Looks like the park reservation system is here to stay.

Of course they are trying to increase profits. Why wouldn’t they?
Because they are in the hospitality business, and an unpleasant experiences kills repeat business.

I keep seeing this “profits above all” attitude lately. Disney survived 50 years without this mentality

Many busniesses will fail in the next 20 years due to this profits only attitude.

You have to run a GOOD business , not just a profitable one to survive.
 
Because they are in the hospitality business, and an unpleasant experiences kills repeat business.

I keep seeing this “profits above all” attitude lately. Disney survived 50 years without this mentality

Many busniesses will fail in the next 20 years due to this profits only attitude.

You have to run a GOOD business , not just a profitable one to survive.

If they only cared about profits they wouldn't have priced their Disneyland Annual Passes so low that they were sold out within 1 month. They must have cared about consumer reaction otherwise they would have doubled the price.
 
If they only cared about profits they wouldn't have priced their Disneyland Annual Passes so low that they were sold out within 1 month. They must have cared about consumer reaction otherwise they would have doubled the price.
This was less about them caring and more about them under predicting the market demand. I'm sure if they could take it back and increase that price they would.
 

Anyone know if there is any method to when they open reservation windows?
 
Just making sure you actually meant to say that smart business is not maximizing profits?

That's correct. If I owned my own business my goal would be to balance profits with guest satisfaction so that my company lasted for my entire career.

Great example. Disney used to run The sea racers at the lake resorts at a loss because it drove guest satisfaction. Guest satisfaction then caused people to patronize the resorts and spend money on park tickets, food, merchandise etc.

When you solely focus on profit the long term prospects for your company will fade.
 
I dislike the park reservation system more than any other change. It makes it more difficult to coordinate much coveted dining reservations for one. BWV is our home resort and chose it for a reason, We can walk over to HS and EPCOT. We could stroll through EPCOT and jump the monorail to MK. Well before the reservation system. It's no longer possible. Maybe a bit petty but we enjoyed it. We only needed bus transportation one day to AK. And if someone is unwell on that hard to get park day? It's too bad.
 
I dislike the park reservation system more than any other change. It makes it more difficult to coordinate much coveted dining reservations for one. BWV is our home resort and chose it for a reason, We can walk over to HS and EPCOT. We could stroll through EPCOT and jump the monorail to MK. Well before the reservation system. It's no longer possible. Maybe a bit petty but we enjoyed it. We only needed bus transportation one day to AK. And if someone is unwell on that hard to get park day? It's too bad.

I agree. Some of our favorite restaurants are in EPCOT. We liked staying at Beach Club or Boardwalk so we could go to one park in the morning and get an early lunch. Then go back to the resort for some pool time or rest in the heat of the day. Then catch an early dinner in Epcot, and after that go to HS or MK if they have late hours that night. We very often would end up at 3 parks in a day if you count dinner in Epcot. Not sure how this new system will impact that schedule.
 
I agree. Some of our favorite restaurants are in EPCOT. We liked staying at Beach Club or Boardwalk so we could go to one park in the morning and get an early lunch. Then go back to the resort for some pool time or rest in the heat of the day. Then catch an early dinner in Epcot, and after that go to HS or MK if they have late hours that night. We very often would end up at 3 parks in a day if you count dinner in Epcot. Not sure how this new system will impact that schedule.
It will be difficult to do three with shorter park hours. You can still visit one in the morning, have pool time and dinner in EPCOT.
 
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If they only cared about profits they wouldn't have priced their Disneyland Annual Passes so low that they were sold out within 1 month. They must have cared about consumer reaction otherwise they would have doubled the price.
Our AP increased significantly with no DVC discount this year. They have also removed a number of perks. It has doubled in the last few years. Maybe they've sold out due to the limited number provided not because they were cheap?
 
Our AP increased significantly with no DVC discount this year. They have also removed a number of perks. It has doubled in the last few years. Maybe they've sold out due to the limited number provided not because they were cheap?
I am a bit surprised that they even offer a pass that allows people to go dozens of times per year. I was expecting the new passes to move to a points system like DVC does
 
I am a bit surprised that they even offer a pass that allows people to go dozens of times per year. I was expecting the new passes to move to a points system like DVC does
Well we have a LOT of points! Enough to spend 3-4 weeks in the world …easily. More if we moved to a studio or one bedroom. A one week ticket is almost as much as an annual pass. It’s a slap in the face. I guess they want these points back since they are way more valuable now since our purchase

FYI It wasn’t dozens of visits. We normally did a week with the younger DGKs, another with the older ones and maybe a visit...just the two of us. It left enough left over for a big trip every couple of years.

There’s a lot of us lol. Now at ELEVEN grandkids. Disney has made it difficult in recent years for us to visit at the same time.
 
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I would rather deal with the Park pass reserve system if they brought back park hopping at any time, we used to love hitting a park in the morning leaving at 11 and hitting another park at lunch time, it seems that 2 pm is a little too late especially for AK. There is no reason for not letting people park hop at anytime especially if they see a park is OVERLY crowded while another park is less so.
 
I would rather deal with the Park pass reserve system if they brought back park hopping at any time, we used to love hitting a park in the morning leaving at 11 and hitting another park at lunch time, it seems that 2 pm is a little too late especially for AK. There is no reason for not letting people park hop at anytime especially if they see a park is OVERLY crowded while another park is less so.
I totally agree. Just having to scan into your reservation park first at WDW would deter a lot from hopping early because of the amount of time it takes to get from one park to another at WDW. There have been times that we have been unable to get a specific dining reservation on our planned park day, and have hopped to a different park specifically for that lunch reservation. The most important of those times would have been our Lunch with an Imagineer which was one of our most amazing experiences ever at either DL or WDW. We were lucky enough to get it and happily hopped from our planned park day to go. There were other times too. We have also hopped before lunch if we found out something was not scheduled or happening on our park day and we needed to hop to catch it on our trip, or that something was ending/closing that day and we needed to get there to catch it. Also, twice we did a 4 park in a day thing where we hit certain things at each park that everyone wanted to do again, or that we had run out of time to do on our particular park day. We also liked to stay at YC so that during food and wine, we might hit a different park in the morning, come back and have lunch at the food booths and then maybe go back to the resort if someone wanted to swim, or stay at EPCOT or go back to a different park. We have lost all that with the hopping restriction, yet they want us to pay thousands of dollars more for our stay.
 
I think everyone is missing the real reason behind these new systems going in place. Disney has a capacity problem with no easy solution and it won't be cheap. Here are their potential solutions in my eyes.

1. Build a new park.

Pros: Everyone wants one, when it opens we'll see an immediate capacity boost for 40-100k depending on size. We would get a ton of new rides, and experiences.

Cons:

Staffing, even before Covid, Disney and Universal had issues filling park staff roles. Disney Regularly relied on the College Program for a boost to it's labor force. A new park would require thousands of additional staff to run the park. In their size they employee close to 80,000 people. Even by low estimates that's close to 10,000 additional employees they would need to find to staff the new park correctly.

Even if Disney were to build at Universals pace it's likely 4 years before we would see the park open.

The average vacation at Disney is 5 days, and that number isn't likely to budge even if a new park is built. This park and the added staff/costs would spread out the crowds in WDW, but ultimately wouldn't generate a substantial increase vacation time at WDW and thus it would have a limited return on value. The biggest benefit is added capacity, however, since WDW doesn't currently have enough hotel space to hold all of their existing guests it's hard to believe they could create enough hotel rooms to compensate for the capacity increases needed to fill the park.

Increased Demand: A new park would drastically increase demand at WDW to the point that it would negate any potential capacity increases for several years.

2. Increase existing park capacity and build new lands

We've seen this as of late to varying success

Pros: less staff are needed for additional lands.

The existing infrastructure at the parks means much less construction time on new additions especially if no demolition work is required to take place before construction.

Existing parks can still be operational during renovations and capacity can be increased as new sections come online.

Cons: People get upset when their childhood favorites are taken away and replaced by something new. We've seen the backlash from Figment, Mr. Toad, The Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse, and Horizons to name a few.

Not everything new is an E ticket ride, and those E ticket rides are lower capacity high demand rides.

Initial decrease in capacity, renovations at Hollywood Studios left the park with few attractions while Toy Storyland and Galaxy's Edge were being built. Crowd eating attractions such as Lights Motors Action and the Studio Tour being removed left little for the crowds to do.

New lands and land renovations don't necessarily mean more rides. Galaxy's Edge, Pandora, and Toy Story are all new lands at WDW, each has 2 new rides. Unless they're building 4-6 new rides that cater to multiple age groups and can handle large crowds any new land is going to overwhelm system. Minor hiccups and down times will compound how busy the park feels.

3. Increased Prices/Decrease add-ons

This one everyone hates. Higher prices mean less people can afford to visit WDW, and those who do are paying more for it. It's seen as a negative and contradictory to Walt Disney's dreams of building DL. Eventually after a certain price point is reached demand will decrease. However, will the cost of alienating potential visitors be worth the demand decrease.

4. Institute Capacity limits to lower traffic

This combined with Increased prices is Disney's current model. They can anticipate traffic and can staff better (yes, it's not perfect, but Covid does have an affect on this as well). Disney can limit how many guests enter a park and manage crowds better. Think of it like legacy Fast-Pass. That system worked so well because not every ride and attraction had FP, and if people were unwilling to wait in line for FP lines they went to shorter wait time rides and filled unused capacity at rides. The same is being used now, but combined with the post Covid travel bubble and limited staffing we're seeing a jump in demand and many people getting left without.
 
Why I think Disney Parks decided to let visitors attend the parks by reservation only is because Disney Parks is trying a new experiment to get more guests in for more money and to cut down on crowds that enter the parks during the busiest hours such as the mornings and afternoons. Because if you've visited Walt Disney World or Disneyland first thing in the mornings there will be dozens of people waiting in line for two hours waiting for the park to open and when the park officially opens it can be like the start of The Amazing Race and people go right away to eat breakfast or shop or ride popular rides first thing. So Disney Parks came up with a simple solution that will help visitors to get in the parks easily. But what I can see is that the reservation system will fail because for example how can people expect to go into Epcot when they have a character breakfast and the people have reserved a 9AM reservation and because of time or emergency they get to Epcot at 10AM and when Disney learns that the people are late and missed their reservation for 9AM will Epcot tell them to come back tomorrow? Probably yes. So I think what Disney Parks should do is invent a better system to get into the parks easily because reservations do not work and they should've came up with a better idea
 














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