Looking for Predictions on DVC Resorts between LSL and 2042

[zavandor]

I think a Villains resort, overlooking MK and with a private entrance is almost a given. It would become the flagship resort with absurd rack rates. would it have DVC? I'd say yes, imagine the points per night of the theme park views rooms.

 

[Patmcpsu]

I think a Villains resort, overlooking MK and with a private entrance is almost a given. It would become the flagship resort with absurd rack rates. would it have DVC? I'd say yes, imagine the points per night of the theme park views rooms.

Disney needs to decide who their target demographic is. I have two young kids, and I am certain they have no interest in a villains themed hotel. If Disney builds a villains theme hotel, it will be for Disney adults, and *maybe* teenagers.

Epic Universe targets a more mature audience, and as things currently stand, they are beating Disney at that game. Disney is at a crossroads about whether they should keep competing for that crowd, or go back to its roots of being a kid/family destination (which adults can also happen to enjoy).

 

[zavandor]

Disney needs to decide who their target demographic is. I have two young kids, and I am certain they have no interest in a villains themed hotel. If Disney builds a villains theme hotel, it will be for Disney adults, and *maybe* teenagers.

Epic Universe targets a more mature audience, and as things currently stand, they are beating Disney at that game. Disney is at a crossroads about whether they should keep competing for that crowd, or go back to its roots of being a kid/family destination (which adults can also happen to enjoy).

Sure, kids don't like spooky things, look at how the Halloween parties are uncrowded and never sell out at $200+ per ticket.

 

[Patmcpsu]

Sure, kids don't like spooky things, look at how the Halloween parties are uncrowded and never sell out at $200+ per ticket.

For what it's worth, this fall I'm taking my 6 and 4 year old daughters to Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party (the name is relevant here). And again, I would have zero interest in taking them to a villain's hotel if one existed today. I don't see the two things being equal.

 

[SugarSweetLee]

For what it's worth, I'm taking my 6 and 4 year old daughters to Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party this fall (the name is relevant here). And again, I would have zero interest in taking them to a villain's hotel if one existed today. I don't see the two things being equal.

I agree that spending a few hours at a themed event is different from spending multiple vacation days living in a specific, highly-themed, fantasy environment. I'm sure there is a pool of consumers who would be interested in this, but I think Disney may be gun-shy from the Starcruiser experiment (even though a hotel theme is not equalivalent to what that particular experience entailed).

 

[CraigInPA]

I think a Villains resort, overlooking MK and with a private entrance is almost a given. It would become the flagship resort with absurd rack rates. would it have DVC? I'd say yes, imagine the points per night of the theme park views rooms.

I doubt you'll see a resort there. Examine an overhead view on google maps, and you'll see all kinds of infrastructure and access roads to back stage areas there. All of that would need to be obscured or relocated. Plus, Disney isn't going to construct or staff a second gate into MK to be used by a single hotel. And, the Villains theming is beyond niche, with little interest by youngsters and less than universal love by adults. Disney's already been burned by their Star Wars hotel, and they won't make that mistake again.

 

[Girlstar30]

Would be super interested in a villains resort. Would attract plenty of Disney adults, you should have heard the screams when that land was announced at D23, def got the most reaction

 

[Patmcpsu]

Would be super interested in a villains resort. Would attract plenty of Disney adults, you should have heard the screams when that land was announced at D23, def got the most reaction

This goes back to my original point about who Disney wants to target. The people who attend D23 conventions are not the median Disney guest, but they are the type who will go multiple times per year and probably spend the most during each visit. Disney can try to capitalizing on these super-fans who are most likely to be a DINK scenario, or they can aim for the casual fans who simply want to take their kids to Disney World.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I doubt you'll see a resort there. Examine an overhead view on google maps, and you'll see all kinds of infrastructure and access roads to back stage areas there. All of that would need to be obscured or relocated. Plus, Disney isn't going to construct or staff a second gate into MK to be used by a single hotel. And, the Villains theming is beyond niche, with little interest by youngsters and less than universal love by adults. Disney's already been burned by their Star Wars hotel, and they won't make that mistake again.

Agree. And there way more Star Wars fans than Villains fans. I do think the Star Wars hotel would have performed insanely well if it were just Star Wars themed and not the immersive experience that was insanely expensive.
Edit to add
I am actually very sad the Galactic Cruiser is not a place we can just book to stay. I would've paid a premium to stay there. But I am not huge on immersive experiences, I am super awkward and its gives me anxiety. So even if I were wealthy I wouldn't have booked it.

 

[Joroc0801]

This goes back to my original point about who Disney wants to target. The people who attend D23 conventions are not the median Disney guest, but they are the type who will go multiple times per year and probably spend the most during each visit. Disney can try to capitalizing on these super-fans who are most likely to be a DINK scenario, or they can aim for the casual fans who simply want to take their kids to Disney World.

It would be wild of them to make their first foray into gate resorts in Disney World by making it a villains theme. They just dipped their toes into villain centric attractions with the show in HS and the new land. It would be a push the chips in decision to make a whole resort that theme.

I could see a gate resort happening in the next 15 years but I have a hard time believing it wouldn't be a theme that could stand the test of time. Even a hotel that has wings for each of the lands of the MK would be a better option than a full villain

 

[Patmcpsu]

Agree. And there way more Star Wars fans than Villains fans. I do think the Star Wars hotel would have performed insanely well if it were just Star Wars themed and not the immersive experience that was insanely expensive.
Edit to add
I am actually very sad the Galactic Cruiser is not a place we can just book to stay. I would've paid a premium to stay there. But I am not huge on immersive experiences, I am super awkward and its gives me anxiety. So even if I were wealthy I wouldn't have booked it.

I think the new show at Hollywood Studios (Unfairly Ever After) is a trial balloon for how much of an appetite there really is for villains focused stuff. There is obviously somebody pretty high-up in Disney who thinks it's a winner, but I think they're basing that on a vocal minority of guests.

Maybe, if the show totally bombs, they may go with a new theme for Villains Land at MK. I don't think Disney understands that Galaxy's Edge is too scary for my daughters (bad guys roaming around), but at least that's in Hollywood Studios while MK is supposed to be the most kid-oriented park.

 

[Patmcpsu]

I could see a gate resort happening in the next 15 years but I have a hard time believing it wouldn't be a theme that could stand the test of time. Even a hotel that has wings for each of the lands of the MK would be a better option than a full villain

The easiest gate resort would be some futuristic Jetsons-type resort in Epcot that's stumbling distance from World Showcase. Star Wars theme would be acceptable too.

 

[ParrotBill]

I think a Villains resort, overlooking MK and with a private entrance is almost a given. It would become the flagship resort with absurd rack rates. would it have DVC? I'd say yes, imagine the points per night of the theme park views rooms.

Sound dangerously similar to another upsell resort experience with a private park gate... LOL

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

after closing Jellyrolls and building that $35 a slice cake shop, etc.

No way the cake bake shop makes it to 2042. It’s not making to to 2032. It’s probably not making it to 2027.

 

[sethschroeder]

5 years between 2027 (LSL) and 2042 without selling major quantities of new direct memberships.

I would think there would be one more resort for sure in that time period. That being said.

LSL is massive so they would be selling major quantities of direct memberships still unless the resort falls flat.

What I could see happening while LSL is selling is conversion of WL to CVC expansion and AK to AKV expansion. They could convert more of these rooms over to DVC and at AKV expand the "value" and "Club" categories that are highly sought after.

Riviera is 300 and LSL is 900 so even without COVID it will likely take about 2.5x the amount of time which would be roughly 15 years.

 

[sethschroeder]

No way the cake bake shop makes it to 2042. It’s not making to to 2032. It’s probably not making it to 2027.

Laughed about it recently but you can get plenty of reservations at pretty much any time you want there. They hide them on Open Table to make it seem like its hard to get a reservation hoping it makes it look more sought after to people who only go on the Disney site.

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

Laughed about it recently but you can get plenty of reservations at pretty much any time you want there. They hide them on Open Table to make it seem like its hard to get a reservation hoping it makes it look more sought after to people who only go on the Disney site.

You're totally right! I just went to try it out in May with my daughter, and while the drinks were excellent and the atmosphere is gorgeous, the overpriced "meh" food was definitely a one and done. Judging by how empty it was (and it's a large space!) I think its days are numbered after 2026.

 

[Patmcpsu]

Speaking of future DVC builds, a "Cake Bake estate" at Boardwalk sounds lovely (and delicious).

 

[Mouseforward]

You're totally right! I just went to try it out in May with my daughter, and while the drinks were excellent and the atmosphere is gorgeous, the overpriced "meh" food was definitely a one and done. Judging by how empty it was (and it's a large space!) I think its days are numbered after 2026.

I like how they have the pink people outside taking reservations so people don't open the doors of the restaurant to see that its got plenty of open tables.

I feel like the whole theme / exclusive image is now out of style , would have been more successful 10 years ago.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

I do think the Star Wars hotel would have performed insanely well if it were just Star Wars themed and not the immersive experience that was insanely expensive.
Edit to add
I am actually very sad the Galactic Cruiser is not a place we can just book to stay. I would've paid a premium to stay there. But I am not huge on immersive experiences, I am super awkward and its gives me anxiety. So even if I were wealthy I wouldn't have booked it.

This, this, this. I am not even that introverted and I love Star Wars (booked a hotel night we didn't need at DLR to be able to get into SWGE the week it opened), but I very much didn't do starcruiser ONLY because I was anxious about having to cosplay and interact with strangers. Since I'm both the most extroverted and the biggest fan of SW in my family, I figured it was a waste of money and would be torture for everyone else.

Having the ability to wear a magic band or something similar that designated you as opting out of interactions would have been an instant book option for us...I actually was hoping to do it when my kids are the age they are now (after they got into star wars) if they wanted, but then POOF. We actually tried to get on one of the final voyages but there weren't any that worked with our dates. Not just running it as a moderate (but luxury priced) hotel for a few months to see how it worked out is a decision I'll never understand.