Lost respect, why are people so shady?

[Ladygoldenhair]

So she should get to ride twice (or more) as many rides as a typical three year old that gets tired and cranky after a few hours and needs to leave the park? Sorry, but I just don't agree with that.

I guess you have to walk the shoes to understand, one can never understand/opion on that adversity unless they experience it. Those two rides may be the only two the toddler , adolescent, or adult with different abilities will ride all day, maybe for a few days.

Unlike a toddler with melt downs that rest at the hotel and later or the next be in commando mode. You still pay the same admission.....maybe if like years ago when we went to Hershey Park or others that reduce the price, or free admission and chrge for the ride, it would be different, but full price full abilities, discriminates against those with limited abilities. Just getting into and out of the attraction is often a challenge that is exhausting.

I think it's sad the price for an elderly person pays with limitations because you know they are not going to spend more then a few hours a few days at the parks. Likewise the price for someone confined to a mobility device.

There is no such thing as making a attack schedule, running for fast passes, or even knowing if the character meal will be able to be met. But, everyone wants a little Magic, and the difficult days are worth the precious memories.

We had one good day some years ago with our family member. They hiked up Splash Mountain and asked to ride it twice in a row....they never made it back, that trip or any other. But I will never forget their face to the spray of the water, and squeals of delight hitting the bottom.

There was never another day at the Kingdom with them to be had. Shame on those that thought they wanted to fit in twice the rides in half the time.
Time is fleeting....

 

[afnaechiquita]

I do think the major problem that needs to get worked out is removing the extra waits for mobility aid users who can't transfer (or for rides where even those who can transfer get backed up). This isn't a new problem. Every visit I've had as a mobility aid user, there have been rides where I've waited longer (sometimes substantially longer) than those in standby. I think some of that can improve with the DAS because of removing the non-mobility aid users from accessible alternate entrances (i.e. Sue's more recent experiences with Small World). Others should improve with the close-ended return wheelchair return times (one reason I wouldn't necessarily object, as a non-DAS user, to being given a longer than standby wheelchair return card to something like Jungle cruise if the card really did mean not waiting for the boat when I returned). I don't know the best way to fix it for rides with mainstream queues that then bump you to another corridor at the normal boarding point (those I've always waited extra for, even when the only mobility aid user in the off season), but I think long term WDW can figure out a system. Once the DAS is more ironed out (because it can still use improvement even though I think in general it works), maybe WDW can start putting it's creativity towards reducing the longer than non-disabled people waits for mobility aid users.

i wonder if in the future, disney will recognize which rides' non-transfer queues get significantly backed up (i.e. jungle cruise, IASW) and make additional accommodations for those specific rides, such as providing access as it was under GAC. that would be a way to address the mobility issues without allowing for abuse.

 

[1girln3boys]

I share your disdain. I am an AP in California, at Disneyland. I have to use a ECV for mobility in the parks. And my child has true anxiety and issues with sensory stimulation. The GAC is perfect for us/her. We can wait away from the press of the crowds in the lines, and we are thrilled that Disney allows her to be able to experience the parks this way. When parents insist on pushing their way into the handicapped line for wheelchairs and scooters, with their strollers because they don't want to take the kids out, I have been known to do the following : While looking concerned, and sincere, I say to the parent : "Oh, it must be so hard to parent disabled children." (or some other heartfelt sentiment) to which they always reply indignantly "There is nothing wrong with my child/ren !" and I can innocently reply "oh, then why are you in the area designated for handicapped ?" I know, I'm a witch with a "B". But please. Don't take up space for those of us who really MUST use assistive devices, and who cannot fold up the chair or scooter and just climb up the stairs. I would be happy if I could. But I cannot. Don't cheat the system. Support the system, that you might one day truly need.

I'm sorry if you said that to me I wouldn't be very nice. Yes it is freaking difficult having a child that needs to stay in his stroller due to having a neurological disorder. We only use one at Disney but you have no right to judge me and say something like that. It's rude and quit frankly none of your business

 

[afnaechiquita]

I'm sorry if you said that to me I wouldn't be very nice. Yes it is freaking difficult having a child that needs to stay in his stroller due to having a neurological disorder. We only use one at Disney but you have no right to judge me and say something like that. It's rude and quit frankly none of your business

your stroller would have a big orange tag stating that it a stroller used as wheelchair. there are some who do not have that tag who make the attempts PP was talking about.

 

[buffettgirl]

I guess you have to walk the shoes to understand, one can never understand/opion on that adversity unless they experience it. Those two rides may be the only two the toddler , adolescent, or adult with different abilities will ride all day, maybe for a few days.

Unlike a toddler with melt downs that rest at the hotel and later or the next be in commando mode. You still pay the same admission.....maybe if like years ago when we went to Hershey Park or others that reduce the price, or free admission and chrge for the ride, it would be different, but full price full abilities, discriminates against those with limited abilities. Just getting into and out of the attraction is often a challenge that is exhausting.

I think it's sad the price for an elderly person pays with limitations because you know they are not going to spend more then a few hours a few days at the parks. Likewise the price for someone confined to a mobility device.

There is no such thing as making a attack schedule, running for fast passes, or even knowing if the character meal will be able to be met. But, everyone wants a little Magic, and the difficult days are worth the precious memories.

We had one good day some years ago with our family member. They hiked up Splash Mountain and asked to ride it twice in a row....they never made it back, that trip or any other. But I will never forget their face to the spray of the water, and squeals of delight hitting the bottom.

There was never another day at the Kingdom with them to be had. Shame on those that thought they wanted to fit in twice the rides in half the time.
Time is fleeting....

I know reading the Disboards sort of makes it seem like most people are going to disney constantly, but you do realize that there are many families in the world who never go to Disney...ever. Or who go once in their lifetime. Their children may go once, and never again. They go to MK for the one and only day they'll be in MK, hike up splash mountain for their one and only ride, because Fast Passes are gone for the day and ride, and never ride again. Do they deserve accommodations?

And you're forgetting that those families might also be dealing with difficult situations as well, every day of their lives. A parent's death. A deployment. A death of a child. And time is fleeting for all of us. Some of us have less time, some have more. None of us know. Some have difficulties that are visible, some have difficulties that are are not. By your standards, are they not also deserving of accommodations?

Providing accommodations isn't about who has it harder, or walking a mile in someone else's shoes.

 

[Pooh2]

I know reading the Disboards sort of makes it seem like most people are going to disney constantly, but you do realize that there are many families in the world who never go to Disney...ever. Or who go once in their lifetime. Their children may go once, and never again. They go to MK for the one and only day they'll be in MK, hike up splash mountain for their one and only ride, because Fast Passes are gone for the day and ride, and never ride again. Do they deserve accommodations?

And you're forgetting that those families might also be dealing with difficult situations as well, every day of their lives. A parent's death. A deployment. A death of a child. And time is fleeting for all of us. Some of us have less time, some have more. None of us know. Some have difficulties that are visible, some have difficulties that are are not. By your standards, are they not also deserving of accommodations?

Providing accommodations isn't about who has it harder, or walking a mile in someone else's shoes.

Agreed. We had our first trip in nearly 5 years last month. I have neurological issues, it would never had occurred to me to ask for special accommodations. We got to the park early most days, used fastpass plus on the other two days. We did have to limit our time in the parks, go rest at the pool, then come back later. I do not expect the World to revolve around my disability, I need to adapt and choose our vacation destinations accordingly.

 

[aaarcher86]

I guess you have to walk the shoes to understand, one can never understand/opion on that adversity unless they experience it. Those two rides may be the only two the toddler , adolescent, or adult with different abilities will ride all day, maybe for a few days.

Unlike a toddler with melt downs that rest at the hotel and later or the next be in commando mode. You still pay the same admission.....maybe if like years ago when we went to Hershey Park or others that reduce the price, or free admission and chrge for the ride, it would be different, but full price full abilities, discriminates against those with limited abilities. Just getting into and out of the attraction is often a challenge that is exhausting.

I think it's sad the price for an elderly person pays with limitations because you know they are not going to spend more then a few hours a few days at the parks. Likewise the price for someone confined to a mobility device.

There is no such thing as making a attack schedule, running for fast passes, or even knowing if the character meal will be able to be met. But, everyone wants a little Magic, and the difficult days are worth the precious memories.

We had one good day some years ago with our family member. They hiked up Splash Mountain and asked to ride it twice in a row....they never made it back, that trip or any other. But I will never forget their face to the spray of the water, and squeals of delight hitting the bottom.

There was never another day at the Kingdom with them to be had. Shame on those that thought they wanted to fit in twice the rides in half the time.
Time is fleeting....

We will have to agree to disagree. Disney shouldn't (and currently isn't) be concerned with someone's daily life, issues, struggles, hardships, limitations, etc. That's up to each individual to monitor. A company isn't responsible for making up for someone's outside struggles. While I think Disney tries to, and would love, to make everything as magical as possible... sometimes people's expectations aren't reasonable.

Everyone knows up front what the cost to get into Disney is. No one expects to take a child to a movie theater and watch half of the movie now, and half of the movie later for the same admission cost if they can't handle the entirety of the film. The parent needs to know what they can and can't handle and plan accordingly.

Any disabled child/adult has my deepest sympathies, but saying that someone should have extra privileges not given to someone else because of that is, IMO, ridiculous. The example of an elderly person I find silly. I know tons of 70+ folks who could probably run circles around me!

Just because someone *can* doesn't mean they do or have to. Just because I *can* take a toddler back to the resort for a nap and go back doesn't mean I will, that she'll want to, or that it makes any sense for us to do so. If I can't tolerate the heat for more than a few hours I wouldn't expect someone to let me onto double the amount of rides in order to accomplish what I perceive the average park goer doing with a full day. Most people don't want to be in the park all day long to accomplish those things. They stay because they have to in order to get it done. If a disabled child and a non disabled child walked into the park at the same time and stayed for the same length of time, they should have similar experiences. The disabled child shouldn't be doing 4x more than the other. And honestly, with the DAS, it's incredibly easy to double up on what someone does in the same amount of time if used properly. I think that's pretty awesome. While a non disabled child is waiting an hour to ride Peter Pan, a child with a DAS return time can be meeting a character or riding another short wait ride. They'll get 2 things done in the time it took someone else to do just 1.

No child is more deserving or special than another. Every single child deserves a magical experience walking through those gates.

 

[1girln3boys]

your stroller would have a big orange tag stating that it a stroller used as wheelchair. there are some who do not have that tag who make the attempts PP was talking about.

Then they wouldn't be in a handicapped area pushing the stroller.

 

[Ladygoldenhair]

We will have to agree to disagree. Disney shouldn't (and currently isn't) be concerned with someone's daily life, issues, struggles, hardships, limitations, etc. That's up to each individual to monitor. A company isn't responsible for making up for someone's outside struggles. While I think Disney tries to, and would love, to make everything as magical as possible... sometimes people's expectations aren't reasonable.

Everyone knows up front what the cost to get into Disney is. No one expects to take a child to a movie theater and watch half of the movie now, and half of the movie later for the same admission cost if they can't handle the entirety of the film. The parent needs to know what they can and can't handle and plan accordingly.

Any disabled child/adult has my deepest sympathies, but saying that someone should have extra privileges not given to someone else because of that is, IMO, ridiculous. The example of an elderly person I find silly. I know tons of 70+ folks who could probably run circles around me!

Just because someone *can* doesn't mean they do or have to. Just because I *can* take a toddler back to the resort for a nap and go back doesn't mean I will, that she'll want to, or that it makes any sense for us to do so. If I can't tolerate the heat for more than a few hours I wouldn't expect someone to let me onto double the amount of rides in order to accomplish what I perceive the average park goer doing with a full day. Most people don't want to be in the park all day long to accomplish those things. They stay because they have to in order to get it done. If a disabled child and a non disabled child walked into the park at the same time and stayed for the same length of time, they should have similar experiences. The disabled child shouldn't be doing 4x more than the other. And honestly, with the DAS, it's incredibly easy to double up on what someone does in the same amount of time if used properly. I think that's pretty awesome. While a non disabled child is waiting an hour to ride Peter Pan, a child with a DAS return time can be meeting a character or riding another short wait ride. They'll get 2 things done in the time it took someone else to do just 1.

No child is more deserving or special than another. Every single child deserves a magical experience walking through those gates.

I think "agree to disagree" just means feel free to disagree with me, not that we fail to agree.

But the point I was trying to state is, some parks allow for those that they realize will never make it through the day, or will never ride the roller coasters a different priced admission, or a pay per ride fee. Why should a profound disabled person pay the full price and walk into a park with those admitting them knowing they will use a smallest portion, and it not be nondiscrimatory.

Years ago Disney did have ticket books, before they realized more money is made with a one fee all day pass. They faild to price by abilities to use the facilities/attractions.

We both pay the same price to enter WDW, the healthy person has choices to the day, lots of them. A challenged person or many elderly are passive users of the attractions. They have limitations, to look at an attraction and not be able to wait, or the stamina to make it into a fe w favorites that is it. There is no question to I am done for the day, it is a body that has ceased to be able to perform, shut down, not a voluntary thing.

It would be silly to think a disabled person could get the same use of a full price admission as a non challenged could.

 

[lost*in*cyberspace]

The biggest problem with the GAC.... there were way too many people who would come in and "pretend" they had a problem just so they could skip the lines.... hey, word gets around, and since Guest Relations was not going to question the guest, the GAC was issued with whatever accommodations the guest requested--- no questions asked, no doctor's note required. Guest Relations did not have the medical background to make a judgment one way, or the other. They started keeping track of how many GACs were distributed per day, and honestly, the number was startling. We always said that there would come a day that the people who "pretended" to have a problem would ruin it for all of the people who really needed the card. We all understood the reasoning behind children who had problems with being in tight spaces, around too many people, for whatever reason. We also understood that there are people who have problems with stamina due to chronic illness that may need to expedite their visit. Do I think there should be accommodations in those cases... yes! These things need to be taken on a case by case basis, not a one size fits all situation. Was DAS the way to go? Well, it was the system authorized by the Americans with Disabilities and many focus groups that were interviewed when it became apparent that something new was needed, so it was implimented. It is in line with all of the other parks in the Orlando area. I have been on both sides... as a former castmember, and now as someone who has needed to use a wheelchair/scooter. I can empathize with the parent who has a child with special needs who just wants their child to experience the joy of Disney, but may not have the energy due to illness, or the ablilty to control meltdowns in many situations. Those parents don't want to expedite lines for the sake of "getting more done than anyone else"... they want their child to be comfortable and not cause aggravation for those around them. I can also empathize with the person in a wheelchair who waits in the standby line, only to have to wait in a new line for wheelchair access. Are there kinks that need to be worked out? Of course... nothing roles out without a few hiccups. Hopefully, with feedback, the system will become more user friendly for those who need it, but avoid the abuse that ruined the GAC. Remember, we all have one thing in common... we want to enjoy our vacations and make good memories with our families and friends. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before making judgment. One never knows when he/she may experience a similar situation.

Please don't change the default font or color. It makes your posts very difficult to read.

 

[aaarcher86]

I think "agree to disagree" just means feel free to disagree with me, not that we fail to agree.

But the point I was trying to state is, some parks allow for those that they realize will never make it through the day, or will never ride the roller coasters a different priced admission, or a pay per ride fee. Why should a profound disabled person pay the full price and walk into a park with those admitting them knowing they will use a smallest portion, and it not be nondiscrimatory.

Years ago Disney did have ticket books, before they realized more money is made with a one fee all day pass. They faild to price by abilities to use the facilities/attractions.

The term "agree to disagree" or "agreeing to disagree" is a phrase in English referring to the resolution of a conflict (usually a debate or quarrel) whereby all parties tolerate but do not accept the opposing position(s).

It's not discrimination. They aren't charging you MORE than they charge anyone else. Someone may want to pay that price to simply visit characters and watch the parade. Disney is more than rides, and they have no way of knowing why people are coming or what they're wanting to do.

Going to a theme park is a choice - knowing the price and knowing how much this person can do a day is entirely optional and up to them. It's not a secret that they won't be able to do certain things when they decide to spend the advertised amount of money for admission. But not having a disability discount is not discrimination. Everyone is free to say 'thanks, but no thanks.'

 

[buffettgirl]

I think "agree to disagree" just means feel free to disagree with me, not that we fail to agree.

But the point I was trying to state is, some parks allow for those that they realize will never make it through the day, or will never ride the roller coasters a different priced admission, or a pay per ride fee. Why should a profound disabled person pay the full price and walk into a park with those admitting them knowing they will use a smallest portion, and it not be nondiscrimatory.

Years ago Disney did have ticket books, before they realized more money is made with a one fee all day pass. They faild to price by abilities to use the facilities/attractions.

It's non-discriminatory because you are paying for access to the park. Period. Everyone is paying for access to the park. You are not paying for how many rides you ride, you're not paying for how many shows you see, you're not paying for how many character signatures you get. And despite people's believe, you're not paying for how much "magic" you have bestowed upon you.

But your latter statement sums it up - Disney realized that by charging per ride, they were not making enough money so their system was changed. Why weren't they making money? Because many people were there for stuff other than rides. The whole disney "thing". And again, you're making the assumption that only the disabled are the ones who do not ride rides and somehow they deserve to only pay a fraction of what everyone else pays.

We've been round and round with this - what about the family with the toddler/grandparent/kid who gets sunburned/mom who gets a blister, who has to leave after a hours? What about my dad who doesn't do any rides but accompanies us on nearly every trip? Should all these people pay less?

Someone up thread said it nicely - no one would expect to pay less if they had to leave a movie early. You're paying to gain access to that theater. It's the same at disney.

 

[afnaechiquita]

Then they wouldn't be in a handicapped area pushing the stroller.

i assume by they, you mean people pushing a stroller without a wheelchair tag. it's not a wouldn't situation, it's that they should not be in the wheelchair/ECV-only accessible area. but people believe they are above the rules. that's why they park in handicap spaces without a placard. that's why people make faux claims to get a GAC/DAS and what this whole thread started with.

PP stated they have no problem calling out those who visibly (read: are not in a wheelchair/ecv/stroller tagged as wheelchair) do not have a need to be in that area. nothing wrong with that. if your child medically needs to stay in the stroller, you need to go to GR and get the tag so that CMs can recognize it and allow you in that area.

 

[SteveMouse]

Someone posted earlier: "It would be silly to think a disabled person could get the same use of a full price admission as a non challenged could."

Um. Why? Especially if the facility is accessible (from a mobility perspective, for example), someone who happens to use a chair or ECV could ride every ride and get every bit as much of joy out of the experience as someone without a disability.

 

[SteveMouse]

Someone up thread said it nicely - no one would expect to pay less if they had to leave a movie early. You're paying to gain access to that theater. It's the same at disney.

No, I'm paying for a seat in the theater and, from a mobility aid perspective, there are regulations in place to help ensure I get to be in a place where I can see the show, not just be in the theater.

 

[buffettgirl]

Someone up thread said it nicely - no one would expect to pay less if they had to leave a movie early. You're paying to gain access to that theater. It's the same at disney.

No, I'm paying for a seat in the theater and, from a mobility aid perspective, there are regulations in place to help ensure I get to be in a place where I can see the show, not just be in the theater.

That's what I meant by 'access to that theater'. We're saying the same thing. By access I meant, encompassing the ability to get into the theater and a place to see the movie, in an equal manner.

 

[clanmcculloch]

It is NOT up to individuals to bully or berate those who are in the separate accessible waiting areas without a tag on their strollers. They do NOT make your wait long because they NOT be given access to the attraction when the CM does not see a stroller tag. How do you know that the person isn't just keeping the tag in her purse until a CM asks to see it because she had been bullied by somebody who saw the tag? I don't know their story and frankly I don't care and it's not like their presence in the area will ultimately impact my ability to ride/see a show (as I said, the CMs will expect to see a tag or they've already shown a tag to get into the area so either they belong there but aren't telling you or they'll be sent out of the area). I'm not the line police. I'm responsible for my family and I certainly don't want to teach my children passive aggressive bullying which is exactly what this is in my eyes.

We don't get nearly as much park time as the average guest or even the majority of guests because of my autistic daughter's limitations. We can only go to parks 2 days in a row before we have to take a full day at our resort for her to decompress. On days we do go to parks we have to leave once we've had lunch or else she won't be able to cope and we'll have to take yet another full day at the resort. For our upcoming 9 night/10 day trip we'll only be in parks 6 days. It never EVER occurred to me that we should pay less than anybody else or that Disney is obligated to let us wait shorter times because of this. The former GAC was far beyond what the ADA requires and frankly IMO the DAS is even beyond what's required by the ADA. Not a lot of businesses give this kind of accommodation but Disney does. Is it different than before? Yes. Does that mean we can't make it work? Of course not. I can see how it would be difficult for groups where the person with cognitive difficulties can't understand heading to the attraction and then coming back later but there's no second adult to run to get the return time. I wish there was something that could be done about this like maybe down the road tying the DAS to MDE in some way to book the returns but for now it does stink. It's still not a violation of the ADA. McDonald's isn't required to have a quiet area to wait. Lots of places aren't required to do this. I'm grateful for what they DO. Without FP+ I'd probably end up using the DAS 1 or 2 times per day (I plan so that we get to attractions when there's minimal waits). With FP+ I'm actually thinking we likely won't even need to use it. And I love that FP+ will allow us to be even further behind the big RD crowd. Use your DAS for attractions that build wait times quickly and do all the attractions with minimal waits while waiting for that return time. We did this with RSR at DL this summer and it worked beautifully.

 

[Coonhound]

I think "agree to disagree" just means feel free to disagree with me, not that we fail to agree.

But the point I was trying to state is, some parks allow for those that they realize will never make it through the day, or will never ride the roller coasters a different priced admission, or a pay per ride fee. Why should a profound disabled person pay the full price and walk into a park with those admitting them knowing they will use a smallest portion, and it not be nondiscrimatory.

Years ago Disney did have ticket books, before they realized more money is made with a one fee all day pass. They faild to price by abilities to use the facilities/attractions.

We both pay the same price to enter WDW, the healthy person has choices to the day, lots of them. A challenged person or many elderly are passive users of the attractions. They have limitations, to look at an attraction and not be able to wait, or the stamina to make it into a fe w favorites that is it. There is no question to I am done for the day, it is a body that has ceased to be able to perform, shut down, not a voluntary thing.

It would be silly to think a disabled person could get the same use of a full price admission as a non challenged could.

I understand that disabled people may not get as much use our of their full price admission as a non challenged person would.

However, you know what Disney tickets cost, and if you want to go, you purchase and...like anyone, you just do what you can do with the time you have!

It would be impossible for Disney to decide certain people will pay half price instead of full price because they can't do as much.
That would be so silly because Disney would have to know exactly how much each person can take and they'd have to decide, well this person has no disabilities but since they are 75 years old they probably won't ride on much so we won't charge them much, ok this person is a veteran they shouldn't have to pay full price, this person has epilepsy and may not be able to do the full day but they might so let's wait and see if they have a seizure and then we will refund part of the ticket if they have to leave..
Etc,

There is no way Disney can try to make every persons experience exactly equal in their parks, and frankly, they don't need to. They need to provide access. And once they have done that (and they have) then their job is done.
It's up to you as a parent to know what you can and can't do in how much time you will have, and then to decide for yourself if the cost of the day's admission is worth it to you. If you can only do two hours a day in the parks, then maybe you will decide that it just isn't worth paying for a day to only get two hours, and you decide to go somewhere else instead. Or, maybe you decide it's Disney so it's totally worth paying for the ticket even if we can only do two hours in the park.
It's a personal choice.

 

[Belle1386]

I guess you have to walk the shoes to understand, one can never understand/opion on that adversity unless they experience it. Those two rides may be the only two the toddler , adolescent, or adult with different abilities will ride all day, maybe for a few days.

Unlike a toddler with melt downs that rest at the hotel and later or the next be in commando mode. You still pay the same admission.....maybe if like years ago when we went to Hershey Park or others that reduce the price, or free admission and chrge for the ride, it would be different, but full price full abilities, discriminates against those with limited abilities. Just getting into and out of the attraction is often a challenge that is exhausting.

I think it's sad the price for an elderly person pays with limitations because you know they are not going to spend more then a few hours a few days at the parks. Likewise the price for someone confined to a mobility device.

There is no such thing as making a attack schedule, running for fast passes, or even knowing if the character meal will be able to be met. But, everyone wants a little Magic, and the difficult days are worth the precious memories.

We had one good day some years ago with our family member. They hiked up Splash Mountain and asked to ride it twice in a row....they never made it back, that trip or any other. But I will never forget their face to the spray of the water, and squeals of delight hitting the bottom.

There was never another day at the Kingdom with them to be had. Shame on those that thought they wanted to fit in twice the rides in half the time.
Time is fleeting....

These are exactly the people of whom I was speaking when I said that some form of accommodation should be made. I am ashamed that so many people who are in good health and obviously have never been in the situation some of these families live with daily, would be so selfish as to be upset about someone who may never get to return to a park, like the relative of LadyGoldenHair. Please, before you jump to the conclusion that someone is "faking" it, or doesn't deserve a little extra consideration, put yourself in their shoes and walk around for a day. It is not that much of an inconvenience to those of us who are healthy to help someone else enjoy the magic. The attitudes I have been reading make me want to cry. We are becoming an "It's All About Me" society, and it's really sad.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Then they wouldn't be in a handicapped area pushing the stroller.

Yes, they/youwould be. This was the exact porpose of the "stroller as wheelchair" tag