Major Change to FSA/HSA Accounts Starting in 2011

We have a high deductible too and I use ours for that and for prescriptions, but its nice to be able to use our HSA to buy OTC meds when we are in a financial pinch. And thats usually when the kids get sick. Its nice to be able to go get some Childrens tylenol and other OTC stuff......And the tax on glasses and contacts is just wrong....UGH!!!
 
With 4 family members on Zyrtec this will be a loss to us. What is going to hurt us even more is the cap. We currently have $5000/year in our flex account. DD has very high medical expenses even with a very good health plan due to so many co-pays and many medications. Add this to higher taxes and it will be a sizable hit.
 
Funny how this all comes out after the bill has been passed..

Oh I'm sure there will be lots of stuff we'll be learning about this bill as time goes by.

As for my FSA account this is the first year I pledged a large amount ($3,000) because we are paying for DD's braces this year.
 

BTW they consider Eyeglasses and contacts as a "Medical Device" so now the public is going to have to pay a 3.2% sales tax on them. I am pissed about this since glasses are costly and I have to buy them every year.

Actually, the 2.9% tax exempts medical devices generally purchased by the public such as eyeglasses and hearing aids.

(b) TAXABLE MEDICAL DEVICE.—For purposes of this section— (1) IN GENERAL.—The term "taxable medical device" means any device (as defined in section 201(h) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act) intended for humans. (2) EXEMPTIONS.—Such term shall not include— (A) eyeglasses, (B) contact lenses, (C) hearing aids, and (D) any other medical device determined by the Secretary to be of a type which is generally purchased by the general public at retail for individual use.
 
Actually, the 2.9% tax exempts medical devices generally purchased by the public such as eyeglasses and hearing aids.

(b) TAXABLE MEDICAL DEVICE.—For purposes of this section— (1) IN GENERAL.—The term "taxable medical device" means any device (as defined in section 201(h) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act) intended for humans. (2) EXEMPTIONS.—Such term shall not include— (A) eyeglasses, (B) contact lenses, (C) hearing aids, and (D) any other medical device determined by the Secretary to be of a type which is generally purchased by the general public at retail for individual use.

You can see that information here:http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h4872eh.txt.pdf

pg 97 section 4191.

There are many misconceptions about the health bill out there. The best way to find out the truth is to look it up for yourself.
 
I always ask my doctor to write a script for an OTC, because that's how my insurance will pay. If it's not a "prescription" then I pay out of pocket 100%. So yes, I ask my ped if she'll write a script for Children's Tylenol,etc and she does, I go get it filled and it costs me $0.
 
At work, we have a 52 page document that outlines all the changes.

What I love is the 10% tax on tanning - not that I tan but still :rolleyes:

Oh and the changes to medigap plans. Those are really really bad. :eek:

The best though is how someway they've managed to tie a healthcare plan to of all things college Pell Grants. Sooo don't understand that. :confused3
 
The cap is going to hurt us, too. We pay $60/week in copays for DS's speech and OT. That alone is over $3k. Other DS has allergies & asthma, and the copay for his allergy Rx (the only one that works for him- Rynatan) is over $60/month- and he has 5 rx's for asthma on top of that, though those don't have to be refilled as often. We make a lot of medical payments for our family of 4.
 
what type of insurance will pay for tylenol and motrin besides medicaid???? that is the only one I have seen down here in Fla to do that and it irks me to no end honestly when I have people demand scripts for it when you can buy the generic at target, etc for $3.00. I buy motrin, benedryl & zyrtec at costco in bulk and it lasts us for awhile.. I can see getting the script for the allergy meds but motrin/tylenol I just cannot not.. gotta love our healthcare..:confused3
 
At work, we have a 52 page document that outlines all the changes....


Oh and the changes to medigap plans. Those are really really bad. :eek:

I take care of my mom (89) and aunt (91) and they have paid for their supplemental insurance as well as their Medicare Part D (for prescriptions) for years. I hate to see changes come at their advanced ages.

Do you know what changes are coming to the medigap plans?
 
I take care of my mom (89) and aunt (91) and they have paid for their supplemental insurance as well as their Medicare Part D (for prescriptions) for years. I hate to see changes come at their advanced ages.

Do you know what changes are coming to the medigap plans?

Speaking from someone who works with health insurance every day: Not much at all.

After June 1, there are certain Medigap plans that won't be offered (I think four of them) and two new ones added. No matter what, if you mother and aunt are happy with their coverage, they just need to continue to pay their premiums and will be fine... whether their particular plans is no longer being offered to new enrollees or not.

Their part D coverage will in all likelihood get better. The coverage gap (or "donut hole") will be eliminated. This is a big big deal if they are on pricey medications. What people are concerned about are those retirees who have their part D plans supplimented by a previous employer (using federal money). Those benefits are now taxed to the employer, starting in 2011. The concern is that the additional tax burden will cause companies to eliminate this benefit to future retirees.

So for you aunt and mom, pretty much business as usual! :thumbsup2

I personally don't mind the cap on HSA accounts. $2500 should be more than enough money to be sheltered for medical expenses for most folks who have insurance.
 
The cap is going to hurt us, too. We pay $60/week in copays for DS's speech and OT. That alone is over $3k. Other DS has allergies & asthma, and the copay for his allergy Rx (the only one that works for him- Rynatan) is over $60/month- and he has 5 rx's for asthma on top of that, though those don't have to be refilled as often. We make a lot of medical payments for our family of 4.

And your trade off is two-fold... Your family can no longer be denied health insurance for a pre-existing condition (or terminated for one), and you will no longer be held to a life time maximum. We are in a similar situation, only our weekly therapy copays between two boys was $100/wk last year, and jumped to $150/wk this year when our specialist copay went from $20 to $30. Last year we paid $25K for our premiums, copays, exclusions and out of pocket - so you can just imagine what we're up to this year. Plus this year we have NeuroPsych that is billing 50/50, despite the fact that it's a true Cerebral/brain damage issue (cerebral palsy and seizure cause), not emotional/behavioral psych.

However - a few years ago, we came close to dangerously close to our lifetime max ($2M cap at the time). Fortunately, my husband's employer was going through a merger, and he didn't have to leave his job of 12 years. The insurance we have now is far worse, but worse is better than nothing, as we're "Uninsurable" on the open market.

In the end - there's a lot of complaints about the President or Congress. And while I'll be the first to say the bill is far from perfect, and that I think they should have put some special interests aside, or some politicians should have stopped acting like little brats and put the real needs of the country (not corporate profits) first. Not to mention the CRAZY (and I do mean CRAZY) rhetoric that has been taking place.

However, at the end of the day lives should never have been put in the hands of for profit corporations. Because when your life or whether your remaining as a member on their policy rolls is weighed against share holder profits and CEO bonuses - I guarantee you - you will not matter. It's profits first. It's been proven time and time again. My family has felt the reality of that time and time again. We're just one few of the fortunate ones that can pull out a credit card to cover the charges when our insurance company decides to arbitrarily deny something that is covered under our policy, while we fight for months to get them to reimburse us. 95% of the time, those denials would have a major health impact to our child - like life or death, and most often impact his feeding situation. Or worse yet - denying pre-term labor medication when I was carrying my second child, while having PTL and with a history of extreme preterm delivery. Yes, insurance companies suck. They need regulated - they need rules, and we need protections, a lot of them.
 
what type of insurance will pay for tylenol and motrin besides medicaid???? that is the only one I have seen down here in Fla to do that and it irks me to no end honestly when I have people demand scripts for it when you can buy the generic at target, etc for $3.00. I buy motrin, benedryl & zyrtec at costco in bulk and it lasts us for awhile.. I can see getting the script for the allergy meds but motrin/tylenol I just cannot not.. gotta love our healthcare..:confused3
I buy mine at Costco as well. I watch the ads - every few months they have a special for Zyrtec, and the bottles are much larger than the childrens bottles at the regular store. There are two in a pack, and I think they're typically $14? I just bought them recently for $11, I believe with the coupon from their ad.
 
what type of insurance will pay for tylenol and motrin besides medicaid???? that is the only one I have seen down here in Fla to do that and it irks me to no end honestly when I have people demand scripts for it when you can buy the generic at target, etc for $3.00. I buy motrin, benedryl & zyrtec at costco in bulk and it lasts us for awhile.. I can see getting the script for the allergy meds but motrin/tylenol I just cannot not.. gotta love our healthcare..:confused3

My insurance does and it'd not medicaid. It is Tricare, another government insurance plan. I don't fill presciptions out in town though, most of the time I take the script to the base pharmacy, but the script itself is written by a civilian doctor. And yes, it's to save me money. :upsidedow I really only do it for daily meds (claratin, albuterol) and not motrin, but I could.
 
However, at the end of the day lives should never have been put in the hands of for profit corporations.

So next up, should we let the govt take control of the hospitals? The doctors?? What else?

These dreaded "profit corporations" have built the greatest nation in the history of the world, now we are wanting to hand the baton off to perhaps the most inefficient entity in the history of the world.. and on the backs of the taxpayers during a recession???

I work for an international company, they guys from other parts of the world ALWAY take advantage of our healthcare when here for work, says its far better than what they have in places like Germany, France and Britian..

Its a horrible bill, that we can't afford and the scarey part, is it might be the tip of the iceberg as far as what we see in the future.
 
This sucks. I use my account for eyeglasses, perscriptions, office calls etc but I also budget in all the OTC meds we use. A few years ago I didn't but once I started adding it up we spend a lot so I increased my account.
 
Speaking from someone who works with health insurance every day: Not much at all.


I personally don't mind the cap on HSA accounts. $2500 should be more than enough money to be sheltered for medical expenses for most folks who have insurance.

Well, that is fine unless you have a $3,000 deductible like our family...Or have to meet the $10,000 out of pocket maximum... Oh, and the increased $1200 tax bill on top of that. Yep, $2500 should cover it - not.
 












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