Marathon Weekend 2019

My wife and I will be starting in Corral F.

@DopeyBadger I submitted a POT for her, even though it didn't equate to a sub 530 time... but it would've equated to the 530s. Her bib number starts with a 3, so they may have sorta taken her POT into consideration when giving her a number in the proper corral. Doesn't really matter, just more data for you.
 
Spectator Question... Is it realistic to have my husband spectate in DHS and then make it to the finish line in time to see me finish? I'm guessing I should for sure be <45 min between the 2 spots. How does one get from DHS to the finish line? Take the Epcot bus?

I personally have my family see me in DHS every year because it is such a good place (about mile 23) for a mental boost. Leaving WWoS, I just think about getting to see them, and then after seeing them I'm "less than a 5k to the finish". My family tried to make it from DHS to the finish line quite a few years ago, and it didn't work out. They ended up getting there as I was exiting bag check. I finished those last 3 miles in around 27 minutes, so at less than 45 min, I'm guessing it'll be a coin flip if he makes it. I'd much rather have them in DHS since spectators are so separated at the finish line.
 

Yup. About a 10K drop for the "majors" of the weekend, and I expect the 5 and 10 to fall in line with that - especially since only three corrals are needed for the 5K.

I'd say that counts as entries being down, low, and not good. I doubt this will cause them to lower prices or make any other significant changes, but one can always hope, right?
 
Spectator Question... Is it realistic to have my husband spectate in DHS and then make it to the finish line in time to see me finish? I'm guessing I should for sure be <45 min between the 2 spots. How does one get from DHS to the finish line? Take the Epcot bus?


I also have no idea what to wear for the marathon, which is very unlike me. I don't think I'll wear shorts... but is it going to be too warm for long sleeves?? Is it a faux pas to re-wear a shirt made for another rD weekend? Maybe I should get a sparkle skirt?

Add me as someone who would vote for having him see you at DHS. A friend worked there last year and I stopped in Starbucks, sorry Trolley Car Cafe, to see him really quick. It was a huge pick me up and I felt really fast for the last few miles. I wasn't, but that's not the point.
 
So, if I'm adding correctly from bib numbers last year for Marathon, Goofy and Dopey there were 26,893. This year the same totals are 16,755.

That's really quick math on my part, but if accurate that's a massive drop.

ETA: Dopey is very close to the same. The big drops were the marathon and Goofy. Oops, ETA again there was also a pretty significant drop in Dopey too.

So taking this calculation a little further. We know there were just over 20k finishers last year (Marathonguide has 20,025 finishers for 2018). So only 74.4% of marathon/goofy/dopey bib numbers finished the marathon. If we assume same attrition rate against race bib numbers assigned for 2019, we can project about 12,500 finishers for marathon in 2019 which would be the smallest number of finishers since 2008 when there were 12,951 finishers.
 
I think I'm a border case. I had this response from runDisney comparing a 3:45:30 Full and 1:44:25 Half POT for the marathon

Thank you for reaching out. We have our verifier calculate the times for you and posted them below:
  • 1:44:25 half marathon time would calculate to a 3:40 marathon. Either time would place you in the same corral.
I submitted the Half time and have a 4xx bib number in corral A

Thanks for the data! Looks to be off by about 23 seconds from the cutoff I had. Was your bib # really close to the cutoff?

For the 5k - is it always just 3 corrals? Is it crazy at race start then with three bigger corrals?

Having 3 corrals for the 5k is new to marathon weekend. In the recent past, there were 6 corrals. I anticipate they will have mini-waves which will make it "seem" like the same number of waves. My guess is that they just combined A-B, C-D, and E-F from 2018 and made three 2019 corrals. The biggest difference is that someone who could potentially be at the front of 2018 B, can now be at the front of 2019 A. So if corral positioning matters in anyway to a person, then earlier timing is better. But if you planned to be at the back of B (if it were like 2018), then being at the back of 2019 A would be roughly the same in theory. The rate at which people cross the line will be roughly the same regardless of the number of corrals though. 2017 Marathon with 16 corrals vs 2018 Marathon with 8 corrals showed that to be true.

My friend and I have PoTs that are 35 seconds apart. I'm in the first 20 bibs of C and she's in the middle of D for Goofy, so that part is way off.

That's interesting. Can you share the two POTs? Are you both doing Goofy? That certainly seems way off.

I'm in F for the half! Anyone have any idea what time the first wave of F will start around?

Here are 2018 Marathon start times. I would guess the HM was very close to this. This chart was made using a combination of my own personal start time and a difference of gun time to chip time for runners in various further back corrals. It's not absolutely perfect, but very close.

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Would it be too crowded for me to find my own pace if I plan on keeping 9min/miles, or after the first mile or so it should be less crowded?

It'll be crowded, but it will eventually thin out somewhat. There's good data to show it's possible to run all sorts of times from all the corrals. Be patient, be courteous, and make your move when you have space. The biggest problem area will probably be in the theme parks and around mile 7 in cone alley.

Also, is there a corral placement for the 5/10k? (I read there's only 3) so is it first come, first corral, or also based on time?

There is corral placement for the 5k and 10k. You won't find it out until you get your bib. It was based on your estimated pace you entered at registration. I believe this below chart is somewhat close to reality. Since the 2019 5k has three corrals, then combine A/B, C/D, and E/F.

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Quick observation on the corrals and start. Does anyone anticipate that the decrease in numbers will impact the cut on the back end. So does that mean the final wave will get running only 30 minutes behind the 5:30 start, as opposed to 45 minutes later? If the balloon ladies get going that much earlier, the cushion on the back end could be slimmer than in the past.

It's a fair question. In my experience at looking at the data, it seems the start time of the last people is relatively consistent amongst all race weekends even though the number of runners fluctuates. What I think you'll see is a continued regimented release of mini-waves. So the timing of those waves remains constant (see above), but the number of runners within the waves would go down. This is purely a guess though as I certainly can't be sure. It would be a bummer though for those on the back end to lose more of their cushion.

@DopeyBadger I submitted a POT for her, even though it didn't equate to a sub 530 time... but it would've equated to the 530s. Her bib number starts with a 3, so they may have sorta taken her POT into consideration when giving her a number in the proper corral. Doesn't really matter, just more data for you.

Makes sense to me. I believe I saw a case of that last year as well. Where someone submitted a POT very close to the POT cutoff and was given one of the first bib #s in the first non-POT corral (F).
 
F pretty much what I expected. Especially after the double whammy that was jet lag and heat at Berlin killing my shot at PoTing. One of these days I swear I’m going to PR on a fast course...Maybe I should look into running the Colorado Marathon next year. That’s supposed to be a fast course.

And yeah both of my PRs this year came on hilly courses. First at Colfax with the 4 mile uphill. And then again at NYC. After bonking at the half way. Just not fast enough after the honk to get in sub 5:30. Though at least I don’t have the six plus moniker hanging over my head anymore.

Not sure if you've ran it before but Chicago is pancake flat.
You may be best off finding a spring or fall half marathon local to you and going that route for a POT?

I missed corral A by 2 friggin' bib numbers

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!


AOA 1/11-1/14 for me :)
 
@DustyWA I’ll see you in A. But doing Dopey so it will not be race effort by marathon day.

ETA - Got bib 5 for Castaway Cay, but DS and DW are 6 and 7 so I don’t think this is seeded.

Quick observation on the corrals and start. Does anyone anticipate that the decrease in numbers will impact the cut on the back end. So does that mean the final wave will get running only 30 minutes behind the 5:30 start, as opposed to 45 minutes later? If the balloon ladies get going that much earlier, the cushion on the back end could be slimmer than in the past.
I'm also doing Dopey and not racing it. This one is all about enjoying the experience and I'll need to conserve my energy enough to still be mobile for park time both before and after the weekend. It'll be interesting to see how many of the Dead Last Start folks catch up with me!
 
I missed corral A by 2 friggin' bib numbers

What was your POT submission? That'll be useful data because I have someone with a POT that was 5 off A as well and someone else who was just inside A cutoff.

1:56:50 and 1:57:23. Both for Goofy.

Wow that is way off. You seem solidly in C (1:53-2:07) based on my guess. But her HM of a 1:57 is being equated to a 4:30-5:00 marathon. She would had to have a Rigel conversion just over a 1.20 instead of a 1.06 like the rest of the calculations. If she somehow even mistakenly chose a 10 mile POT instead of a HM that wouldn't make sense either because a 1:57:23 10 miler would be a non-submittable POT (cutoff of 1:56:30). I'm sure you've already told her to do so, but I would definitely think this is a case that warrants emailing Track Shack to double check their conversion.
 
I'm sorry; I'm sorry; I'm sorry. Just like two years ago when DW and I ran, I cannot find the post herein wherein y'all are able to determine your corral for the 1/2 and the full. I have our bib numbers from the waivers I printed this afternoon. With those numbers, how are y'all determining your coral assignments? DW is doing the Dopey and I am slugging through the 1/2.
Appreciate if someone could repeat the post on the source to look for our corrals.
Many thanks and, again, sorry for asking something y'all already know.
 
Corral F for the half- expected and ok with it

Apparently fail as a parent as I didn’t put the right birthdate in for my toddler.. but least it was only days not years so she’s still in the right race..
 




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