Long range RFID tracking sensors installed

[lugnut33]

although, go back and look at the photo, I dont' see any lenses on them.

 

[disneyfan55]

although, go back and look at the photo, I dont' see any lenses on them.

You would be surprised how small they are at times. Newark airport just installed new cameras in their lighting. We bought a pen from Costco about 5 yrs ago that was a camera! and that was primitive and a long time ago and a joke gift cost only 35.00 or so. My husband says there are cameras in emergency room areas of hospitals that look like a part of the sprinkler system. (He is in the security area)

 

[Minnesota!]

Eh. No big deal. I am ok with them tracking my every move.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

If I willingly go onto Disney property, they can track whatever they want to about me. By going, you're opting in. By wearing a MB, you're opting in to a different tracking system than the standard one. I'm also not concerned with them selling my information...if they're spending $2+billion to collect all of this information about guests, I'm fairly certain they're not selling that to anyone else.

I'd also like to hear more about what these things do from the poster above who works for the manufacturer, just because I find it super interesting.

 

[CFioren317]

If I willingly go onto Disney property, they can track whatever they want to about me. By going, you're opting in. By wearing a MB, you're opting in to a different tracking system than the standard one. I'm also not concerned with them selling my information...if they're spending $2+billion to collect all of this information about guests, I'm fairly certain they're not selling that to anyone else.

I'd also like to hear more about what these things do from the poster above who works for the manufacturer, just because I find it super interesting.

Define "Disney Property". Does that mean go into the parks. Or are you saying that when you simply browse around in a Disney Store, you don't mind that they are tracking you? Because to me, it's two TOTALLY different things.

Sure, if I am wearing the band and use it to go into MK, then let them track me to their heart's content. If I bought a dole whip and they want to know if I liked it, then by all means, spam me, call me, do whatever you want.

But if I am in downtown Disney, and simply walk into the store, look around for a minute, then leave without a purchase, and I get an email asking me about THAT PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE, where I did nothing more than browsed in the store...well to me that's simply wrong. And that would spell the end of me wearing the MBs unless I am using them in the parks.

 

[jeffbear]

At this point, and before things get any worse, I think it would be a REALLY good idea for Disney to come out and be transparent with what information they intend to track with the RFID bands, and then update it through the process.

And by transparent I mean print it up clearly on the packaging when a customer either receives or purchases one of the devices.

 

[lucyem]

http://www.travelonbags.com/rfid-blocking?limit=all

Pick up some rfid blocking handbag organizers and drop your MB in.

Or better yet get a whole bag

http://www.ebags.com/search/f/rfid-blocking?lastSearchTerm=rfid

 

[Ryansdad0727]

I just keep walking in and out and in and out as my form of protest. I keep waiting for a plain clothed undercover Disney security person to come snatch me up and tell me to quit screwing with the sensors.

 

[shepd]

Why do you have issues with RFID tracking within Disney property?

You know other business (google, for example) makes this sort of tracking almost their only source of income. I'm just confused, since you're okay with giving Disney fingerprints (and the total lack of transparency surrounding it--you just have their good word on what really goes on inside that machine), but not okay with them following you around digitally?

 

[grimley1968]

I gasped when I saw the picture, not because of the thought of being tracked by long range RFID sensors but because we make those units at my place of employment.

These are not RFID sensor units, they are a camera system most commonly used at entrances of major retailers to collect shopper information but they can be placed any where a store needs to collect data. (number of people passing through, are they leaving with a cart, and all sorts of demographic type data.)

About 2 months ago we had a huge run on these units, typically we don't know where the units will be installed. I guess we now know why we were so busy building these units a few weeks ago. Pretty cool to say that something that my place of employment made is installed at WDW!

http://www.travelonbags.com/rfid-blocking?limit=all

Pick up some rfid blocking handbag organizers and drop your MB in.

Or better yet get a whole bag

http://www.ebags.com/search/f/rfid-blocking?lastSearchTerm=rfid

That may be a neat product, but as detailed in the earlier quoted post, the items in the first photo of this thread are not RFID tracking devices. They're cameras.

 

[disneyfan55]

http://www.travelonbags.com/rfid-blocking?limit=all

Pick up some rfid blocking handbag organizers and drop your MB in.

Or better yet get a whole bag

http://www.ebags.com/search/f/rfid-blocking?lastSearchTerm=rfid

Yes and for credit cards and passports. We have wallets that protect RFID. I have an AP with of course an RFID chip. Out of the wallet only to enter with my ID. I think the name of the company that made the ones we have is Stronghold

 

[jtowntoflorida]

Define "Disney Property". Does that mean go into the parks. Or are you saying that when you simply browse around in a Disney Store, you don't mind that they are tracking you? Because to me, it's two TOTALLY different things.

Sure, if I am wearing the band and use it to go into MK, then let them track me to their heart's content. If I bought a dole whip and they want to know if I liked it, then by all means, spam me, call me, do whatever you want.

But if I am in downtown Disney, and simply walk into the store, look around for a minute, then leave without a purchase, and I get an email asking me about THAT PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE, where I did nothing more than browsed in the store...well to me that's simply wrong. And that would spell the end of me wearing the MBs unless I am using them in the parks.

I'm not that familiar with Downtown Disney (only visited once in the 90s on a college trip and spent about 20 minutes there in 2011 when I had to buy a pair of pants for my son), but isn't it part of the Walt Disney World resort? I guess I assumed Disney owned the land but leases it to the various store tenants.

Regardless to answer your question...if I enter a private establishment--Disney or otherwise--that private owner has all the right in the world to track my movements in and out. If I don't want them doing it, I don't need to visit. As the saying goes, "their house, their rules."

 

[jtowntoflorida]

Yes and for credit cards and passports. We have wallets that protect RFID. I have an AP with of course an RFID chip. Out of the wallet only to enter with my ID. I think the name of the company that made the ones we have is Stronghold

I have a Global Entry card issued by U.S. Customs & Border Protection that has an RFID chip in it, and they sent a sleeve that is an RFID blocker to keep it in. It just looks like a piece of paper with some metal-looking lining on the inside. It doesn't take anything fancy to block an RFID reader if you want to.

 

[LilyWDW]

This thread could really help the economy... because of all the tin foil being bought for hats.

I'll continue to do my own research that hasn't been overshadowed by conspiracy theorists. I have yet to see anything with this program that worries me. At least not enough to stop going to Disney or to start wrapping my MB in tin foil. Then again, like I said before, private property and all that. Which I 100% support.

Now, don't get me started on stuff like net neutrality.

 

[Pats Dragon]

I have to tell you something neat about the mbs (or creepy if you think that way.) My sil lost his magic banc at mk. We rushed to guest services and the cm smiled and asked for one of our mbs. In less than a minute he had read it and made a new one that worked for my sil. It was pretty amazing to me.

 

[disneyfan55]

I have a Global Entry card issued by U.S. Customs & Border Protection that has an RFID chip in it, and they sent a sleeve that is an RFID blocker to keep it in. It just looks like a piece of paper with some metal-looking lining on the inside. It doesn't take anything fancy to block an RFID reader if you want to.

I know, I had those at first but after a bit, the paper wears out so I purchased a wallet. Many credit cards have the RFID as well so it was worth it. Not expensive and leather so will last. I wonder why they don't send the sleeve when they send new passports as well?

 

[disneyfan55]

This thread could really help the economy... because of all the tin foil being bought for hats.

I'll continue to do my own research that hasn't been overshadowed by conspiracy theorists. I have yet to see anything with this program that worries me. At least not enough to stop going to Disney or to start wrapping my MB in tin foil. Then again, like I said before, private property and all that. Which I 100% support.

Now, don't get me started on stuff like net neutrality.

Yes, I recall the US Congress had inquiries about it about privacy issues and they seemed to think it was fine. All we need is govt approval and it's great!

 

[Tigger's ally]

Big $$ in all the tracking/storing/selling info. All the RFID will keep me away from Disney. Don't have to go there for that We are tracked enough. We are AP holders and us ID to enter. They can keep all their tracking.

Your first sentence said it all. Kind of curious about the rest of your message though. If they use the data to improve the magic, or if they use it to tailor make advertising to a person, then I can see great things from this. However, most people seem to think of the worst.

I work for a printing company and some magazines we print are tailor made to the individual through selectronics. The ad's in a farmers magazine can be expressley for that farmer ( a pig farmer gets ads for pig farming, same fro crop, cattle, etc. )

There are good and bad in everything, and since Disney has never done anything bad with the information they have gotten over the 23 previous trips, I trust them here too.

 

[Raenstoirm]

But if I am in downtown Disney, and simply walk into the store, look around for a minute, then leave without a purchase, and I get an email asking me about THAT PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE, where I did nothing more than browsed in the store...well to me that's simply wrong. And that would spell the end of me wearing the MBs unless I am using them in the parks.

by definition Downtown DISNEY. Their world, their rules.

I always love when this conversation comes up. You are on a forum that sells your info. That is how they can keep a board this large and expensive to maintain afloat. You have an email address. You carry a cell phone. Many people have navigation systems in their cars. You have a kindle/tablet/laptop. I have a garmin (satellite) watch. Some credit cards are RFID. All of these things broadcast info to the world. The idea of privacy is long gone. Disney isn't doing anything to you that isn't happening to you 1000 times a day from other sources.

 

[CFioren317]

I'm not that familiar with Downtown Disney (only visited once in the 90s on a college trip and spent about 20 minutes there in 2011 when I had to buy a pair of pants for my son), but isn't it part of the Walt Disney World resort? I guess I assumed Disney owned the land but leases it to the various store tenants.

Regardless to answer your question...if I enter a private establishment--Disney or otherwise--that private owner has all the right in the world to track my movements in and out. If I don't want them doing it, I don't need to visit. As the saying goes, "their house, their rules."

While I am in their establishment, I agree with you 100% that they can track my movements. But if I leave their establishment without buying anything, then they better forget I was ever there. Otherwise, the magic band is never worn again. I think that is pretty simple and not confusing.

If I buy something, then spam away. I've opened myself up to it. But if I browse, and buy nothing, and that browsing opens me up to spam, then I won't browse again...least not with the MB on again. It's almost like they want to treat your browsing at the B&M store like you are browsing on the web. And it is two totally different things. When I'm on the web, then I am leaving cookies all over the place. When I simply walk into a store, tell the salesperson I am fine, and buy nothing, then I should leave no footprint whatsoever.

If I do, then I would never go back.