LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[Laketravis]

Park hopping is the cure to tiers for us...

Can you explain how park hopping works as a cure to tiers for you? Do you FP in one park and then hop to another? Or RD/SB one park and hop to another with FP?


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[RollTide1017]

In much the same way, it was entirely up to Disney how many FP's one could pull.

But there was no limit with the old system. Time was the only limiting factor with the old system and there were ways to game that system as well. Back when I use to live in Orlando and had AP, we would go park hopping for a day and probably pull 10+ FPs through out the day. Shoot, there were times when we would get 3 or 4 FPs for the same top tier rides in a single day. That probably wasn't real fair to other guest but, hey, we knew the system better.

Unfortunately, Disney didn't like this type of behavior and came up with a new system. I haven't used FP+ yet but, I can definitely see how this new system "spreads the wealth" better and keeps people like me from hogging all the FP. I'll see how I like the new system in April and I'll probably will miss the days of FP hording. Although, I will not criticize the new system just because it ruins my days of gaming the old FP system.

 

[jade1]

But there was no limit with the old system. Time was the only limiting factor with the old system and there were ways to game that system as well. Back when I use to live in Orlando and had AP, we would go park hopping for a day and probably pull 10+ FPs through out the day. Shoot, there were times when we would get 3 or 4 FPs for the same top tier rides in a single day. That probably wasn't real fair to other guest but, hey, we knew the system better.

Unfortunately, Disney didn't like this type of behavior and came up with a new system. I haven't used FP+ yet but, I can definitely see how this new system "spreads the wealth" better and keeps people like me from hogging all the FP. I'll see how I like the new system in April and I'll probably will miss the days of FP hording. Although, I will not criticize the new system just because it ruins my days of gaming the old FP system.

Respect.

 

[MrInfinity]

At MK. Not so much at the other parks. Also, many people are just ride/attractions people. They don't go to a ton of shows, they don't do Universe of Energy, and they don't do Meet and Greets. So, things with high FP demand their priority, and they don't get to do those as much, so they're making the choice to simply not go to WDW.

No, many people do lots at all 4 parks, getting on many rides, all with minimal waits, including doing many peripheral activities. I think I demonstrated HS... in which we rode TSMM twice, did JTA, had a Galactic Breakfast, rode ST about 4 times, RnR twice, ToT, saw Dis Jr, met Buzz and some Star Wars characters, shopped at the Darth Mall, and watched the opening and closing ceremonies. I had similar days at Epcot and the AK too. All in FP+ times on moderate to busy days.

Because under FP-, the guest had in his/her own power the ability to ameliorate the circumstances and now they do not. I never waited in 75 minute lines at Epcot. Now, I must. (Unless I am content to ride TT and Soarin' once each, with one being at RD.) So I either ride less, or wait more. With no way out of that box.

More circles, Jimmy. If one had the ameliorate the circumstances under FP-, then you can ameliorate them now. I certainly am controlling my own destiny.

"Now I must". Why must you, when I am not so constrained? I don't get it. I am able to do so much, yet you say you must wait in 75 min lines. I don't get why you must but I don't have to. This is more circular logic you're making. Just like before, the guest not using FP- well had to wait in lines while you went past them over and over -- and life was good. But now, you are waiting in lines while those who use FP+ well are going past you over and over -- and it's Disney's fault. See my day above.

 

[Laketravis]

But there was no limit with the old system....

Correct, and Disney chose to implement it that way. They could have limited how many FP's any inserted media could receive throughout the day yet they chose not to.

Unfortunately, Disney didn't like this type of behavior and came up with a new system.

I'm pretty sure there were other reasons behind the new system.



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[Lisa loves Pooh]

So rope drop solves the issue?

Here's my response to that:




Just substitute "so I can make up for tiers and getting fewer FPs under FP+" in place of "so they can rush in and grab a paper FP."

Earlier, it was said it was the fault of the guest under the paper fast pass system for sleeping in.

Not liking the solution doesn't make it not a solution.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So, now that you've clarified that point, I still want to know where you're getting your source numbers.

It may be true that people aren't riding each headliner at MK 3 times a day, but it's certainly plausible for the other parks, where headliners are much rarer.

Since you say "other parks"--

Off season, my family rode EE at least 3x.

Multiple days permits multiple rides at other parks with park hopping.

When you think outside of the box, there are solutions. Not liking said solutions does not make them not a solution.

 

[AustinTink]

I think most of us would love to "think outside the box" and visit during off season when crowds are low and most of this FP+ stuff is a non-issue. Unfortunately, this is not a possibility for the majority of visitors. A good touring strategy needs to work during high times/ peak season.

 

[cakebaker]

But there was no limit with the old system. Time was the only limiting factor with the old system and there were ways to game that system as well. Back when I use to live in Orlando and had AP, we would go park hopping for a day and probably pull 10+ FPs through out the day. Shoot, there were times when we would get 3 or 4 FPs for the same top tier rides in a single day. That probably wasn't real fair to other guest but, hey, we knew the system better.

Unfortunately, Disney didn't like this type of behavior and came up with a new system. I haven't used FP+ yet but, I can definitely see how this new system "spreads the wealth" better and keeps people like me from hogging all the FP. I'll see how I like the new system in April and I'll probably will miss the days of FP hording. Although, I will not criticize the new system just because it ruins my days of gaming the old FP system.

I'm impressed, seriously. What a great attitude to have and an opinion I can respect. Thank you.

 

[Laketravis]

I think most of us would love to "think outside the box" and visit during off season when crowds are low and most of this FP+ stuff is a non-issue. Unfortunately, this is not a possibility for the majority of visitors. A good touring strategy needs to work during high times/ peak season.

I was just looking at MK wait times thinking what would I be doing if I had already used my 3 FP's. I'd probably be hoping that there were more available at a kiosk, but not sure what the selection would be. Today is an "8" per EasyWDW with MK being a recommended park. Curious what anyone's touring strategy would be right now.

 

[cakebaker]

Can you explain how park hopping works as a cure to tiers for you? Do you FP in one park and then hop to another? Or RD/SB one park and hop to another with FP?


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As I've said before, we go to park opening, we don't "rope drop" like we used to have to do. We do like to be there when it opens, but it's not absolutely required for us and we certainly don't run with the bulls so to speak.

To solve the dilemma of suddenly having an aversion to rope drop- because I'm quite certain the people who now oppose FP+ and loved riding multiple times most certainly used rope drop- I'd make the tiered parks afternoon parks using FP+. The MK and AK are the parks I'd choose as morning, but not required to be rope drop mornings. MK and AK are the easiest parks to tour standby.

This new found aversion to rope drop is actually funny.

 

[Laketravis]

As I've said before, we go to park opening, we don't "rope drop" like we used to have to do. We do like to be there when it opens, but it's not absolutely required for us and we certainly don't run with the bulls so to speak.

To solve the dilemma of suddenly having an aversion to rope drop- because I'm quite certain the people who now oppose FP+ and loved riding multiple times most certainly used rope drop- I'd make the tiered parks afternoon parks using FP. The MK and AK are the parks I'd choose as morning, but not required to be rope drop mornings.

This new found aversion to rope drop is actually funny.

That pretty much sounds like what we were doing. MK and AK weren't deal killers if we didn't show up for rope drop and we never made FP's for those parks in the mornings but there's no way we would have gone to HS or EP in the afternoons/evenings without FP's.

 

[Luckybee]

FALL SPECIAL:

Stay deluxe and receive 8 FP+ per day, or 4 FP+ in one park and 3 FP+ in a second.

Now that would be something that would actually get me interested(if that included no tiering) in spending more time on property. For that I would forego the advantages of the off property deluxe resorts and be back to spending more time at Disney I suspect.

 

[cakebaker]

FALL SPECIAL:

Stay deluxe and receive 8 FP+ per day, or 4 FP+ in one park and 3 FP+ in a second.

From your mouth to Disney's ear...please put that in effect for this June if you don't mind.

ETA: I'd be ok with tiers.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think most of us would love to "think outside the box" and visit during off season when crowds are low and most of this FP+ stuff is a non-issue. Unfortunately, this is not a possibility for the majority of visitors. A good touring strategy needs to work during high times/ peak season.

When solutions are requested, they are offered. While they may not work for everyone, it doesn't make it not a solution.

 

[AustinTink]

When solutions are requested, they are offered. While they may not work for everyone, it doesn't make it not a solution.

Certainly. It just doesn't work for anyone with school-aged kids and/or demanding works schedules. Those folks visit during traditional holiday/vacation times of the year.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I was just looking at MK wait times thinking what would I be doing if I had already used my 3 FP's. I'd probably be hoping that there were more available at a kiosk, but not sure what the selection would be. Today is an "8" per EasyWDW with MK being a recommended park. Curious what anyone's touring strategy would be right now.

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Choose one of the 26 rides that show less than a 75 minute wait. The quoted wait time that started this "outside the box" process.

Hold the remaining three that are in excess of 75 minutes until end of day.

This is given that it is 7:30 right now. I would have started my park day sooner.

If your wait time threshold is different, you make a different plan. But my response pertains to the poster who I originally addressed and stated the magic number of 75 minutes.

*oddly, this same touring strategy is what I used on my pre fast pass days.
(On my phone--so if my numbers are off, I apologize.)

 

[SmithSmith]

I was just looking at MK wait times thinking what would I be doing if I had already used my 3 FP's. I'd probably be hoping that there were more available at a kiosk, but not sure what the selection would be. Today is an "8" per EasyWDW with MK being a recommended park. Curious what anyone's touring strategy would be right now.

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I'll bite.

First, I'd arrive around 5 after an afternoon break.

Second, I would schedule my 3 FP for evening. I know that's not what you asked for but I wouldn't be going into an evening at Magic Kingdom without FPs.

Third, I'd schedule dinner around 7, maybe CHH or BoG.

Fourth, whenever I wasnt using my FPs, I'd be tackling my favs that are bound to have short waits like CoP, Country Bears, TTA, or anything else that had 20 minute or less waits that I might be interested in.

Fifth, after watching Celebrate the Magic and Wishes, I'd do SB on the more popular rides like BTMR after the crowds have cleared.

Basically, I just go wherever there are no crowds. You know... the path of least of resistance.

 

[AustinTink]

Do any of you think that the next incarnation of FP+ should be structured like the Express Pass at Universal? Free and unlimited to guests who stay at the deluxe, on-property hotels and paid for at the gate by all other guests who choose to buy it?

 

[Luckybee]

I'll bite.

First, I'd arrive around 5 after an afternoon break.

Second, I would schedule my 3 FP for evening. I know that's not what you asked for but I wouldn't be going into an evening at Magic Kingdom without FPs.

Third, I'd schedule dinner around 7, maybe CHH or BoG.

Fourth, whenever I wasnt using my FPs, I'd be tackling my favs that are bound to have short waits like CoP, Country Bears, TTA, or anything else that had 20 minute or less waits that I might be interested in.

Fifth, after watching Celebrate the Magic and Wishes, I'd do SB on the more popular rides like BTMR after the crowds have cleared.

Basically, I just go wherever there are no crowds. You know... the path of least of resistance.

How unfortunate for us if we followed your plan. We would not have done anything at all other than our 3 fp's. None of our favourites including IaSw, Potc, JC,Pooh, PP, and HM etc. had lines of under 20 minutes on any of the 3 days we were at MK in sept/oct....not even after wishes (although the lines did get shorter on our 1 eligible emh night). Matter of fact that is why we had to keep going back to MK (for various short day intervals)since we didn't want to spend an inordinate amount of time in line so with 3 days we had more fp's to work with . And even with the 3 days we still missed JC since we used our 9 fp's and elsewhere, couldn't get a 4th for it on any of the 3 days, and were not waiting 35 or 25 mins for it...which is what the wait was the days I looked.