Love to Hate Disney?

[3DisneyFanz]

I don't know that I've ever seen anyone say they hate Disney. There may be aspects that people are unhappy with but in the end everyone is here primarily because they love Disney. Even the people you may think are negative are fueled by wanting things to be better. There's a lot to love about Disney but there's also a lot to be frustrated with as well and it's very therapeutic for some to be able to discuss these items. Personally I think you learn a lot more from people willing to give other viewpoints than those who just pump the pixie dust all the time.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Call me mean...hateful... Jaded...spiteful...whatever...

But the reality is the "haters" are in fact the "lovers"

To love Disney is not really to accept, praise, and talk of "magic"...

Not that you can't do those things...you certainly can...and you most definitely can and should give credit where credit is due.

I comment on many parts of Disney's globe of business...

But $0.90 of every $1 is wdw.

The Walt Disney company built a breathtaking, brilliant development in Florida from 1965-1982...the Eisner era had its high and low points...but the net gain was great for the consumers...

The last 10+ years have been "safe" to the point of stale...all things are about accounting and revenue consolidation...not building on to the legacy.

Over water bungalows are not "magical"...they are vanity.

An outdoor shopping mall might be cool...or it may be an outdoor shopping mall.

A "lover" in this day and age should have an eye toward the future...as in dont let the wave hit you without ever seeing it. Very difficult to amend a longstanding "trend" or "policy" in the operation in the swamp...they're not likely to yield any ground yielded by the paying customer.

This is a business...with stockholders...looking to maximize they're take...
Not a charity with promise of children and the joy of perpetual youth in mind.

David Copperfield ain't the CEO.

I'll take any label...because its worth it if I "annoy" people by pointing out be fact that we need to continue to ask for
More.

Simple market economics. If you accept less...you will get less in the future. Is that gonna serve any of us?

 

[Andrew015]

I went to Disney every year as a kid (sometimes multiple times a year) until I was in high school. After about a ten year lull, my husband and I are now going again every year together. So in the last few years I've started planning and paying for my own trips. I still feel just as excited (if not more) as I did when I was younger. Maybe not having had to PAY for all those trips in my youth and being more oblivious to things like cost, trash, Long-gone-perks and other things kids don't pay attention to makes it harder for me to empathize with the "I'll go but I won't like it" crowd. I don't know exactly what I'm missing? Maybe I'll revisit this question in another decade after having invested a lot more time and money and see things differently.

For me, it's a very basic concept.

• The WDW experience of the 80's and 90's was incredible.
• The WDW experience of the 2000's and beyond is still unparalleled, but massive and arguably unjustifiable price increases with little in return for consumers have slightly soured the experience and have totally lessened the overall value (for me personally).
• WDW is still my favorite place on earth, and I will continue to go until either A. I can no longer afford to or B. I get to a break point where the cost doesn't justify the experience. Hopefully, I'm a ways away from either, but basing this on past performance / current trajectory, who really knows?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

For me, it's a very basic concept.

• The WDW experience of the 80's and 90's was incredible.
• The WDW experience of the 2000's and beyond is still unparalleled, but massive and arguably unjustifiable price increases with little in return for consumers have slightly soured the experience and have totally lessened the overall value (for me personally).
• WDW is still my favorite place on earth, and I will continue to go until either A. I can no longer afford to or B. I get to a break point where the cost doesn't justify the experience. Hopefully, I'm a ways away from either, but basing this on past performance / current trajectory, who really knows?

From My ganglion to your fingers

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Oh dear...

I've been identified by name...

I'M famous!!!

But if i recall... There was a very tedious "why don't you pound dust" thread a few months ago that went nowhere...

I've forgotten/moved on...why are we revisiting things Again, Jolly Roger? Refresh, please...

 

[iamsarahpotts]

For me, it's a very basic concept.

• The WDW experience of the 80's and 90's was incredible.
• The WDW experience of the 2000's and beyond is still unparalleled, but massive and arguably unjustifiable price increases with little in return for consumers have slightly soured the experience and have totally lessened the overall value (for me personally).
• WDW is still my favorite place on earth, and I will continue to go until either A. I can no longer afford to or B. I get to a break point where the cost doesn't justify the experience. Hopefully, I'm a ways away from either, but basing this on past performance / current trajectory, who really knows?

This kind of solidifies for me that I'm missing the context of a period of years during which it seems (to put it oh so eloquently) visitors started getting less bang for their buck. So it's probably not a viewpoint I can relate to as far as my WDW experiences go, but I do at least understand it better now. Thanks!

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It's worse on WDWMAGIC, in fact that's why I post here to escape tons of the negativity

They're frustrated...

I've spent a grand total of 15 minutes looking around there over 15 years...

But it didnt take that long to tell that what's going on.

And since we've been told "like it is" on this thread...I won't dare "tell" anybody...

I will ask how the frustration... Whether or not it you share it...can not be at least acknowledged?

I wish somebody would scan/post even the maps and entertainment scheduled side by side of 1999 and 2015...

Of...lets say...I don't know...EPCOT and studios.

It would be a neat excercise... Without even broaching costs.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

This place would be boring if it was just filled with Disney can do no wrong people. I don't hate Disney, I just am not happy with the Disney of now. Sometimes the people that you think "hate" Disney are actually Disney's biggest fans and that's why they are critical.

Agree...and intercot is already out there

 

[jtowntoflorida]

I don't mind reading points that I don't agree with, or that are negative toward Disney. What I'm tired of are a few posters who never have ANYTHING positive to say. And that's saying a lot, considering a colleague once called me "the most negative person I have ever met". When you see a given poster's name and you know before you even read the post that it's going to be a negative rant, it's a problem. Balance is indeed what is required. Maybe the "pixie pounders" posts don't stand out so much to me as the "negative nellie" posts, but it seems that a few are bent on telling us how "the bubble is about to burst, Disney is going to go down the tubes, blah, blah, blah" in most every one of their posts, and act as if we are simpletons if we don't agree with them. Meanwhile, Disney's stockholders are laughing all the way to the bank. I just don't get it.

Well, they're probably not laughing this week considering the stock has dropped by about 10% after Disney's earnings were disappointing.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Somehow always equating Disney's stockprice to the quality, operation, and longterm vision for parks... Specifically wdw...is the textbook false equivalency...

Disney is gigantic, global media conglomerate...

Why is wdw being run well if the stock price is up? Where's your proof?

And how in the hell would that in any indicate that they aren't mortgaging the quality of the future for the easy profit now?

65 year old guys looking to cash out a cool billion or so in options care about 2030?

Surely ye jest...

 

[Josh Hendy]

This is a really boring thread. I'm sorry I ever read it or posted on it.

Pay attention to the D23 thread, not this one. What is said about the WDW parks at D23 this year is either going to confirm the pessimistic view of Disney's intentions for WDW, that they're going to continue to treat it as a cash cow and spend as little as possible on new and renovated attractions ... or it's going to confirm the optimistic view that Disney intends to knock one out of the park with a lot of great new attactions in new theme park lands.

It is TWDC management who is going to either make you happy or bum you out. Other people's reactions to what TWDC says and does mean nothing. If you're happy or bummed out at the attitude of other message board posters, you're snorting the tea leaves through the wrong end of the straw.

 

[socrateze]

That's an interesting perspective. I think making ADRs and FP+ etc. is a really fun part of the trip. I love planning all the details of my trips. I guess that goes back to what you said about different personalities. It wouldn't have occurred to me that may be a grievance for some people. I could understand though how that may make someone say "I love going to Disney but hate planning a Disney trip."

And for the record, I really wasn't trying to be negative or imply certain people shouldn't post, I'm just interested in a perspective different than mine. I think it's fun to read everyone's posts.

You're right about everyone having different perspectives. My underlying emotion toward WDW is disappointment. FP+ and ADR's IMO have ruined my WDW vacations, it transformed a fun vacation into work. When I compare what Disney is doing at DLR compared to what's being done at WDW and I am disgusted.

I share my opinions on message boards for 2 reasons 1. To see if others re as disillusioned as I am 2. In hopes that Disney notices an increasing number of dissatisfied guests and finally adds new attractions to the park.

Lately it seems that all WDW execs are capable of doing is adding more revenue generating establishments: restaurants, DVC, and retail at DTD. Yes, Pandora is coming,,, in 2018? DHS? When...2020?

I have decided to stop visiting WDW.

 

[Madteaparty001]

This is a really boring thread. I'm sorry I ever read it or posted on it.

Pay attention to the D23 thread, not this one. What is said about the WDW parks at D23 this year is either going to confirm the pessimistic view of Disney's intentions for WDW, that they're going to continue to treat it as a cash cow and spend as little as possible on new and renovated attractions ... or it's going to confirm the optimistic view that Disney intends to knock one out of the park with a lot of great new attactions in new theme park lands.

It is TWDC management who is going to either make you happy or bum you out. Other people's reactions to what TWDC says and does mean nothing. If you're happy or bummed out at the attitude of other message board posters, you're snorting the tea leaves through the wrong end of the straw.

This was a really snotty post, I understand you're feeling attacked but it wasn't the OP's intention for anyone to be spot lighted as a negative nellie, just because the conversation turned that way doesn't mean you need to trash the thread. Just like if only the 'Disney could do no wrong' people were allowed to post everything would be boring, if only the 'Disney doomsday' people were allowed to post we would have the same result.

 

[iamsarahpotts]

You're right about everyone having different perspectives. My underlying emotion toward WDW is disappointment. FP+ and ADR's IMO have ruined my WDW vacations, it transformed a fun vacation into work. When I compare what Disney is doing at DLR compared to what's being done at WDW and I am disgusted.

I share my opinions on message boards for 2 reasons 1. To see if others re as disillusioned as I am 2. In hopes that Disney notices an increasing number of dissatisfied guests and finally adds new attractions to the park.

Lately it seems that all WDW execs are capable of doing is adding more revenue generating establishments: restaurants, DVC, and retail at DTD. Yes, Pandora is coming,,, in 2018? DHS? When...2020?

I have decided to stop visiting WDW.

I'm interested in knowing:
1. How long you've been visiting WDW
2. Have you tried visiting without doing all of the pre-planning? Is that even possible or does that leave you too far behind when you arrive if you haven't made reservations before you get there?

 

[LOL!]

Just an observation in response to the OP's question, but from what I've seen "The DIS" is pretty much the last bastion of protected positive social media territory when it comes to all things WDW. Every other alternative I've looked at started creeping towards critical long ago and the movement has been accelerating recently. I've also noticed that critical viewpoint of Disney's actions had begun to broach the edges of the DIS happy bubble some time ago, occasionally questioned by some and vigorously defended against by others.

 

[Andrew015]

This was a really snotty post, I understand you're feeling attacked but it wasn't the OP's intention for anyone to be spot lighted as a negative nellie, just because the conversation turned that way doesn't mean you need to trash the thread. Just like if only the 'Disney could do no wrong' people were allowed to post everything would be boring, if only the 'Disney doomsday' people were allowed to post we would have the same result.

I'm not sure what portion of Josh's post qualified as "snotty". In a nutshell, his argument is to base your opinion of TWDC on the quality of their product as perceived by YOU, not on what others from a discussion forum have to say about. I couldn't agree more, actually.

While the intention behind Sarah's post was innocent and it appears that she has already obtained the answer that she was seeking, it's pretty plain to see what direction this thread was going to head. And frankly, you're just as guilty of adding fuel to the "pixie pounders" vs "negative nellies" fire as anyone.

Can't we simply agree that there is validity to both sides of the argument, and let it be up to the individual to listen to the counterpoints and make a determination as to where they stand on the subject?

 

[Andrew015]

Just an observation in response to the OP's question, but from what I've seen "The DIS" is pretty much the last bastion of protected positive social media territory when it comes to all things WDW. Every other alternative I've looked at started creeping towards critical long ago and the movement has been accelerating recently. I've also noticed that critical viewpoint of Disney's actions had begun to broach the edges of the DIS happy bubble some time ago, occasionally questioned by some and vigorously defended against by others.

Sorry, the above highlighted sentence coming from a member who's been with us for a whole whopping month couldn't help but make me... well... LOL!

 

[socrateze]

I'm interested in knowing:
1. How long you've been visiting WDW
2. Have you tried visiting without doing all of the pre-planning? Is that even possible or does that leave you too far behind when you arrive if you haven't made reservations before you get there?

I've visited WDW for about 20 years, but only about every 2-3 years for most of that time. Last trip we made no ADR's, but did make FP+ reservations. If you want to go on the headliners and don't want to wait in line, then booking FP+ IMO is required. I don't think you can visit WDW without making FP+ reservations, unless you're happy wandering around and staring at fountains.

 

[socrateze]

Sorry, the above highlighted sentence coming from a member who's been with us for a whole whopping month couldn't help but make me... well... LOL!

I didn't join the boards until recently, but that doesn't mean I haven't visited. Are you saying that only a long standing member is allowed to express opinions?

 

[LOL!]

Sorry, the above highlighted sentence coming from a member who's been with us for a whole whopping month couldn't help but make me... well... LOL!

Except that it doesn't require a membership to visit and read these forums for, well......years...LOL!