LOST - Last Season (NO SPOILERS)

[Heidict]

She didn't say she got there from a shipwreck, she said she arrived like the real mother -- "by accident."

I interpreted that as meaning a "boating accident", like their real mother had. I'm probably wrong though because when it comes to this show, I generally am. :rotfl

 

[Mrs.Toad]

We do know that Esau was firstborn because he was set to inherit everything. This however could be a minor inconsistency that amounts to nothing.

I don't think he was, though. After the first baby was born, Claudia said "his name is Jacob", and the "mother" wrapped him in white. When the second was born, she wrapped him in brown, put him next to the first, and you could see the first, Jacob, was the fairer baby.

The other thing I noticed in that scene was when Jacob was born, the "mom" seemed so happy, the way she said "it's a boy", like she knew he was meant for something. Then she seemed sort of sad when the MIB was born, and she said "it's another boy" in more of a worrried tone, like she knew that meant something.

I'm seriously confused about the MIB. If his bones were in the cave, he's dead. Right? But earlier in the season, he was on the beach with Jacob (the "loophole" conversation). Can he not kill Jacob because he is a protector of the island? Does Smokey just take the form of anyone who has died?

I think when MIB was on the beach with Jacob, it was just Smokey's manifestation of himself as MIB, similar to how he took on the look of Jack's father and others. I can't remember now, did we ever see MIB with anyone other than Jacob? Were we just seeing what Jacob saw, similar to when Jack saw his dad?

The problem with that theory though, is who was the dead Claudia that appeared before MIB became Smokey? Was the "mother" Smokey before MIB was? I'm thinking now maybe she was, but hid it well from the kids, because how else was she able to kill that whole village of people single-handedly?

1. I don't think MIB is Esau. If it was I can't imagine why they wouldn't just say it. I'll be REALLY annoyed if his name is Bob. Bob the smoke monster.

Bob the smoke monster. I love it!

I think in that fight MIB ends up unconscious. When Jacob sent him into the light, I think the light caused MIB's spirit/consciousness to separate from the body and it became Smokie, and left the body behind. Smokie has the ability to take the form of other bodies, and can assume his own MIB form for conversing with Jacob.

I think this explains it very well.

Smokey is MIB, in a different form, so when he visited Jacob as MIB, he was still MIB. He was also MIB when he appeared to Jack as his father, to Kate as the horse, to Eko as his brother, etc. Smokey/MIB has inhabited Locke's body, but he's still MIB.

 

[N.Bailey]

I don't think he was, though. After the first baby was born, Claudia said "his name is Jacob", and the "mother" wrapped him in white. When the second was born, she wrapped him in brown, put him next to the first, and you could see the first, Jacob, was the fairer baby.

That was the point I was making. The REAL Esau was firstborn, yet in this story, Jacob is the firstborn. I was saying it could be a minor inconsistency and wouldn't necessarily point to the MIB not being Esau.

I'm not saying he is mind you, I'm only theorizing about the possibility.

 

[N.Bailey]

I don't know where to start so this will be random.

1. I don't think MIB is Esau. If it was I can't imagine why they wouldn't just say it. I'll be REALLY annoyed if his name is Bob. Bob the smoke monster.
2. I too am confused with whether he died or what. I think that the MIB is really gone and the one we've grown accustomed to is purely the smoke monster. If there was some part of MIB in smokey, then I would think some part of John would be in Flocke? Or is it just all of his memories, or maybe since MIB became the first thing smokey jumped into.
3. The good vs evil thing is annoying me too. Obviously neither of these people are purely good. Jacob may be purely evil I guess. He's a whiny little brat at the very least.
4. What the heck is the light? Is the island like the garden of Eden or something? Smokey being the serpent?
5. Was "mother" a witch or something? How did she know what she knew? How did she make it so they couldn't kill each other, yet it appeared that Jacob killed MIB.

I think I'm more confused now than ever. I'm going to hold on to my epilogue theory though, it's the only thing I have left!

We're not too far from finding out, but I don't think the epilogue theory holds up. It's downright impossible now that Sayid, Jin, Sun, etc... are already dead.

I'm not suggesting anyone need this definition, but taking it at face value, how can we say this is what will eventually happen to people who are dead?

noun: a short passage added at the end of a literary work ("The epilogue told what eventually happened to the main characters")

Perhaps you're meaning it in another way though?

 

[Mrs.Toad]

That was the point I was making. The REAL Esau was firstborn, yet in this story, Jacob is the firstborn. I was saying it could be a minor inconsistency and wouldn't necessarily point to the MIB not being Esau.

I'm not saying he is mind you, I'm only theorizing about the possibility.

Oh, now I get it! Sorry, sometimes it takes me a while!

 

[harleyquinn]

Bob the smoke monster. I love it!

We're not too far from finding out, but I don't think the epilogue theory holds up. It's downright impossible now that Sayid, Jin, Sun, etc... are already dead.

I'm not suggesting anyone need this definition, but taking it at face value, how can we say this is what will eventually happen to people who are dead?

noun: a short passage added at the end of a literary work ("The epilogue told what eventually happened to the main characters")

Perhaps you're meaning it in another way though?

Aww, come on, this is Lost! Anything can happen!

Maybe Des will use the light to reset things so eveyone doesn't die?
The island has time traveled before, why is it such a stretch now?

Ack has a great recap on her site with some great comments.

I can't believe it's almost over!!

 

[ibouncetoo]

Bio mom was Claudia. Allison Janney was only called "Mother."

I'm seriously confused about the MIB. If his bones were in the cave, he's dead. Right? But earlier in the season, he was on the beach with Jacob (the "loophole" conversation). Can he not kill Jacob because he is a protector of the island? Does Smokey just take the form of anyone who has died?

Yes, and MIB died, so Smokey can take his form.

So, I'm wondering, did MIB going into the light RELEASE Smokey, or did some aspect of MIB BECOME Smokey?

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[ibouncetoo]

Haven't finished reading all of today's post yet....


MIB was able to kill 'mom' becuase he snuck up behind her and stabbed her BEFORE SHE COULD SPEAK. Remember, when Sayaid was "Hello, Sayid" before he was stabbed.

...now what I don't remember is when Ben killed Jacob, I was sure there was conversation going on, but perhaps Jacob was only speaking TO Flock and not TO Ben?????

Jacob was able to kill MIB because MIB had not had the drink 'mom' made and gave to Jacob...she said 'now you are like me'...I took that to mean 'imortal'.


...back to see what you all are saying....

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[ibouncetoo]

I'm sticking with the theory that Desmond & Jack will set things right and the sideways timeline we have been watching will become the 'reality' for our losties.

I expect James (Sawyer) to walk into a coffee shop and meet Julia before this is over!

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[caribear]

I expect James (Sawyer) to walk into a coffee shop and meet Julia before this is over!

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I expect to see this scene also!

Okay, so I just rewatched the episode.......who thinks that the "mother" had some aspect of "smokey" in her?? That is why she knows never to go into the light as it is a fate worse than death....plus the destruction of the camp could not have been made by a single women...looked like the work of "smokey." She was also glad to be killed as she thanked her son......maybe she wanted to be set free from the "smoke" ?????

 

[Mary•Poppins]

I kept thinking that Jacob was the GOOD one ... now, I think it is MIB??

I keep thinking the sideways stories are maybe what happens if MIB get off the island??? We saw what their lives were before they crashed and maybe they were that way because Jacob influenced them.

Gosh ... I don't want this show to be over!

 

[nmmom95]

I kept thinking that Jacob was the GOOD one ... now, I think it is MIB??

I keep thinking the sideways stories are maybe what happens if MIB get off the island??? We saw what their lives were before they crashed and maybe they were that way because Jacob influenced them.

Gosh ... I don't want this show to be over!

I didn't think of that. That is a great theory! I am definitely going to miss this show.

 

[N.Bailey]

Aww, come on, this is Lost! Anything can happen!

Maybe Des will use the light to reset things so eveyone doesn't die?
The island has time traveled before, why is it such a stretch now?

Ack has a great recap on her site with some great comments.

I can't believe it's almost over!!

Well, you won't get any argument from me on this!!! I don't think anyone could argue this logic where Lost is concerned. lol

 

[N.Bailey]

Yes, and MIB died, so Smokey can take his form.

So, I'm wondering, did MIB going into the light RELEASE Smokey, or did some aspect of MIB BECOME Smokey?

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IMO, and it's ONLY that, I think the MIB is somehow inside of Smokey on some level. The fact that all Smokey seems to want is, to leave that Island, and how he mentions his crazy mother, then, combined with the fact that the fake mother said going into the light would be worse than death, I have to believe that while his body may be gone physically (well, his corpse is in the cave), his soul is in there in some capacity.

I do believe he's good and I do believe he wants all the candidates dead so that they don't take over the evil role that Jacob held. Obviously the MIB has darkness in him too (which has been stated that all men have in them). He thought man to be greedy, selfish, yada, yada, yada (forget all the adjectives he used). He felt that long before he became Smokey. I don't think he's exactly, "Christ like," but I don't think he's a monster (figuratively speaking, because technically he is, ROFLMAO). He didn't want Clair dead. He wanted the candidates dead. Candidates that I believe will become evil if they take over the role of Jacob (likely Jack). The dark side in him however, he wasn't going to go out of his way to protect Kate if Claire wanted to kill her either.

The mother was evil! She said that her and Jacob are now the same. I can't see how that's a good thing.

 

[N.Bailey]

Haven't finished reading all of today's post yet....


MIB was able to kill 'mom' becuase he snuck up behind her and stabbed her BEFORE SHE COULD SPEAK. Remember, when Sayaid was "Hello, Sayid" before he was stabbed.

...now what I don't remember is when Ben killed Jacob, I was sure there was conversation going on, but perhaps Jacob was only speaking TO Flock and not TO Ben?????

Jacob was able to kill MIB because MIB had not had the drink 'mom' made and gave to Jacob...she said 'now you are like me'...I took that to mean 'imortal'.


...back to see what you all are saying....

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Since she's dead, it can't be immortality. I think it's pure evil.

 

[muffyn]

Is there something that we don't know about that prevents Smokey from killing Jacob, no matter what form he's in? And Smokey can't kill the candidates either. So Jack is right - they don't have to be afraid of Smokey because he can't hurt them.

but how many of the people brought to the island were candidates?
wasn't mr.eko? smokey killed him

 

[muffyn]

What were the two languages the women were speaking in the beginning? It sounded like the natural mother was speaking an old Castillian dialect, but I didn't recognize the language Allison Janney was speaking.

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subtitles (closed caption) said latin

 

[Experiment_626]

but how many of the people brought to the island were candidates?
wasn't mr.eko? smokey killed him

Eko's name hasn't appeared on any of the lists we've seen.

 

[The Orchid]

I expect to see this scene also!

Okay, so I just rewatched the episode.......who thinks that the "mother" had some aspect of "smokey" in her?? That is why she knows never to go into the light as it is a fate worse than death....plus the destruction of the camp could not have been made by a single women...looked like the work of "smokey." She was also glad to be killed as she thanked her son......maybe she wanted to be set free from the "smoke" ?????

These are all fantastic points! You're right, there is no way that "mom" could have killed all those people. She seemed very tormented, and it's true, she was happy to die. I think that as you say, she knew not to go into the light because she had done it and had a terrible outcome. I think you are spot on.

 

[gometros]

subtitles (closed caption) said latin

Interesting. i would have sworn the biological mother was speaking some dialect of Spanish. At least I thought I understood her without the subtitles. Yeah, yeah, I know Latin is a romance language too, but trust me, I don't know much Latin past Vini, vidi, vici and E Pluribus Unum