Magic in Dry dock?

[Buckeye Gal]

Right on TVGuy...I've read that the law states it needs to go into dry-dock 2 times within a 5 year span.

 

[TheTXTaylors5]

I found this online. . .

Subp. 1b: Dry dock inspection -- A boat's hull shall be inspected in dry dock, separate from the annual safety inspection, by the Department of Labor and Industry or by a certified marine surveyor. The dry dock inspection shall be a comprehensive inspection according to part 5225.6050, subpart 2. Boats with wooden hulls shall have an annual dry dock inspection. Boats with metal or composite hulls shall be subject to a dry dock inspection once every three years. The boat owner is responsible for obtaining an inspection of the boat hull required under this subpart, including its cost. Dry dock inspections conducted by the Department of Labor and Industry constitute a separate fee and shall be at the rates given in part 5225.8600, subpart 7.

So, the Magic and Wonder are only required to go into dry dock every three years. But, had been doing two in good faith. Just thought y'all would find it interesting!

Bon Voyage!

 

[Barbossa]

Since the Disney ships are registered in the Bahamas, is this a Bahamas, U.S., or International law? If U.S., it's probably required if the ships are to dock at U.S. ports.

 

[goofyforlife]

We had been warned she was going into drydock after our cruise, but decided on the cruise anyways.

Usually drydock is two weeks (14 days), including the time it take to get to Virginia and back. They are refurbishing the ship all the way there and back.

We were on the Wonder just prior to it's drydock in 2004. They had already started working on various projects around the ship. (Welding and such with the ESPN to teen club conversion)

At some points it was really annoying.....

 

[TheTXTaylors5]

We were on the Wonder just prior to it's drydock in 2004. They had already started working on various projects around the ship. (Welding and such with the ESPN to teen club conversion)

At some points it was really annoying.....

Oh Great! Is that what we have to look forward to?

 

[DrCavin]

Oh Great! Is that what we have to look forward to?

Really depends on what they are going modify. When they added the DumboTron, I dont recall reading anyone noticed things the week before. Most of what I remember were complaints that things were not finished for a few weeks AFTER coming out of dry-dock.

 

[TheTXTaylors5]

Right on TVGuy...I've read that the law states it needs to go into dry-dock 2 times within a 5 year span.

Can you find that info on the 2 xs in 5 year for inquiring minds on here? I found the other and want to make sure I am not passing on misinformation. The info I found was from the US Labor and Industry. Thanks!

 

[TheTXTaylors5]

Really depends on what they are going modify. When they added the DumboTron, I dont recall reading anyone noticed things the week before. Most of what I remember were complaints that things were not finished for a few weeks AFTER coming out of dry-dock.

I heard that too about them still painting and doing carpet the cruise after dry dock. We are just chancing it for our cruise. Then again, we are cruising in September. So, that in itself is a gamble. Thanks for the info!

 

[PearlandPaige]

We're on the 09.27.08 Magic cruise immediately following dry dock, and I'm sooo excited to be one of the first to see what enhancements they will have made and report back to all of you!

We cruised after the Magic's last drydock and they were definitely still working out kinks. We weren't allowed to board until late (I'm vaguely recalling it was after 1:00 but I'm not sure). There were lots of workers still on board, the exercise room was unavailable because they were still converting it and the spa was not completed. In the spa you could hear hammers, welding, sawing, etc. Of course, that may have been some new spa treatment I'm not familiar with. There were also some problems with some folks rooms flooding but I can't remember if that was related to the work they were doing or might have happened anyway. All in all, it was fun to be the first to see all the new stuff on the ship despite not having some amenities available. You'll just have to go into it with an open mind and fully aware of the potential risks that some things you may want to do may not be available to you. Oh, the other big plus with being the first cruise after drydock is that the ship is immaculate!!! It sparkled.

 

[Buckeye Gal]

Can you find that info on the 2 xs in 5 year for inquiring minds on here? I found the other and want to make sure I am not passing on misinformation. The info I found was from the US Labor and Industry. Thanks!

Funny you asked because after reading your findings, I thought to my self "wow....I wonder if I'm wrong!" Honestly, I would be confident in what you've found. I recall reading the 3 times in 5 years on another thread about a month ago. Silly me for believing something I read on the net!! I think I also read it in a written interview...I will look for it, but again, I'm more apt to go with what you found.

 

[Buckeye Gal]

Thanks for the heads up, Paige! That's a bummer that you encountered those bumps in the cruise. You made a good point to ensure expectations are set for less disappointment. Guess you just gotta roll with it and make the most of it...remembering you're still away from the realities back home!

 

[Capt_BJ]

Can you find that info on the 2 xs in 5 year for inquiring minds on here? I found the other and want to make sure I am not passing on misinformation. The info I found was from the US Labor and Industry. Thanks!

US law does not apply to a non-US registered vessel.

However, the US can control the ability of a vessel to load passengers and that is what kicks in for a cruise ship...they must comply with SOLAS requirements and certain US vessel inspection rules.

Among those rules is 46CFR176 which covers underwater inspections.

46CFR176.600e

(e) For a vessel that is eligible per Sec. 115.625, and if the owner
opts for an alternate hull examination with the underwater survey
portion conducted exclusively by divers, the vessel must undergo two
alternate hull exams and two internal structural exams within any five-
year period. If a vessel completes a satisfactory alternate hull exam,
with the underwater survey portion conducted predominantly by an
approved underwater remotely operated vehicle (ROV), the vessel must
undergo one alternate hull and one internal structural exam, within any
five-year period. The vessel may undergo a drydock exam to satisfy any
of the required alternate hull exams.

This is only one part of the complex set of rules that yeild a 2 in 5 with no more than 3 between any 2.

that's how I understand it anyway, but I'm a ship driver not a regulator or inspector, but I do know that 46CFR is where the rules are - not US labor laws.


This legal goobeldegoop basically allows what's at is base an annual requirement to be extended if other types of inspections are permitted - there are other sections that apply specific to pass' vessels and it gets kind of complicated. I'd note that these rules are added to by the insurer - typically Lloyd's who have their own requirements but US law tends to fall right in line.

as an aside an individual working for DCL at Port Canaveral recently said he'd missed (an event) last year because he was getting (a DCL ship) ready to dry dock. But he would be able to participate this year AND NEXT as no drydocks were planned.....

DCL has used Norfolk Ship Repair in the past, and that shipyard was recently aquired by BAE Systems

 

[Buckeye Gal]

Thanks for the 411 on that, Captain BJ!!

 

[Barbossa]

Good info Capt. I also heard that there's some U.S. rule that if a cruise ship uses U.S. ports for 2 or more consecutive dockings, it incurs some sort of fee or restriction. That's why you often see cruise ships alternate between U.S. and foreign ports. Any truth to this?

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Good info Capt. I also heard that there's some U.S. rule that if a cruise ship uses U.S. ports for 2 or more consecutive dockings, it incurs some sort of fee or restriction. That's why you often see cruise ships alternate between U.S. and foreign ports. Any truth to this?

I think you're referring to a United States law from 1886 — the Passenger Services Act. It's sometimes mistakenly referred to as the Jones Act. (The Passenger Services Act applies specifically to passenger ships, while the Jones Act deals with sailors' rights.)

The Passenger Services Act requires foreign ships to call on at least one foreign port when operating out of a US port. Also, the ships normally must return to the same US port from which they sailed. (DCL's ships and almost all other major cruise ships are foreign-flagged.) There are some exceptions.

Because of the Passenger Services Act, you won't see foreign-flagged cruise ships offering cruises such as starting in New York and ending in Miami, nor cruises entirely within Hawaii, nor Alaska cruises that don't include at least one Canadian port.

NCL America, a part NCL, is the only cruise line operating cruises solely within the Hawaiian Islands. The NCL America ships were all built in Europe, although the hull of one of them was built in United States. NCL was able to get legislation passed to operate foreign-built vessels under the flag of the United States. It's not just a simple matter of flying a different flag and mailing in a registration fee. The ships require U.S. officers and labor and come under U.S. labor laws. No other cruise line — not even a big one like Carnival or Royal Caribbean — has tried to copy NCL.

 

[Barbossa]

Horace, great info! I'm going to pass this on to my "cruisin'" friends and relatives.

 

[bksaffle]

If anyone is curious, here is an article that discusses some of the enhancements that are being done on the MAGIC.

Go to the link below and select the top story...

dclnews.com