Looking for kid leashes / harnesses advices

Well I really do not care what they do. I am only sharing what has worked for me. I am sad that some have such strong opinions against a harness. With such large crowds,they will hardly be noticed wearing a harness and they do provide peace of mind. I'm not sure the older kids would like riding in a stroller all day, but if that works,then fine. In the end, she will make her decision and hopefully have a wonderful adventure in the park.
 
With such large crowds,they will hardly be noticed wearing a harness

Really, you think so? Have you ever seen a 10 year old (or 8 year old) with a harness at Disney (or anywhere)? I haven't, and not that I go around looking, but to me it would stand out like a sore thumb - would be 'very' hard not to notice.

I would feel for any child being humiliated in that manner. The mother says it's not done where she lives, but 'thinks' it's more acceptable in the US - sorry, but it's not done here either. There are so many other ways (mentioned) that would help keep her children safe - no need for such demeaning measures.

Just maybe the OP is not really 'ready' for an abroad trip with her children at their ages - seems she is a very nervous, insecure type and may not be able to really relax and enjoy her vacation in the US.
 
I think some of the OP’s responses seem to have got a bit lost…

Even the site you linked to mentions that half the harnesses are for toddlers and the other half for older children with special needs such as Autisim. I usually agree that each parent needs to do what is best for their kids. But it seems the OP is under the impression that harnesses and child leashes are common in the US. And they are not.

This is very true but the OP has already acknowledged that their belief that harnesses were common in the U.S. was misplaced.

Given the OP stated after this that they would still want to use harnesses, I think they were searching for any feedback on the products in the links. Also, I think it’s worth noting the OP is aware that harnesses might not work, which, as I see it, shows they are aware those in the links are intended for a situation different than their own (albeit a related one).

Most importantly though, I don’t see why these products should be dismissed just because they’re for special needs children; all the time certain things are used for a different purpose than was originally intended. My advice would be to contact the companies, explain the situation, and ask their advice. You might find out for example that they only sell to those with specific health insurance, or other such things. Whatever you do find out, at least you’ll be making progress.

Moreover, many of the suggestions in the thread (strollers, contact cards, etc.) are good, but have been repeated after the OP acknowledged them (according to some of their previous messages, strollers are not a preferred option and they have chosen to use temporary tattoos to display contact information). The OP also said they would be traveling to other theme parks and some suggestions specifically relating to Disney (such as learning to identify a cast member) don’t really apply to the OP’s situation. I understand this is a Disney-specific forum, and that it would help improve suggestions if the OP provided more details on where else they might be visiting, but I don’t think that means general (e.g. non-Disney) travel advice shouldn’t be given here.

Really, you think so? Have you ever seen a 10 year old (or 8 year old) with a harness at Disney (or anywhere)?

Yes, me. I wore a harness on our family vacations when I was 12 and 13.

...to me it would stand out like a sore thumb - would be 'very' hard not to notice...I would feel for any child being humiliated in that manner.

My memory of when I wore a harness is hardly 100% complete, but I remember enough to know this just isn’t true. I don’t recall anyone making jokes or pointing fingers at me; some people probably did, but the point is that I either didn’t notice, if I did I forgot, and my parents had thoughtfully explained to me not to let such judgements bother me and weren’t worth a second thought. Of course I felt embarrassed initially, but I soon got over it and once I adjusted I realized people really don’t spend that much time looking at others . I certainly didn’t feel “humiliated” either.

They may not 'get it' now, but when they get to Disney and you harness them, everyone, and I mean everyone, will do a double take and they will fast become miserable and embarrassed...please don't make your children the center of jokes, laughter, and finger pointing.

I understand what you’re trying to say, but I can’t help but feel this is a little melodramatic.

First, I really don’t believe people visiting Disney spend their time staring, laughing and making jokes at others expense; they go to enjoy the amusements and events, and while I’m sure it does happen, it is likely going to be very infrequent and pretty brief.

Second, the implication is that Disney can’t be enjoyed unless people are constantly aware of, and acting upon, the possible opinions of everyone else. Personally, I would like to think that Disney can be enjoyed in anyway visitors wish (provided they aren’t negatively impacting others), and while I understand this is perhaps only an ideal, I really struggle to see how choosing to uphold anxieties based on the misunderstandings – or worse judgements – of others is a good idea.

Seems like at your children's ages they should be listening to your advice to them - maybe that would benefit them by making sure they listen to you now.

This is a fair point but I don’t think it is the issue here. From reading all the responses in the thread, it seems many think the solution centers around discipline. This is certainly part of it, but what about other factors such as distractions and possible accidents? Surely with all the activities, rides, colors, characters, and everything else Disney offers, the point is to get distracted – it’s a vacation after all. If the children have never been to Disney before, is it not fair to expect a greater degree of distraction?

Also distractions will occur for adults as well as kids and these will perhaps be greater for a foreign visitor than a domestic visitor. If the OP is concerned these sorts of things will reduce their ability to keep everyone together safely, should the debate not include a slightly more thorough discussion about this rather than “kids should know to listen”?

I'm assuming they are not stupid and know to stay with mom and dad when out and about.

I must say I think this is quite rude. I understand you are evidently not judging those with disabilities, but you are saying easily distracted children, especially those who also have anxious but hard-working and well-intentioned parents, are stupid. I’m not offended now, but if I had known that an adult who had seen me wearing a harness viewed me as "stupid", I can imagine being pretty upset for a while. I didn’t think I was stupid, and my parents didn’t think I was when they made the decision. Considering they did so with the best intentions, and trusted me to understand they too had their own worries would indicate to me, they're highly intelligent and caring.
 
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While I wouldn't use a harness or a leash for my kids at those ages, I am amazed at the number of poster who are always saying you need to do whats best for your family in the taking older boys in the ladies room and getting strollers for kids in grade school threads. I think this mom is doing what she thinks is best for her family. Once she gets here and gets comfortable, she may decide she doesn't need them.
 

I’m not offended now, but if I had known that an adult who had seen me wearing a harness viewed me as "stupid", I can imagine being pretty upset for a while.

Ummm.... I think it strains credulity to think that people would not make the assumption that children that age in harnesses must have serious mental or behavioral disabilities. Not everyone will point, laugh, give looks, etc., but I guarantee you that everyone will think that is why they are in harnesses. I don't think they would encounter a single person who wouldn't make that assumption just at first glance. If you think that would have made you upset, then I think you can assume it would also make these kids upset. You might not have perceived that people thought that about you when you wore one at that age, but these kids might. You are a sample of one and I'm glad you had the experience that you had, but I am sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that most people you encountered who noticed the leash and harness you wore thought you had a mental or behavioral disability. There's nothing wrong with someone making that assumption--just like I would never be offended if someone thought I was gay, or some other category that I am not--but it's definitely what people thought about you at first glance. It's only natural that we categorize people by these kinds of markers. If someone is in a wheelchair, it's common to expect that they might not be able to walk. Similarly, if someone is in a harness leashed to their parent as a pre-teen--it's common to expect they might not be able to conduct themselves properly without endangering themselves or others. Over time people may observe their actions and be corrected, but at first glance that will be the assumption.

While I wouldn't use a harness or a leash for my kids at those ages, I am amazed at the number of poster who are always saying you need to do whats best for your family in the taking older boys in the ladies room and getting strollers for kids in grade school threads. I think this mom is doing what she thinks is best for her family. Once she gets here and gets comfortable, she may decide she doesn't need them.

You're right, I think this one is just so completely atypical and outside of social norms--even for people with severe mental and behavioral disabilities--that we are just trying to make sure the OP understands the impression that it will make. It's unrealistic to just say "don't care what other people think". We're social animals, everyone cares to an extent. And I think most people on this board would rather the mom addressed some of her anxieties, if possible, through other avenues and approaches that won't make her kids such outliers when they arrive at the park.

EDIT: I think the other big difference is a lot of people who do the other things you are talking about end up having a lot of good reasons why that is the only thing they can do for their families that makes sense for them. Often it is due to disability, but not always. Usually it is something that the family has arrived upon after trial and error doing other things. I think in this instance the OP's description of her kids really begs so many questions and really leads most people to believe that she really is overestimating the dangers and under-appreciating the alternatives she has. I know that's not what she asked for, and I feel bad because I really try to be as extremely understanding and tolerant as I can possibly be--and if I saw these kids in the parks I don't think I'd think anything negative about the family---but I know I would assume the kids were mentally disabled and I would probably approach the family differently than I would otherwise. (e.g. Would probably treat them a little bit more with kid gloves because I would assume that they were handling a complex situation with their kids.)
 
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This is probably perfect for you. I used it with my 6 year old at Disney because it hurt her hand for it to be held so much. http://www.onestepahead.com/Seasona...-child-safety-wristband-set.pro?omSource=SLI&

A PP pointed out that, unless the kid is holding the strap rather than wearing one, these kinds of harnesses could dislocate the elbow if the kid falls or the line is pulled taut for some other reason. (they'd seen it happen to a friend's kid.) I think that the OP had said that they didn't like the idea of the kid just holding something like that because they could just let go.
 
Really, you think so? Have you ever seen a 10 year old (or 8 year old) with a harness at Disney (or anywhere)?

My girls wore them at age 7 and 9 at Disneyland. The Dandee model.
 
I think getting separated would be less emotionally painful that the public humiliation of wearing a harness. When we are in crowded places, my kids know that there is always a chance of this happening, they know it will be temporary, and they know they won't be in any danger.
 
Ummm.... I think it strains credulity to think that people would not make the assumption that children that age in harnesses must have serious mental or behavioral disabilities. Not everyone will point, laugh, give looks, etc., but I guarantee you that everyone will think that is why they are in harnesses. I don't think they would encounter a single person who wouldn't make that assumption just at first glance.

This is a good point and I agree that making assumptions is perfectly natural for many people. I would however hope that assumptions don’t become judgments.

If you think that would have made you upset, then I think you can assume it would also make these kids upset.

I don’t think I would have been upset at an assumption, but if that person had assumed, subsequently been told their assumption was not correct, and then just said I was stupid, then I would have been upset. For me, that is what has been implied here because the person responding very clearly knew the OP’s children don’t have any special needs.

You might not have perceived that people thought that about you when you wore one at that age, but these kids might. You are a sample of one and I'm glad you had the experience that you had, but I am sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that most people you encountered who noticed the leash and harness you wore thought you had a mental or behavioral disability.

I agree entirely that my experience can’t be used an indicator for the possible reactions of other children, and that I didn’t really understand peoples assumptions at the time. Nonetheless, I did want the OP to know other parents have used harnesses for older children and doing so might not result in the sorts of negative situations which some others seem to indicate are inevitable.

I think getting separated would be less emotionally painful that the public humiliation of wearing a harness. When we are in crowded places, my kids know that there is always a chance of this happening, they know it will be temporary, and they know they won't be in any danger.

For certain children this may well be true, but as kollerbear has said – all children are individuals and react differently. Given the OP is visiting a country where their children do not speak the language, and perhaps have never visited before, the emotion of getting separated could well be very different.

Also, being separated for three seconds because someone unknowingly and innocently walks between a child and their parent is one thing, but getting separated for longer periods in large crowds (even just two minutes) can be extremely stressful, not only for the child but for the parent – especially if they have other children to look after at the same time.

I totally agree that Disney is very safe and any real danger is very unlikely, but the OP has said they will be visiting other places outside Disney which may not be as safe (big city streets, beaches, etc.), and I think they are also considering harnesses in this context.
 
This is a good point and I agree that making assumptions is perfectly natural for many people. I would however hope that assumptions don’t become judgments.



I don’t think I would have been upset at an assumption, but if that person had assumed, subsequently been told their assumption was not correct, and then just said I was stupid, then I would have been upset. For me, that is what has been implied here because the person responding very clearly knew the OP’s children don’t have any special needs.



I agree entirely that my experience can’t be used an indicator for the possible reactions of other children, and that I didn’t really understand peoples assumptions at the time. Nonetheless, I did want the OP to know other parents have used harnesses for older children and doing so might not result in the sorts of negative situations which some others seem to indicate are inevitable.



For certain children this may well be true, but as kollerbear has said – all children are individuals and react differently. Given the OP is visiting a country where their children do not speak the language, and perhaps have never visited before, the emotion of getting separated could well be very different.

Also, being separated for three seconds because someone unknowingly and innocently walks between a child and their parent is one thing, but getting separated for longer periods in large crowds (even just two minutes) can be extremely stressful, not only for the child but for the parent – especially if they have other children to look after at the same time.

I totally agree that Disney is very safe and any real danger is very unlikely, but the OP has said they will be visiting other places outside Disney which may not be as safe (big city streets, beaches, etc.), and I think they are also considering harnesses in this context.
I'd love to see a whole family harnessed together at the beach! Probably wouldn't be safe in the ocean, though...
 
I'd love to see a whole family harnessed together at the beach! Probably wouldn't be safe in the ocean, though...

Fair point, I admit beaches might not be the best example. Nonetheless...city streets, crosswalks, train stations, airports, busy museums, etc...
 
This is a fair point but I don’t think it is the issue here. From reading all the responses in the thread, it seems many think the solution centers around discipline. This is certainly part of it, but what about other factors such as distractions and possible accidents? Surely with all the activities, rides, colors, characters, and everything else Disney offers, the point is to get distracted – it’s a vacation after all. If the children have never been to Disney before, is it not fair to expect a greater degree of distraction?

Also distractions will occur for adults as well as kids and these will perhaps be greater for a foreign visitor than a domestic visitor. If the OP is concerned these sorts of things will reduce their ability to keep everyone together safely, should the debate not include a slightly more thorough discussion about this rather than “kids should know to listen”?



You make such an excellent point here. This is exactly why I use a harness. Kids do get excited,loose focus, and get distracted even older children. They sometimes react on impulse in a different sort of way than toddlers and preschool children. Parents also get overwhelmed sometimes. Works both ways. Being a military family,we have traveled a lot thru many airports and this can also be quite stressful. So I agree it is a safety issue and helps with peace of mind. We can enjoy a place like Disneyland or Sea World. Thanks for sharing. I feel pretty strong that this family will do okay. Lots of good advice so that they can make decisions and manage their trip. They may use the harnesses the entire time of may use them occasionally when needed. It appears that the girls have bought into the idea and that will help immensely. There will always be those who are opposed to kids wearing harnesses. They are entitled to their opinion and I think that is perfectly okay. As parents we need to make choices and use our skills as we see best for our kids. Thanks again for sharing and words of support.
 
What happens when your kids want to dance along with the parades? Or meeting characters? Are you going to constantly clip and unclip them? My god my kids are cringing over the fact that I am renting a stroller and they are 4 & 6 (5 & 7 at trip time).
 
Well yes that's exactly what you would do. Same for going on and off the rides. No big deal really
 
What happens when your kids want to dance along with the parades? Or meeting characters? Are you going to constantly clip and unclip them? My god my kids are cringing over the fact that I am renting a stroller and they are 4 & 6 (5 & 7 at trip time).

I remember whenever we went on the fairground rides where everyone has their own seat, my parents did exactly what you say; when we reached the front of the line, my parents just unclipped the leash and clipped it back on once we’d all got off but before we exited. It took no more than a second each time.

As for dancing along with the parades, I don’t see why a harness would prevent a child from doing this. I might be missing something, but don’t most children enjoy the parades by watching, dancing, waving, etc. when they’re with, or very close to, their parents?
 
Hello there !
Wow, what a hot topic i've started here :)
Thanks again all for your advices and stories.
We're back form holidays and we have finally found exactly what we were looking for in a supermarket.
It basically is a baby harness with a removable handle at the back. We bought three, one for each kid.
As my boy was not thrilled by the idea, we bought some Cars themed patches and sew them on his harness to make it more "disney-ish". He's now very happy about it ;)
The girls have personalised theirs with Frozen patches.
I feel now really relieved that this "quest" is over and that my kids are so "happy" about it.

I'll keep you informed on how it went after the trip.

Cheers,
Fanny
 
Welp, considering that the OP didn't really take any of the advice solicited (i.e. models for older children), and that it seems extremely unlikely that baby harnesses would fit her children or be found in a supermarket, and that these are the only posts made by the OP, and that the OP returned to fan a dying thread, I do feel a bit more trolled than I did before. In any case, I feel like I learned a lot about the issue. Thanks, all.

Hope I'm wrong, Picodegallo, and that you have a great trip with your family.
 
Kollerbear--I have to agree. Not to mention I doubt any 10 year old would accept walking around in a baby harness. I wager no matter what happens, the OP will come back and say how wonderful the harness worked, and that her kids were overjoyed to wear them. Instead of coming back and saying how they were surprised that next to no one uses harness on their children, and certainly not on children larger than toddlers.
 















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