long term maternity leave (debate)

This is really getting boring! JMMMOM and other thick sculls included; do you get that Employment Insurance payments are capped at $413.00 per week minus deductions no matter how much your yearly income is??? Nobody on EI would ever make 28,000 on it. Just another fine example of how you only listen to what you want to hear!! 6 weeks after you have a baby is not enough time to return to a full time job regardless of who pays for you to be off!! Physically I was ready but mentally and emotionally i definitely needed to create a loving lasting bond with my infant and would never DUMP him into daycare at that vulnerable age! I guess canadians aren't as materialistic, I don't need new suvs, huge overly decorated house or plastic surgery. I just require that my children and the children of my fellow canadians are healthy, well adjusted and have formed close bonds with BOTH of their parents!! DO YOU GET IT NOW???? JENN:rolleyes:
 
arminnie thanks that is great info and sounds faily close to what is offered here. Did they list an amount of benefits paid to the person justout of curiosity. It seems like Cali has things headed in the right direction.
 
This is really getting boring! JMMMOM and other thick sculls included; do you get that Employment Insurance payments are capped at $413.00 per week minus deductions no matter how much your yearly income is??? Nobody on EI would ever make 28,000 on it. Just another fine example of how you only listen to what you want to hear!! 6 weeks after you have a baby is not enough time to return to a full time job regardless of who pays for you to be off!! Physically I was ready but mentally and emotionally i definitely needed to create a loving lasting bond with my infant and would never DUMP him into daycare at that vulnerable age! I guess canadians aren't as materialistic, I don't need new suvs, huge overly decorated house or plastic surgery. I just require that my children and the children of my fellow canadians are healthy, well adjusted and have formed close bonds with BOTH of their parents!! DO YOU GET IT NOW???? JENN

is namecalling really necessary, simply because we disagree with you? i understand what you're saying and i still don't agree that this is something that we need here. if you want it great, but keep it there. as for the $413/week, that was mentioned after i had put up my numbers, but thanks for noticing! :D around $22,000 instead of $28,000. still more than most people will have put in when they take it, no?

and i'm sorry that you weren't emotionally and mentally recovered 6 weeks after giving birth, but that isn't the norm in the women that i know. and i certainly have never met anyone that needed an entire year to recover mentally and emotionally. and for the record, i don' t have an overly decorated house, i bought my first suv last year after driving my mini-van for 10 years (my husband's car is 5 years old, and we'll drive it until it drops) and no plastic surgery here - my mammaries are my own, and in such good shape that i'm sure they're what got me the husband, the kids and the cars. ;)
 
That was a good line jmmom about thje mammories LOL. the money actually works out to be 21476.00 mind you it then gets taxed on top of that and yes you pay EI premiums on the EI you are getting so you are still cotributing even while you are off.
 

Originally posted by Parkerpooh
This is really getting boring! JMMMOM and other thick sculls included; do you get that Employment Insurance payments are capped at $413.00 per week minus deductions no matter how much your yearly income is??? Nobody on EI would ever make 28,000 on it. Just another fine example of how you only listen to what you want to hear!! 6 weeks after you have a baby is not enough time to return to a full time job regardless of who pays for you to be off!! Physically I was ready but mentally and emotionally i definitely needed to create a loving lasting bond with my infant and would never DUMP him into daycare at that vulnerable age! I guess canadians aren't as materialistic, I don't need new suvs, huge overly decorated house or plastic surgery. I just require that my children and the children of my fellow canadians are healthy, well adjusted and have formed close bonds with BOTH of their parents!! DO YOU GET IT NOW???? JENN:rolleyes:
You know, there really is no need for the attitude you have. Btw, I stayed home until my children entered school full time, and everyone I know who 'dumped' their children in daycare have found a way to bond with their children quite nicely, thank you very much.
So spare me the 'we care about child-parent bonding' crappola. I also don't have an SUV anymore but my house is very nicely decorated. Plastic surgery? LOL, I think you watch too much TV if that is what you think Americans are all about.

We, Americans, seem to be able to find a way to handle things down here, no need to fret so much about what programs we have or don't have. Noone is saying you should do things differently, perhaps you could give us the same courtesy?
 
In Sweden you have 300 days of maternity leave split however you want it paid, they pay 80% of your wages, you can get paid 7 days a week and go back to work earlier, but for the most part 5 days a week is used. You can take turns staying home between you and the father of the child. Children don't pay for dentist up to 18 years of age (maybe 19 even). In some counties they don't have to pay for doctor's visits either. The shots and other necessary things as an infant you don't pay for. The childbirth at the hospital you only pay $10 per night in the hospital. Everybody has healthinsurance, it comes out of the taxes, there are no specific, seperate insurances as here in the U.S. Also if you are employed 1 full year (1000 hours work) you have the right to 5 weeks paid vacation..by law. You do not lose your job being on materinty leave, even if gone a year or more (depends on how you stretch your 300 days)..

It all comes out of the taxes, high taxes, but equal for everybody.

I worked on full year here in the States and got 1 full week of paid vacation lol, that was a tough one :)
 
Poohandwendy, When's the last time you heard about canadian kids getting blown away at school by their peers? Doesn't happen here!! Maybe that "parent-bonding crappola" has something to do with that?!!!:teeth: JEnn
 
Poohandwendy, When's the last time you heard about canadian kids getting blown away at school by their peers? Doesn't happen here!! Maybe that "parent-bonding crappola" has something to do with that?!!!
Um, yeah...it happens because those kids parents didn't have a longer maternity leave......Sheesh, who woulda thunk it?:rolleyes:

Btw, I never said that parent-child bonding was crappola...I said spare me the 'you care about it more than us' crappola....
 
YIKES! This thread is too much. Those North Americans living in the US have one mindset, those North Americans living in Canada have another. For hard-core capitalists, there is no understanding the Canadian mind. For Canadians-conservative and liberal both because even our conservative minds are more "in the middle" -there is no understanding of not caring for your neighbours needs because it is our culture and nature to do so.

i certainly have never met anyone that needed an entire year to recover mentally and emotionally.
This year is not only to REcover. This year is to DIScover the infant/parent bond. And, yes, other peoples around the world agree with statistics that say that a good start, a good bond, a good year sets the child off on a loving and emotionally secure path.

Does that mean that children in daycare can't? Nah. It's easier if a parent is at home with the children. And all of you SAHM/SAHD's would agree that your presence and one-on-one attention helps your child to grow....I think. ;)

That's all it is, plain a simple. A cultural belief that THIS helps our nation to take on the kind, caring, emotionally secure and nurtured bent that WE want. I, personally, don't care what the States has.

Understand that I don't adore my high taxes, but I DO like what I get for my high taxes. And that includes my maternity leave....which btw, I got 5 times....11, 12, 12 (+4 weeks unpaid), 16 and 20 weeks worth. I missed out on the year, but Daddy/is was at home anyway. Oh, and I didn't get topped up, and lost a lot of wages (you know, that cap on EI!) to do that.

All said....the BEST part?! We got to go to WDW when the babes were infants! Have a great, day. Hug your kids, because THEY are the future of this world.....and who will be looking after us when we are old and in the Senior's Home!
 
Originally posted by DIZNYFAN
arminnie thanks that is great info and sounds faily close to what is offered here. Did they list an amount of benefits paid to the person justout of curiosity. It seems like Cali has things headed in the right direction.

from:California Disability Link
California State Disability Insurance (SDI) is a partial wage-replacement insurance plan for California workers. The SDI program is State-mandated, and funded through employee payroll deductions. SDI provides affordable, short-term benefits to eligible workers who suffer a loss of wages when they are unable to work due to a NON WORK-RELATED illness or injury, or a medically disabling condition from pregnancy or childbirth.

The majority of California employees, approximately 12 million workers, are covered by the SDI program. Some employees are exempt from SDI; for example, railroad employees, some employees of non-profit agencies, employees who claim religious exemptions, and most government employees.

Four other states and one Commonwealth offer a disability insurance program. They are Rhode Island, New Jersey, New York and Hawaii, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. Each state operates its program independently.

BENEFITS OF CALIFORNIA SDI COVERAGE
SDI coverage "travels" with the worker. Coverage is not dependent on staying with a specific employer.
SDI coverage is mandatory for most California workers.
SDI is non-exclusionary. An eligible worker's coverage cannot be canceled or denied because of health risk factors, pre-existing medical conditions, or hazardous employment.
SDI may pay up to 52 weeks of benefits with a waiting period of only seven days.
Payroll deductions for all covered workers are based on the same low contribution rate.
The State Disability Insurance (SDI) Contribution Rate for 2001, 2002, and 2003 is 0.9% (.009). The SDI taxable wage limit is $46,327 per employee for calendar years 2001 and 2002, $56,916 for 2003.

Benefits are based on highest quarterly income in the past year starting at $75/week up to $728/week.
LInk to benefit table

My employer chose to supplement this benefit with additional payments to provide 2/3 of salary while disabled up to six months (and a long term disability policy for after six months).

The CA disability payments are not taxable as the premium is paid by the employee. The long-term disability payments (not soc. sec) are taxable as the premiums were paid by the employer.

But please note the key word throughout this info - "Disabled".
Someone who cannot perform their job functions is covered. It is not the same thing as maternity leave. When you are physically (and mentally) able to perform your job the benefits stop.

UPDATE-
PAID FAMILY LEAVE

In 2002, historic legislation was enacted to extend disability compensation to cover individuals who take time off of work to care for a seriously ill child, spouse, parent, or domestic partner, or to bond with a new child. Senate Bill 1661 established the Paid Family Leave insurance program, also known as Family Temporary Disability Insurance program, to be administered by the State Disability Insurance (SDI) program. An estimated 13 million California workers who are covered by the SDI program will also be covered for Paid Family Leave insurance benefits commencing on or after July 1, 2004.
Paid Family Leave
Q.What is Paid Family Leave?

A. Paid Family Leave is unemployment compensation disability insurance paid to workers who suffer a wage loss when they take time off work to care for a seriously ill family member or bond with a new child.


Q.How long may a person receive Paid Family Leave insurance benefits?

A. Workers may receive up to six (6) weeks of benefits that may be paid over a 12-month period.


Q.What is the relationship of Paid Family Leave Insurance to State Disability Insurance?

A. Paid Family Leave Insurance is a component of the State Disability Insurance (SDI) program. The SDI benefit portion compensates workers who suffer a wage loss when they can't work because of their own illness or injury. The Paid Family Leave benefit compensates workers who suffer a wage loss due to the need to provide care for a seriously ill family member or to bond with a new child.


Q.Are payroll deductions mandatory?

A. Yes, beginning January 1, 2004, employers are required to deduct the Paid Family Leave contributions from the wages of employees who are covered by the SDI program.


Q.Who pays?

A. The Paid Family Leave insurance program is fully funded by employees' contributions, similar to the SDI program.
COST


Are the payroll deductions mandatory?

Yes, beginning January 1, 2004, employers are required to deduct the Paid Family Leave insurance contributions from the wages of employees who are covered by the SDI program.


How much will it cost?

For calendar years 2004 and 2005, the Paid Family Leave insurance contribution rate will be .08 percent (.0008) of the taxable wage limit.

The taxable wage limit in 2004 will be $68,829. This means that wages above this amount are not taxed for SDI. Therefore the maximum contribution for Paid Family Leave insurance would be $55.06 in 2004, in addition to the existing SDI contribution.

The taxable wage limit in 2005 will be $79,418. This means that wages above this amount are not taxed for SDI. Therefore, the maximum contribution for Paid Family Leave insurance would be $63.53 in 2005, in addition to the existing SDI contribution.

The cost of Paid Family Leave insurance will be incorporated into the base SDI contribution rate from 2006 and beyond.

Q.When do Paid Family Leave benefit payments begin?

A. Benefits are payable for Paid Family Leave insurance claims commencing on or after July 1, 2004.
In other words, benefits will not be paid for leave taken prior to July 1, 2004.
 
I'm coming to this thread late and want to chime in. This isn't directed at anyone.
I don't believe that any gov't anywhere should be forced to pay, or force other businesses to pay, for anything that adults willfully enter into and can reasonable prepare for financially.

Pregnancies, except in the cae of rape etc., are willfully created and c an be planned. If the pregnancy is not planned, it should not be gov't or business responsibility to pay for adults who inadequately planned for something within their control.

The King of Common Sense has spoken. :)
 
American idea is that children are an indulgence that parents choose. ( 50 % of pregnancies are unplanned, contraception is expensive if making 15 K or less. not covered under many insurance plans)

Many countries are in grave danger because of drastic declines in birthrate. Iceland was giving monetary birth awards and child support supplements a couple of years ago according to DH.

Most radical was the Japanese minister who said Govt. shouldn't pay pensions to any one who hadn't had children.( Because they hadn't done their part by undertaking the work and financial burden of raising the next generation whose earnings pay these pensions)
 
Originally posted by Parkerpooh
This is really getting boring! JMMMOM and other thick sculls included; do you get that Employment Insurance payments are capped at $413.00 per week minus deductions no matter how much your yearly income is??? Nobody on EI would ever make 28,000 on it. Just another fine example of how you only listen to what you want to hear!! 6 weeks after you have a baby is not enough time to return to a full time job regardless of who pays for you to be off!! Physically I was ready but mentally and emotionally i definitely needed to create a loving lasting bond with my infant and would never DUMP him into daycare at that vulnerable age! I guess canadians aren't as materialistic, I don't need new suvs, huge overly decorated house or plastic surgery. I just require that my children and the children of my fellow canadians are healthy, well adjusted and have formed close bonds with BOTH of their parents!! DO YOU GET IT NOW???? JENN:rolleyes:

Bravo. I agree.

Originally posted by treesinger
I'm coming to this thread late and want to chime in. This isn't directed at anyone.
I don't believe that any gov't anywhere should be forced to pay, or force other businesses to pay, for anything that adults willfully enter into and can reasonable prepare for financially.

Pregnancies, except in the cae of rape etc., are willfully created and c an be planned. If the pregnancy is not planned, it should not be gov't or business responsibility to pay for adults who inadequately planned for something within their control.

The King of Common Sense has spoken. :)

Ahh, I see why so many teenagers are out on the street with their newborn and why so many babies get thrown in dumpsters. You don't want to take care of them. How morally wonderful of you.

Again, pregnancy is NOT always a choice. Even on birth control, accidents happen. Why can't you get that through your thick skulls?

There is NO reason why a mother shouldn't stay home for the first year with their child. But there are alot of people that can't afford it.
 
Originally posted by Wish I lived in Fl
American idea is that children are an indulgence that parents choose. ( 50 % of pregnancies are unplanned, contraception is expensive if making 15 K or less. not covered under many insurance plans)

LOL, 50% of pregnancies are unplanned? You have any statistics to back that up?

Contraception is expensive if you make 15 K or less? Umm, do you call 'FREE' expensive? There is not a state in the union that does not have free clinics for low income patients looking for contraceptives. It is there for the taking.

Not covered under many insurance plans? And BTW, contraception is NOT expensive. Those clinics I was talking about earlier, they cater to all women, they offer birth control options on a sliding scale dependent on income.
Many countries are in grave danger because of drastic declines in birthrate. Iceland was giving monetary birth awards and child support supplements a couple of years ago according to DH.
According to DH? Who is DH? And why are we talking about Iceland? The US is not in grave danger of drastic declines in birthrate.
Most radical was the Japanese minister who said Govt. shouldn't pay pensions to any one who hadn't had children.( Because they hadn't done their part by undertaking the work and financial burden of raising the next generation whose earnings pay these pensions)
Again, what is this about? What does it have to do with long term maternity leave benefits in the United States?
 
Originally posted by totalia
Ahh, I see why so many teenagers are out on the street with their newborn and why so many babies get thrown in dumpsters. You don't want to take care of them. How morally wonderful of you.
Who said we don't want to take care of our children? We love our children!!!! I see you judge the actions of the few as a general feeling of the many, how morally wonderful of YOU!

Again, pregnancy is NOT always a choice. Even on birth control, accidents happen. Why can't you get that through your thick skulls?
Actually, unless a person is raped, pregnancy is the direct result of a choice. A choice that is well known to cause pregnancy.
There is NO reason why a mother shouldn't stay home for the first year with their child.
That is your opinion. But it is not necessary for infant development, parent-child bonding or breastfeeding. Feel free to show facts that support otherwise. Noone is stopping a woman who feels strongly about being home for that first year from planning for it and doing it.

Btw, I had my first child when I was 20 years old, I quit work and stayed home with her (18 years ago). My DH made $6 per hour then, we had no problem getting by. Money was definitely tight, but it was our choice. And since we felt strongly about it, we did what we needed to make it happen. We certainly did not need an extended maternity leave to do so.
 
Originally posted by totalia




Ahh, I see why so many teenagers are out on the street with their newborn and why so many babies get thrown in dumpsters. You don't want to take care of them. How morally wonderful of you.

Teenagers are a different situation. Parents are satill responsible for their children if they are under eighteen, even if they have children of their own. If you read my post again, you will note that I purposely only mentioned adults. Children having children is a whole other debate.
Again, pregnancy is NOT always a choice. Even on birth control, accidents happen.
Let me educate you. When you take contraceptives, you take them under the knowledge that they are not perfect and do not always work, even the pill. Even if it is .5% chance of failing, you are still responsible for your own behavior. Don't blame your own choices on your drug failing. Certainly, it is more responsible to have sex with contraceptives if you do not want to get pregnant, but that doesn't mean you aren't responsible for any of the consequences.
Why can't you get that through your thick skulls?
Thanks for noticing! I had my skull double reinforced to hold my abnormally large and well-reasoning brain in.
There is NO reason why a mother shouldn't stay home for the first year with their child. But there are alot of people that can't afford it.

Then they should prepare better. Not being able to afford things is not a reason to tax everyone else. If you can't afford to stay at home with your children, you have no one to blame but yourself. My wife and I gave up a lot of luxuries so that she could stay home and raise the kids. We did the responsible thing. We didn't tell the taxpayers that they had to pony up the funds so that we could live our lifestyle and have DW stay home. That would have been irresponsible of us.
 
This is the same as medicare - bottom line.
There are going to be people who are going to use it more than others.
We have medicare in our country, and we have to pay for it every day. If I die of an unexpected heart attack when I am 50 - well then I can say that is my loss.

from reading the earlier posts
I just think that people have this fear and resentment of someone getting something they can't have.
It is just based on people's experiences, and there is nothing you can do to change that attitude - sorry.
 
Okay.............I guess this falls under the phrase "just because it is different, that does not mean it is wrong; just different." I am a proud American but believe we can learn much from other countries and their ways of doing things. Maybe something like this type of maternity leave would "slow things down a bit" for the new parents and give them some much needed time together. Why does everyone want to knock the Canadian's system? Seems to be working well for them. I'd certainly love to take a look at other countries medical systems and see how we can improve ours. I've always said to my family, I feel great about 6 months after my children were born. Then when I look back, I don't think I was ever really "myself" for a year afterward. Is this "weak" of me; certainly not. I know women who would be so much more relaxed and happy in life if they did not have to worry about returning to work so quickly. If this type of system works great for our Northern neighbors, wonderful! Why should we knock it? Those of you who like our American system....again, wonderful! Instead of picking apart and disecting the lives of others, lets look to ourselves first to correct things. For just today, if we all focused on changing something in our lives to make someone else happier instead of dragging someone down, I think we would all have a very good day. I think I'll head back to another board now.........have some magical planning to do!
 


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