Lying KIDS!!!!!!!

First, I try not to EVER give my kids a chance to lie. I don't ask leading questions like, "Honey, did you leave a mess all over the countertop?" when I already know perfectly well that my daughter was the last one in the kitchen.

Nope, I say, "Honey, you left a mess all over the countertop! Get in here and clean it up."

And if she says, "It wasn't me!" (A totally normal response, BTW!) Then I say, "You were the last one in the kitchen. If it was messy when you walked in, then you should have said something. You didn't, so it's your problem. Clean it up!"

Also, if there's no way for me to tell who made a mess or did something, I will sometimes say, "If someone 'fesses up right now, all you have to do is fix this and I won't say another word about it. If no one 'fesses up, you're both..." (Washing dishes for a week, whatever seems appropriate to the crime...)

There's also a standard rule in the house, which I'm careful to enforce (and remind the kids about regularly), that if someone confesses, they will get a much smaller and less painful consequence than if they lie about it and I find out later. Lying makes things worse. I don't hold it against them, though, if they panic, lie, and then retract their lie. A confession is still good, even if it's a little late. I've reduced punishments based on late confessions.

When their grandma watches her soaps I usually take a moment to point out to the kids how all the lies those foolish characters tell each other only makes things worse. Having examples like, "All she had to do was tell her husband that she lost the baby!" is both fun AND educational. :lmao:

My kids are generally truthful. They're also bad liars, which is hilarious (oh... and kids HATE it when they try to lie to you and you laugh in their face!). Sometimes kids lie just because they really wish that what they're saying is the truth. They're not crazy or immoral - they just want you to believe in them and believe that they're good people, so they're going to stick to the best story they can, even when it's ridiculous. That's why I said above that you should never give them an opportunity to lie if you already know the truth - it's just mean to trap them like that!

Judge Judy says, "How do you know if a teenager is lying? They're moving their lips!"

My kids are going to lie. I won't always know when they're lying , either. So, I try to keep the lines of communication open. I talk to them. I listen to them without judgment. I spend time with them, and I encourage them to spend time with other adults in their lives. Hopefully if they ever get into real, serious trouble, they'll ask one of us for help.
 
In case it's helpful, here's an example from this morning about how I typically avoid giving my kids a chance to lie:

My 14yo daughter isn't allowed on the laptop first thing in the morning, because when she gets on and starts reading she's inevitably late for school.

I caught her on the laptop early this morning and reminded her of the rule, but didn't levy any punishment - she got a pass because this was a holiday weekend and we're all moving slowly. She put the laptop away and I made her breakfast. Then, an hour later, I realize she needs to leave for school. When I wander into the room to tell her, I hear a click and I see the laptop on the couch beside her and a guilty look on her face.

"Were you on the laptop?" I ask. But I don't give her a chance to lie to me. The "deer-in-the-headlights" look tells me all I need to know. "I already warned you this morning about getting on the laptop! Just for that, there'll be no computer time this evening. Now get your butt to school!"

She didn't have the sweetest look on her face, but all she said was, "Yes,m," so I didn't call her on it.

And I've stashed the laptop so she won't be tempted again. ;) If she was younger, I would take the time in the evening to point out that she's traded maybe 15 minutes of illicit computer time in the morning for several hours she could have had this evening. And wouldn't it have been better to have waited? I don't need to have that lecture with her now, though, because she's older and she knows it by heart. :lmao:
 
Well I do not think that all children lie, either my children are very good or I know nothing.
Sounds like my wife and I. If my kids were to spill something or make a mess, they wouldn't lie about it, but would look guilty as all if caught cleaning it up. They make messes all the time (especially the youngest with spilling food or drink) but they always are cleaning it up if I happen to walk into the room. They jump, stop cleaning up, and maneuver to hide the spill, but there has always been a towel hidden behind their backs that they were using to clean up. The guilty look on their faces because they got "caught" when they were cleaning it up, which is indeed the right thing to do, is hilarious.

Other than that, either they are not of age enough yet or it is just because we live in the country and they don't have the benefit of being influenced by other kids to have anything to lie about.
 
Well I do not think that all children lie, either my children are very good or I know nothing.

You probably don't want anyone to answer this, but just in case you're open to learning a little more:

Lying is a skill all children learn. It is a tool for avoiding blame or punishment, and for shoring up a poor self-image. While all children lie, some do it much more than others. Psychologists who study lying have found patterns that help predict which children will lie the most.

For the complete article by Dr. Lawrence Kutner, Phd: http://www.drkutner.com/parenting/articles/lying.html

From New York Magazine:

t starts very young. Indeed, bright kids—those who do better on other academic indicators—are able to start lying at 2 or 3. “Lying is related to intelligence,” explains Dr. Victoria Talwar, an assistant professor at Montreal’s McGill University and a leading expert on children’s lying behavior.

Although we think of truthfulness as a young child’s paramount virtue, it turns out that lying is the more advanced skill. A child who is going to lie must recognize the truth, intellectually conceive of an alternate reality, and be able to convincingly sell that new reality to someone else. Therefore, lying demands both advanced cognitive development and social skills that honesty simply doesn’t require. “It’s a developmental milestone,” Talwar has concluded.

http://nymag.com/news/features/43893/

So there you go - lying isn't a symptom of poor parenting, it's a sign of an intelligent child! :lmao:
 

Sounds like my wife and I. If my kids were to spill something or make a mess, they wouldn't lie about it, but would look guilty as all if caught cleaning it up. They make messes all the time (especially the youngest with spilling food or drink) but they always are cleaning it up if I happen to walk into the room. They jump, stop cleaning up, and maneuver to hide the spill, but there has always been a towel hidden behind their backs that they were using to clean up. The guilty look on their faces because they got "caught" when they were cleaning it up, which is indeed the right thing to do, is hilarious.

Other than that, either they are not of age enough yet or it is just because we live in the country and they don't have the benefit of being influenced by other kids to have anything to lie about.

I'm curious - isn't this a form of lying, since they're actively trying to deceive you by hiding the evidence of their "crime"? Does a lie have to be verbalized, in order to be a lie? What about "lies of omission"?
 
Ehhhh... I don't know if it's natural for kids to lie.

I have 2 boys - 19 & 15. The older one doesn't lie. In fact sometimes it's so blunt, I'm shocked.

2 examples of the way the same question would go:

Me: Did you go to school?
19 Him: No.
Me: What?? Why??
19 Him: I didn't feel like it.


Me: Did you go to school?
15 Him: Yeah.
Me: Really? Because the school called....
15 Him: Ohhh, well I was late, soo....
Me: No, I got a call you weren't there at all.
15 Him: No, I was there.
Me: So, they just called to screw with you?
15 Him: Oh wait, today?
Me: YES, today??
15 Him: Ummmm, well, ummm... I was sick
Me: You seem fine now.
15 Him: Yeah, now I'm better...

:rolleyes:

You see how 15 could keep going and going. I have no idea why. I tend to wonder if it's genetic. My older one is very much like me, and I really don't lie. My younger son is much more like his father, and his father could liiiiiiie. He would tell me the sun was shining, during a down pour.

I don't know. The only plus I have with my liar is he gets much guiltier about 'hurting' me, so I do use the "I know you wouldn't lie to me....." line.

Mine is currently grounded. It was a silly lie, but I lie none the less. In fact, I see more reason to lie with a BIG lie not an "I'm going to so and so's house" and ending up at the mall. That annoys me.
 
Maybe you should knock something of theirs on the floor and lie about it...often liars (like red-light runners) expect everybody else to do the right thing (like tell the truth or stop for red lights). See how they like being lied to.

Other than that, I got nothing...pick your battles.

agnes!
PS - Was this a whole box of crackers that made a huge mess or was it just a small single pack? Am wondering what the scale of messiness or destruction was.

:worship: LOVE this idea!!!! I will have to try that and I will do it more than once! See how they like it is right!!!

RE the crackers....what happened was I asked whoever put them there to pick them up. It wasn't a mess just a sleeve on saltines on the floor. So when I asked them to pick it up, their response was...."their not mine" So thats how it all started.
 
Maybe you should knock something of theirs on the floor and lie about it...often liars (like red-light runners) expect everybody else to do the right thing (like tell the truth or stop for red lights). See how they like being lied to.

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OMGosh - you reminded me what my g/f did years ago (about your kids age, OP)

She was sick of the little BS lies - like your crackers, like the spilled juice, like the 'did you brush your teeth'. Were they silly lies? Of course, but she was tired of it!

They woke up on a beautiful Saturday morning. She asked them: Do you guys wanna go to the carnival??

Yeahhhh! YAY! :yay: Can we get popcorn? popcorn:: Of course!!! Cotton Candy?? Yeah! How many rides can we ride? As many as you want!! YAY!!! :woohoo:

They got themselves ready at lightning speed! Teeth brushed, without asking!

They're driving and driving. Kids are talking about the rides they're going on, and how much FUN they're gonna have.

And they pull up to.....the antique mall the kids hated. :eek:

Wait?? Where is the carnival??? :confused:

We're not going to a carnival! I lied! How's it feel to be lied to?!?!? pirate:

:sad1::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::guilty:

Maybe I'm a sadist, but it makes me laugh SO MUCH every time I think about it. :rolleyes1:laughing:
 
OMGosh - you reminded me what my g/f did years ago (about your kids age, OP)

She was sick of the little BS lies - like your crackers, like the spilled juice, like the 'did you brush your teeth'. Were they silly lies? Of course, but she was tired of it!

They woke up on a beautiful Saturday morning. She asked them: Do you guys wanna go to the carnival??

Yeahhhh! YAY! :yay: Can we get popcorn? popcorn:: Of course!!! Cotton Candy?? Yeah! How many rides can we ride? As many as you want!! YAY!!! :woohoo:

They got themselves ready at lightning speed! Teeth brushed, without asking!

They're driving and driving. Kids are talking about the rides they're going on, and how much FUN they're gonna have.

And they pull up to.....the antique mall the kids hated. :eek:

Wait?? Where is the carnival??? :confused:

We're not going to a carnival! I lied! How's it feel to be lied to?!?!? pirate:

:sad1::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::guilty:

Maybe I'm a sadist, but it makes me laugh SO MUCH every time I think about it. :rolleyes1:laughing:

Another sadist here....that's pretty damn funny :lmao:
 
A bit dramatic over a pack of crackers, don't you think? Yes, believe it or not, all kids experiment with lying at some point. Your kids are just the right ages. It's not as if they're 16 and lying about where they've been or who they've been with.

If no one confessed, I would have just picked up the crackers and said, since neither one of you will 'fess up, then neither one of you can have (insert consequence here - tv, crackers, friends over, etc). Chances are someone would have spoke up real fast which would have lead to a discussion about lying.

But to say you'll never trust your kids? Give me a break.

Listen......the cracker incident was only used as an example. I could go on for hours about incidences where my son has lied. This is the reason I cannot believe or trust what he tells me. I'd be a moron to let the cracker incident influence me to never believe him. For the record....I did say that if neither of you did it then neither gets to watch tv. They just moved on to something else and could have cared less. I've even threatened to watch the "hidden video camera" but they didn't buy it. It wasn't about the crackers, it was the principle that no one would fess up and the straw that broke the camels back. I'm tired of the lying. I always tell them that they will not be punished for telling the truth only for lying and yet they still lie. :confused3
 
They pretty much all lie, especially about transgressions. Don't take it personally.
 
OMGosh - you reminded me what my g/f did years ago (about your kids age, OP)

She was sick of the little BS lies - like your crackers, like the spilled juice, like the 'did you brush your teeth'. Were they silly lies? Of course, but she was tired of it!

They woke up on a beautiful Saturday morning. She asked them: Do you guys wanna go to the carnival??

Yeahhhh! YAY! :yay: Can we get popcorn? popcorn:: Of course!!! Cotton Candy?? Yeah! How many rides can we ride? As many as you want!! YAY!!! :woohoo:

They got themselves ready at lightning speed! Teeth brushed, without asking!

They're driving and driving. Kids are talking about the rides they're going on, and how much FUN they're gonna have.

And they pull up to.....the antique mall the kids hated. :eek:

Wait?? Where is the carnival??? :confused:

We're not going to a carnival! I lied! How's it feel to be lied to?!?!? pirate:

:sad1::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::guilty:

Maybe I'm a sadist, but it makes me laugh SO MUCH every time I think about it. :rolleyes1:laughing:

LOVE IT!!!!!:lmao:
 
OMGosh - you reminded me what my g/f did years ago (about your kids age, OP)

She was sick of the little BS lies - like your crackers, like the spilled juice, like the 'did you brush your teeth'. Were they silly lies? Of course, but she was tired of it!

They woke up on a beautiful Saturday morning. She asked them: Do you guys wanna go to the carnival??

Yeahhhh! YAY! :yay: Can we get popcorn? popcorn:: Of course!!! Cotton Candy?? Yeah! How many rides can we ride? As many as you want!! YAY!!! :woohoo:

They got themselves ready at lightning speed! Teeth brushed, without asking!

They're driving and driving. Kids are talking about the rides they're going on, and how much FUN they're gonna have.

And they pull up to.....the antique mall the kids hated. :eek:

Wait?? Where is the carnival??? :confused:

We're not going to a carnival! I lied! How's it feel to be lied to?!?!? pirate:

:sad1::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::guilty:

Maybe I'm a sadist, but it makes me laugh SO MUCH every time I think about it. :rolleyes1:laughing:

This is great!

I have the problem of my child calling me out on everything. I'll tell him we might go do something and then circumstances change (like a baseball game is scheduled that his dad forgot to mention) and we can't do whatever it was so he calls me a liar. I might say Dad is coming to get you tonight and he doesn't so I'm the liar again. I tell him I'm not lying but giving him a truth based on the information I have at the time which is always subject to change (especially if his dad is involved)! Poor kid.
 
OMGosh - you reminded me what my g/f did years ago (about your kids age, OP)

She was sick of the little BS lies - like your crackers, like the spilled juice, like the 'did you brush your teeth'. Were they silly lies? Of course, but she was tired of it!

They woke up on a beautiful Saturday morning. She asked them: Do you guys wanna go to the carnival??

Yeahhhh! YAY! :yay: Can we get popcorn? popcorn:: Of course!!! Cotton Candy?? Yeah! How many rides can we ride? As many as you want!! YAY!!! :woohoo:

They got themselves ready at lightning speed! Teeth brushed, without asking!

They're driving and driving. Kids are talking about the rides they're going on, and how much FUN they're gonna have.

And they pull up to.....the antique mall the kids hated. :eek:

Wait?? Where is the carnival??? :confused:

We're not going to a carnival! I lied! How's it feel to be lied to?!?!? pirate:

:sad1::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::guilty:

Maybe I'm a sadist, but it makes me laugh SO MUCH every time I think about it. :rolleyes1:laughing:

Oh man... I couldn't do that to my kids! It sounds like something from "Malcolm in the Middle" - which is hilarious on TV, but not so much fun in real life.

Do two wrongs make a right? I guess maybe sometimes... I once started whining at my son, because he was whining lots and I wanted him to realize how annoying it was. That's kind of that same thing... I suppose. But I would have cried for days if my mom had done this to me when I was a kid.

My husband teases sometimes - he'll trick the kids by telling them something outrageous and trying to get them to believe it. So because of this, they don't always believe him when he's actually telling them the truth. When that happens, he says, "Go ask your mother. You know that if SHE says it's true, then it's true." And the kids come running over to me, saying, "Mom, you never lie! Is this true?"

But I really like the fact that my kids trust me. I wouldn't want to do anything to break that trust.

BTW - I wasn't born truthful. I used to be an awful little liar when I was a kid. But when I grew up, I promised myself that I would try to always answer a direct question truthfully, or I wouldn't answer at all.
 
OMGosh - you reminded me what my g/f did years ago (about your kids age, OP)

She was sick of the little BS lies - like your crackers, like the spilled juice, like the 'did you brush your teeth'. Were they silly lies? Of course, but she was tired of it!

They woke up on a beautiful Saturday morning. She asked them: Do you guys wanna go to the carnival??

Yeahhhh! YAY! :yay: Can we get popcorn? popcorn:: Of course!!! Cotton Candy?? Yeah! How many rides can we ride? As many as you want!! YAY!!! :woohoo:

They got themselves ready at lightning speed! Teeth brushed, without asking!

They're driving and driving. Kids are talking about the rides they're going on, and how much FUN they're gonna have.

And they pull up to.....the antique mall the kids hated. :eek:

Wait?? Where is the carnival??? :confused:

We're not going to a carnival! I lied! How's it feel to be lied to?!?!? pirate:

:sad1::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::guilty:

Maybe I'm a sadist, but it makes me laugh SO MUCH every time I think about it. :rolleyes1:laughing:

:lmao:
 
I always tell them that they will not be punished for telling the truth only for lying and yet they still lie. :confused3

My mom had this rule and we all still just lied anyways too. Seriously we were just a pack of liars!! (glad to hear it means we were just really intelligent)
In our case it was because we didn't believe we would really not get in trouble if we told the truth (and knowing my mom I think we were right to think that), so we figured we might as well try to avoid punishment by lying. My parents were crazy strict though.
 
Oh man... I couldn't do that to my kids! It sounds like something from "Malcolm in the Middle" - which is hilarious on TV, but not so much fun in real life.

Do two wrongs make a right? I guess maybe sometimes... I once started whining at my son, because he was whining lots and I wanted him to realize how annoying it was. That's kind of that same thing... I suppose. But I would have cried for days if my mom had done this to me when I was a kid.

My husband teases sometimes - he'll trick the kids by telling them something outrageous and trying to get them to believe it. So because of this, they don't always believe him when he's actually telling them the truth. When that happens, he says, "Go ask your mother. You know that if SHE says it's true, then it's true." And the kids come running over to me, saying, "Mom, you never lie! Is this true?"
.

I'm a teaser with my kids, too. When I surprised my then 11 y/o with a trip to Disney, just him and I, used the "Gotta pick up my boss from the airport at 3:30 am" as the decoy, then handed him the reservation info from Disney in the airport parking lot - he looked at it, got excited, then furrowed his brow, looked me dead in the eye with a "this is not something to be joking about" look and asked "Serious??" before he allowed his elation to set in.

My family does the teasing thing. I understand what you're saying, though.

And no, two wrongs don't make a right - but I still think it's funny. :rolleyes1

They lived. They had to schlep through an antique mall, instead of a carnival. ;)
 
OP, it's more of an oppositional issue than one of lying. The kids know lying annoys you, so they do it.
Like the crackers, let it go. If you confront them on small things all the time(not saying that you do), lying will become a habit.
Also, you threatened to put in a camera but didn't do it. Do you threaten often and then don't follow through? If you do, they have your number and have turned a deaf ear.
If you can afford it, buy a cheap camera at radio shak but don't tell them. The next time, you'll have evidence, then punish both of them for lying.
 


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