previously, I had just had my son-- we had ran into one another- and we spoke a few times. He wanted then to reconcile- but I couldn't he was married for pete's sake.

So, he wanted to have an affair with YOU when he was still married to his first wife? To me, this shows a pattern of infidelity. On balance, if I was in your shoes, I don't know if I could forgive and move on. But everyone is differant, only you can decide what is right for you and your family.

All I can say is don't do anything rashly, really think things through, and I think it goes without saying you both need marriage counseling, pronto!

I really hope things work out for you! :hug:
 
Hugs to you right now.:hug:

I don't think this is a decision you can make right away. You need time to realize what has happened, and then to see what move is the right one..

Do you want the marriage to work? Does he? Counselling is the first step, I would think.

Dh and I have had issues, not cheating, but other issues, and I had to learn to rebuild that trust, and even now 3 years later, it is wobbly. He has learned that HE and only HE has to be the one to show me his faithfulness. We love each other dearly, as it sounds you both do. I was not ready to throw away my marriage, but if I had to, it would have been done..I took time, counselling, and him to show me HE wanted to change..

Good luck to you..May you make the right decision:hug:
 
Sorry, that was getting so long- I decided to cut it into 2 posts.

The other thing- his cheating somewhat relates to our "physical problems". I mentioned he was critcally ill awhile back- he had to have a lot of urology surgeries (he went septic, ect) and it left him w/ ummm...scar tissue inside....making it somewhat hard to "perform" w/o medication assistance sometimes he barely can--but not so well. This affects his mental status somewhat..and he's never taken this well. He says it's the biggest blow to his ego ever. Anyhow, I guess I wasn't really talking him seriously about how much it affected him. He says a HUGE part of his depression comes from this. It's all actually very sad for such a young guy. Anyhow, we just really weren't having much of a physical relationship--you know if it doesn't get brought up--we can ignore the problem. He says that was really affecting his depression making it way worse, he didn't want to say this before. He said when "L" started flirting w/ him- it made him feel good about himself- and eventually he said as terrible as it is--he kind of wanted to see if he could "perform" w/ someone else. I had to ask--- and he said only like he can when he doesn't medicate w/ me. Which means barely.

He claims the guilt and the bigger blow to his "manhood ego" really put him in an almost suicidal state. He says he thought of just ending the marriage because he never wanted me to find out what he did.....that he didn't want me to hate him. He claims (even before the revelation) that he know's he's always loved me and he is truly in love w/ me.
 
I'm so sorry you're going through this. :grouphug: I remember reading your original posts and being happy that things seemed to be working out. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
 
I am so sorry you are going through this. I have seen marriages survive infedelity and become even stronger. BUT YOU need tro truly want that. You're needs and wants and the needs of your child should come first right now.
:grouphug:
 
:hug: To answer your question... yes... but only if you *both* want it to work
 
first:hug: I am so sorry you're going through this. My dh and I both say that is something either of us could ever forgive EVER...but I do have to think your situation could be different. I understand he just had to come clean but you'll have to decide if you can, or if you want to forgive him and go on married to this man. He is a grown man, he physically made the decision to take that step w/her, I personally couldn't go on with that. I would fear he would do it again, and of coarse he'd be so sorry again....That will have to take some hard soul searching within yourself and decide what you really want.:grouphug: good luck and I'm so sorry you are in this situation.
 
Mine did but it was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. DH had an affair very early into our marriage. It took a lot of time and counseling and work on both of our parts.

:grouphug: :grouphug: PM me if you feel like you need to talk. I'll be thinking about you.
 


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