Making reservation advice

mr. figment

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I have read some material that says to wait until 11 or 7 months to the last day of your stay to make reservations during busy times. I have also read some people advise going day by day to make your reservations for busy times. My question is there a DVC rule that keeps you from doing either? Would going day by day make your stay more confusioning with 7 reservations instead of one? Please advise. Thanks.
 
Would going day by day make your stay more confusioning with 7 reservations instead of one?
You wouldn't have 7 reservations. You call 7/11 months prior to the "checkout" day for the first night of your stay and make a 1-night reservation. You tell MS that you are booking day 1 of a day-by-day reservation. They give you a confirmation number and make a note of your real checkout day and put a hold on your confirmation letter. You call the next day and tell the MS CM you want to modify a day-by-day reservation to add another night. Now you have one 2-night reservation. You call again the next day and again modify the reservation by adding another night. Now you have one 3-night reservation, and so on until the reservation is complete. Once your final night is booked, MS will release your confirmation letter for your 7-night reservation.
 
You wouldn't have 7 reservations. You call 7/11 months prior to the "checkout" day for the first night of your stay and make a 1-night reservation. You tell MS that you are booking day 1 of a day-by-day reservation. They give you a confirmation number and make a note of your real checkout day and put a hold on your confirmation letter. You call the next day and tell the MS CM you want to modify a day-by-day reservation to add another night. Now you have one 2-night reservation. You call again the next day and again modify the reservation by adding another night. Now you have one 3-night reservation, and so on until the reservation is complete. Once your final night is booked, MS will release your confirmation letter for your 7-night reservation.

Suppose you do that, and say, on day 3, they don't have a reservation available? Then what happens? I'm a newbie, it's a newbie question! Thanks in advance for your patience.
 
Suppose you do that, and say, on day 3, they don't have a reservation available? Then what happens? I'm a newbie, it's a newbie question! Thanks in advance for your patience.
In that case things get a bit more fragmented. I would book something as a backup for that 3rd night and wait list for the room type I booked for the first 2 nights. Because that night is booked in a different room type, it would be a separate reservation with a new confirmation number. When I called for the 4th night, if I want to continue booking the first room type, I would have to start a third reservation. If my wait list eventually comes through, I will have 3 reservations that are all for the same room type so MS can link them together so that I won't have to move rooms. If the wait list does not come through, I will have 3 separate reservations and will have to move rooms for that 3rd night and move again for the remainder of my stay. If you're not willing to gamble on the waitlist coming through you could book the 3rd and all remaining nights in the same room type and just change rooms once during your stay.
 

Suppose you do that, and say, on day 3, they don't have a reservation available? Then what happens? I'm a newbie, it's a newbie question! Thanks in advance for your patience.
If you're booking day by day and have to wait list, you're still way ahead of where you'd be if you waited to book it all at once. All of those other people that did call day by day would be ahead of you on the waitlist and you'd likely have multiple days on the waitlist compared to if you'd called day by day. You can do it either way, you're choice. More work to do so day by day but your chances of success are much higher for many options. If it's important to you, call day by day.
 
Suppose you do that, and say, on day 3, they don't have a reservation available? Then what happens? I'm a newbie, it's a newbie question! Thanks in advance for your patience.

At 11 months it's highly doubtful you would have a problem (maybe with a very few room types on a few very busy nights of the year) with day to day reservations. At 7 months the best thing to do is ask on the first day of making reservations how the week ahead looks for you. MS will tell you if a night is sold out and that will allow you to re-evaluate your plan if you need to.

HBC
 
If you are calling day-by-day at the 7 month mark, you can ask Member Services what the availability looks like for your whole stay even though they can only book the first day. It is no guarantee, but it will give you an idea if you are going to have trouble with unavailable nights. For example, they can tell you that Tuesday is already not available - while it can become available by the time you try booking it (because someone in that room changed their reservation to another resort at the 7 month mark), chances are it will not be available when you go to book. So you can change your mind up front and book a different resort/room type. Depends how set on the resort/room type you are and whether you want to try the wait list or not.
 
Wow. As someone seriously considering joining, this seems extremely complicated! It seems like you could actually have to move between several rooms during one stay. Between that, and having to call every day to make a reservation, seems like a big down-side to DVC. I would think that for paying Disney up-front, they would make it easier to book, not more difficult.
 
If you are calling day-by-day at the 7 month mark, you can ask Member Services what the availability looks like for your whole stay even though they can only book the first day. It is no guarantee, but it will give you an idea if you are going to have trouble with unavailable nights. For example, they can tell you that Tuesday is already not available - while it can become available by the time you try booking it (because someone in that room changed their reservation to another resort at the 7 month mark), chances are it will not be available when you go to book. So you can change your mind up front and book a different resort/room type. Depends how set on the resort/room type you are and whether you want to try the wait list or not.

As I was reading through this thread I was going to mention this very point. If MS tells you that availability for your dates looks good, just make sure you call each day as soon as MS opens.

LisaS gave me the same sound advice about day-by-day booking (BCV @ 7 months) and it went very smoothly. :)
 
While calling day-by-day may be necessary at the 7 month mark, I'm not so sure you really need to do that at the 11-month mark, unless you're looking for a GV or some other accomodation that has limited availability and is in high demand.
 
Wow. As someone seriously considering joining, this seems extremely complicated! It seems like you could actually have to move between several rooms during one stay. Between that, and having to call every day to make a reservation, seems like a big down-side to DVC. I would think that for paying Disney up-front, they would make it easier to book, not more difficult.

It's not the norm, but more the exception and extreme. The only time we feel a need to call day-by-day is if we are booking a GV during a holiday. I suspect the same would be true for someone wanting a standard or BW view at BWV or concierge at AKV. I have never called day by day except for the GVs. If you are calling 11 months out, there should be something open, and if you have to wait until 7 months out, there is still likely going to be something open and you can book at the total check out day. It's just that some folks here get paranoid about it and think the must call day by day. I think it's too much trouble, and have never had any issues, eve when booking New Year's Eve, which is the busiest booked day of the year at DVC.
 
Your 7-month window starts on day x. That is not going to be a "common" starting day, it's just your closing day and anyone else that happen to close that day (in any year). If there are 600,000 members and closing dates are evenly spread between 365 days, that = 1685 members with a common closing date. Assume 1% of those want to go on vaction when you do, that's 16.85. Spread that among 8 resorts and only you and 1 other person want to go to the same resort as you do. True, some of these members will have your resort as their home resort and will have booked at the 11-month window. Some times of year are more popular and will have increased demand, but overall, most members get where they want, when they want. Accomodations are limited by resort, so a certain room type may be "tougher" to get.

Overall it is pretty simple. MS has to pick a date and it is the 11 month and 7 month booking windows. Pretty Simple. The day to day is not a recommended reservation method by DVC but a way that members have come up with to hedge their bet.
 
If you're booking day by day and have to wait list, you're still way ahead of where you'd be if you waited to book it all at once. All of those other people that did call day by day would be ahead of you on the waitlist and you'd likely have multiple days on the waitlist compared to if you'd called day by day. You can do it either way, you're choice. More work to do so day by day but your chances of success are much higher for many options. If it's important to you, call day by day.


Another confusing aspect of DVC ownership. Don't yell at me, but if I were Disney, instead of charging 95 to book non DVC Disney properties, I'd just require that an entire reservation be made at one time, and change the 11/7 to be the FIRST day of vacation. It would save so much MS time and so many waitlist issues.
 
Another confusing aspect of DVC ownership. Don't yell at me, but if I were Disney, instead of charging 95 to book non DVC Disney properties, I'd just require that an entire reservation be made at one time, and change the 11/7 to be the FIRST day of vacation. It would save so much MS time and so many waitlist issues.

possibly, but it would also allow the really big DVC owners a big advantage. if they wanted christmas or easter week, they could use extra points to start booking a week or so ahead of time...and then cancel the days they didn't need later on...leaving owners of smaller contracts locked out of peak vacation periods as many other timeshares do...

and smaller owners would still wind up calling MS to get on waitlists.

not being in a position to buy 1000s of pts myself, i appreciate the process that DVC currently uses, even if there can be some hassles to it...

(edited to add: i don't think disney will be foregoing the $95 fee in any event...which IMO is a really negative change in the DVC program.)
 
possibly, but it would also allow the really big DVC owners a big advantage. if they wanted christmas or easter week, they could use extra points to start booking a week or so ahead of time...and then cancel the days they didn't need later on...leaving owners of smaller contracts locked out of peak vacation periods as many other timeshares do...

and smaller owners would still wind up calling MS to get on waitlists.

not being in a position to buy 1000s of pts myself, i appreciate the process that DVC currently uses, even if there can be some hassles to it.

I totally agree. Worldmark has a big problem with this!
 
This is all good stuff, thank you!

What about specific days of the week? Are Sunday to Thursday more likely to fill up during the busy times because they cost less points?
 
Your 7-month window starts on day x. That is not going to be a "common" starting day, it's just your closing day and anyone else that happen to close that day (in any year). If there are 600,000 members and closing dates are evenly spread between 365 days, that = 1685 members with a common closing date. Assume 1% of those want to go on vaction when you do, that's 16.85. Spread that among 8 resorts and only you and 1 other person want to go to the same resort as you do. True, some of these members will have your resort as their home resort and will have booked at the 11-month window. Some times of year are more popular and will have increased demand, but overall, most members get where they want, when they want. Accomodations are limited by resort, so a certain room type may be "tougher" to get.

Overall it is pretty simple. MS has to pick a date and it is the 11 month and 7 month booking windows. Pretty Simple. The day to day is not a recommended reservation method by DVC but a way that members have come up with to hedge their bet.
Your 7-month window has nothing to do with your closing date. You can book your home resort 11 months prior to your vacation check-out date and non-home resorts 7 months prior to your vacation check-out date regardless of your Use Year or contract closing date. For example any member who wants to stay at a non-home resort from Aug 3-8 could book the entire stay in one call on Jan 8th. If you want to stay at a non-home resort from Dec 7-12, 2008 and wanted to book it day by day, you would make your first call on Jan 8, 2008. You will be competing with every member who is trying to book the night of Dec 7, 2008 (and there will be a lot of them). In fact, for early December you really should book at your home resort 11 months out and then try to switch at 7 months. If you wait until 7 months to book something, you will probably end up on the waiting list for some/all of your nights.

Day by day booking is a bit of a pain, but it gives everyone an equal shot at booking a particular night during busy times of the year or when trying to get a room type that has limited availability. I have only done it when trying to get a Boardwalk View or Standard View room at BWV during early December or during the Food & Wine festival, and when I booked a Concierge room at AKV. For other trips, I waited until 11/7 months from my check-out date and had no problems getting what I wanted.
 
that was pretty stupid for me to say!
You're new here and I assume you are new to DVC as well? I just wanted to be sure you understood the booking windows so that you don't miss out on a reservation you wanted because you didn't call as early as you could have. It can take a while for all the rules to sink in fully! And welcome to the DISboards!
 
Another confusing aspect of DVC ownership. Don't yell at me, but if I were Disney, instead of charging 95 to book non DVC Disney properties, I'd just require that an entire reservation be made at one time, and change the 11/7 to be the FIRST day of vacation. It would save so much MS time and so many waitlist issues.
Any system has nuances and systems that you must learn. DVC's is actually simpler than most overall. Those that choose not to learn the ins and outs will lose out. But the $95 fee is a separate issue from the DVC reservation system and likely one set by DVD and not DVC. As many can tell you, I think they should allow booking a single reservation for up to 2 weeks on a given start date. IMO, this could save as much as 20-30% of our maint fees because less phone calls means less employees needed. I don't think it'd help that much on wait lists though and would likely hurt those trying to reserve hard to get items at 7 months out.

Done correctly it would not give anyone an advantage. All you have to do is require that you cancel then rebook if you make any changes in the dates involved, some systems have a 24 hour waiting period for this situation. And you limit the length of a single reservation to a max of 14 days.

This is all good stuff, thank you!

What about specific days of the week? Are Sunday to Thursday more likely to fill up during the busy times because they cost less points?
Currently DVC can not limit stays to longer than 5 days. They could however require days to be grouped such as Fri to Sunday as one component and Sun to Fri as another with a points reallocation. Or you could simply require that each reservation contain a Fri or Sat night stay. Weekends are more likely to be available though we don't know the specifics since occupancy is not published and has not been since the mid 90's.
 

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