LOST - Last Season (NO SPOILERS)

[N.Bailey]

I didn't really care to much for this episode. I don't think I have ever said that about Lost before now. We now know that Smokey was released when the body went into the light tunnel...and then took the form of MIB....we saw the beginning of the "donkey wheel," but I still feel like it was an empty episode.

I disagree. I think we needed the back story to be able to move forward. We got a lot of answers, but as is customary with Lost, got a lot more questions in the process.

 

[Trish5768]

Well, if MIB had already died, why couldn't Smokey (in MIB's body) kill Jacob? Even if being in MIB's body/form was what prevented Smokey from killing Jacob, why couldn't he do it while he was in Locke's form? Why did he need to get Ben to do it?

Is there something that we don't know about that prevents Smokey from killing Jacob, no matter what form he's in? And Smokey can't kill the candidates either. So Jack is right - they don't have to be afraid of Smokey because he can't hurt them.

My theory on this is that whatever his Mom had him drink at the light prevents him from being killed by Smokey. I also think that maybe since he picked who comes to the island they are protected as well. JMHO

 

[crz4mm2]

my theory on this is that whatever his mom had him drink at the light prevents him from being killed by smokey. I also think that maybe since he picked who comes to the island they are protected as well. Jmho

mte.

 

[N.Bailey]

Ok, last night's show totally confused me. As far as I can tell, the only thing we learned last night was who Adam and Eve are, and we now know for sure that Jacob and MIB are brothers. Can somebody help me understand something?

So it looks like Smokey was "living" in that cave where the light was, right? Now, the "mother" told Jacob and his brother (I can't believe they STILL haven't told us MIB's name) that they can never kill each other. So when Jacob shoved MIB into the light cave, MIB was still alive. Since Jacob found MIB's body and put it in the cave with his "mother" to be Adam and Eve, I assume that Smokey is the one who killed MIB. Right? And then Smokey took MIB's form until he had some other dead bodies (Christian, Locke) that he could inhabit.

BUT.....the end of last season when Jacob and MIB are sitting on the beach and MIB says how much he wants to kill Jacob and how he'll find a loophole. That loophole was MIB/Smokey taking over Locke's body and convincing Ben to kill Jacob.

Well, if MIB had already died, why couldn't Smokey (in MIB's body) kill Jacob? Even if being in MIB's body/form was what prevented Smokey from killing Jacob, why couldn't he do it while he was in Locke's form? Why did he need to get Ben to do it?

Is there something that we don't know about that prevents Smokey from killing Jacob, no matter what form he's in? And Smokey can't kill the candidates either. So Jack is right - they don't have to be afraid of Smokey because he can't hurt them.

It's just speculation, but I'd imagine there is a part of the MIB in Smokey. I believe this because of the reasons you've stated above (can't kill Jacob), but I also believe it because all the MIB wanted was to get off that Island. It appears to be Smokey's only goal. Him speaking of his mother issues sort of confirms it as well. Though I'm not sure his mother suffered from the same type of, "crazy" as Claire and Danielle.

The fact that, "mother" also mentioned that going into the light would be worse than death sort of confirms that the MIB isn't entirely dead too.

He (Flocke) MAY want the candidates dead because the one who is chosen will be nothing but pure evil once they assume the role of, Jacob.

 

[gometros]

What were the two languages the women were speaking in the beginning? It sounded like the natural mother was speaking an old Castillian dialect, but I didn't recognize the language Allison Janney was speaking.

A lot has been made about the fact that they still haven't named the MIB, but isn't anyone thinking that now knowing they're brothers, his name should be Esau?

 

[Trish5768]

She also said that everyone has a little bit of light in them and if anyone went in there the light would go out. Maybe MIB going in there released the "darkness".

 

[N.Bailey]

She also said that everyone has a little bit of light in them and if anyone went in there the light would go out. Maybe MIB going in there released the "darkness".

Flocke also said the same thing to Sawyer when they were in that cave (think it was the Lighthouse, where we saw the candidates names on the ceiling). We see a scale there that was slightly leaning toward the dark side.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Ok, last night's show totally confused me. As far as I can tell, the only thing we learned last night was who Adam and Eve are, and we now know for sure that Jacob and MIB are brothers. Can somebody help me understand something?

So it looks like Smokey was "living" in that cave where the light was, right? Now, the "mother" told Jacob and his brother (I can't believe they STILL haven't told us MIB's name) that they can never kill each other. So when Jacob shoved MIB into the light cave, MIB was still alive. Since Jacob found MIB's body and put it in the cave with his "mother" to be Adam and Eve, I assume that Smokey is the one who killed MIB. Right? And then Smokey took MIB's form until he had some other dead bodies (Christian, Locke) that he could inhabit.

BUT.....the end of last season when Jacob and MIB are sitting on the beach and MIB says how much he wants to kill Jacob and how he'll find a loophole. That loophole was MIB/Smokey taking over Locke's body and convincing Ben to kill Jacob.

Well, if MIB had already died, why couldn't Smokey (in MIB's body) kill Jacob? Even if being in MIB's body/form was what prevented Smokey from killing Jacob, why couldn't he do it while he was in Locke's form? Why did he need to get Ben to do it?

Is there something that we don't know about that prevents Smokey from killing Jacob, no matter what form he's in? And Smokey can't kill the candidates either. So Jack is right - they don't have to be afraid of Smokey because he can't hurt them.

I don't think Smokey killed MIB, I think MIB became Smokey. That's why he still couldn't kill Jacob. Remember the "mother" said that going into the light didn't mean death, but was worse than death?

 

[AshleyW]

What were the two languages the women were speaking in the beginning? It sounded like the natural mother was speaking an old Castillian dialect, but I didn't recognize the language Allison Janney was speaking.

A lot has been made about the fact that they still haven't named the MIB, but isn't anyone thinking that now knowing they're brothers, his name should be Esau?

I was thinking they were speaking Latin. I could be wrong, though.

 

[N.Bailey]

What were the two languages the women were speaking in the beginning? It sounded like the natural mother was speaking an old Castillian dialect, but I didn't recognize the language Allison Janney was speaking.

A lot has been made about the fact that they still haven't named the MIB, but isn't anyone thinking that now knowing they're brothers, his name should be Esau?

I'd forgotten all about Esau. Well, I don't know if I forgot, but I certainly haven't given it any thought lately.

Great point, especially considering they are twins. And even more so, fraternal twins rather than identical.

Did we find out their mother's name last night? Was it Rebekah if we did? Anyone recall?

We do know that Esau was firstborn because he was set to inherit everything. This however could be a minor inconsistency that amounts to nothing.

Another thing is that Jacob believed (and there probably was truth to it) that the MIB was suppose to take over (inherit) his mothers duties of protecting the light. This could be Lost's way having Jacob assume the MIB's inheritance. We also know that Esau vowed that he'd kill Jacob for this.

As for the languages, I'd be curious to know if the bio mom was speaking Hebrew?

 

[swandiverpatt]

She says she came to the island from a shipwreck, but how would she know about what the light was and that it needed to be protected?

She didn't say she got there from a shipwreck, she said she arrived like the real mother -- "by accident."

I assume the name of MIB is important, since it wasn't mentioned last night.

What confused/intrigued me was the fact that the women did not speak the same language, but after the first couple of exchanges they understood each other. Huh?

I think MIB turned into Smokey by entering the light cave and will be able to assume his form later (there have been scenes with Jacob and MIB later that I'd assume happened after MIB's transformation).

The babies were put in white and dark blankets at the time of their birth.

With all of this, my DD last night said, "I give up!"

 

[caribear]

I disagree. I think we needed the back story to be able to move forward. We got a lot of answers, but as is customary with Lost, got a lot more questions in the process.

Don't get me wrong...I agree we needed the back story, but I think we should have received more answers/information....not more questions at this point in the series.

Now I remember the "mother" saying the "they come, they fight....it all ends the same" line....this is the same line MIB says to Jacob on the beach in an episode. So why would the "mother" and MIB share the same theory?? I would think the "mother" and Jacob would have more in common after seeing last night's show, yet MIB agrees with the mother.

 

[N.Bailey]

I have a thought and it assumes the position that Jacob is actually the evil one.

Remember when it's been stated that everyone gets a new chance on the Island? I think many have said this over the years, but I believe Jacob has also said it. That would mean, nothing they'd done prior to arriving on the Island counts, but everything from that point on does.

Then we have the Oceanic 6. Let's think about what they did off Island. Sayid works for Ben, killing many people. Hurley is a sweetie, but he didn't do anything spectacular. Jack becomes an inept drunk. Sun (rightfully so), looks to punish Ben for Jin's death and seeks revenge against her father by buying majority stock in his company. Aaron, well, what could he do?

That leaves us with Kate. She made a sacrifice by coming back to the Island to save Claire. She's the only who really did anything positive for someone other than herself.

Could this be the reason why she is no longer a candidate?

 

[nmmom95]

Did we find out their mother's name last night? Was it Rebekah if we did? Anyone recall?

Bio mom was Claudia. Allison Janney was only called "Mother."

I'm seriously confused about the MIB. If his bones were in the cave, he's dead. Right? But earlier in the season, he was on the beach with Jacob (the "loophole" conversation). Can he not kill Jacob because he is a protector of the island? Does Smokey just take the form of anyone who has died?

 

[nmmom95]

I actually started to believe that Jacob was the evil one when Richard put his cross back on after he became disillusioned with Jacob.

 

[harleyquinn]

I don't know where to start so this will be random.

1. I don't think MIB is Esau. If it was I can't imagine why they wouldn't just say it. I'll be REALLY annoyed if his name is Bob. Bob the smoke monster.
2. I too am confused with whether he died or what. I think that the MIB is really gone and the one we've grown accustomed to is purely the smoke monster. If there was some part of MIB in smokey, then I would think some part of John would be in Flocke? Or is it just all of his memories, or maybe since MIB became the first thing smokey jumped into.
3. The good vs evil thing is annoying me too. Obviously neither of these people are purely good. Jacob may be purely evil I guess. He's a whiny little brat at the very least.
4. What the heck is the light? Is the island like the garden of Eden or something? Smokey being the serpent?
5. Was "mother" a witch or something? How did she know what she knew? How did she make it so they couldn't kill each other, yet it appeared that Jacob killed MIB.

I think I'm more confused now than ever. I'm going to hold on to my epilogue theory though, it's the only thing I have left!

 

[Poohbear123]

I don't think Smokey killed MIB, I think MIB became Smokey. That's why he still couldn't kill Jacob. Remember the "mother" said that going into the light didn't mean death, but was worse than death?

This is what I think also!

 

[debknight]

And "mother" never aged, yet the babies grew into thirteen year olds and then at the end they were forty-three years old. She should have been like seventy at the time of her death!

 

[LuvBaloo]

I thought it was interesting that they had the brothers in dark and light baby blankets and then dark & light shirts throughout the entire episode.

The "mother" said they couldn't leave and I think she did something to them as babies to "attach" them to the island. Similar to making Jacob drink that drink when she made him the guardian.

I thought it was interesting that MIB was definitely more of the thinker/leader and Jacob was the follower. He blindly followed Mother's rules. Even when he first played the game with MIB and then tried to not tell her, he only lasted a few minutes and then confessed.

I think something had been done to the Mother years before to attach her to the island as well. She said thank you after MIB killed her. Like he was releasing her from being trapped.

When MIB left as a boy and tried to get Jacob to go with him, Jacob went into the rage and beat him up. It didn't seem as if MIB fought back very hard. Same thing after MIB killed Mother and then Jacob beat him up, it didn't seem that he tried very hard. I think in that fight MIB ends up unconscious. When Jacob sent him into the light, I think the light caused MIB's spirit/consciousness to separate from the body and it became Smokie, and left the body behind. Smokie has the ability to take the form of other bodies, and can assume his own MIB form for conversing with Jacob.

Overall I enjoyed the episode, and it did a good job of making Jacob appear worse and MIB appear better. MIB has definitely turned more bitter and angry and violent over the years as he struggles to get off the island.

I'm still confused as to how Jacob can leave the island though???

 

[jeanadave]

According to closed caption (I think it drives hubby crazy, but I'm always worried I won't understand something someone said), the language spoken by both "mothers" at the beginning was Latin.