Listening to a podcast that brought up masks..

[monica9]

I guess someone from Disney confirmed that masks will be mandatory through 2021. What if instead they just made it mandatory to have all qualifying people ( most likely everyone minus young children) to have a vaccination card? They said everyone will have the ability to be vaccinated by the summer. So why the masks if vaccines work?
Also, another question I have not related to the first, are they still doing make a wish Disney wishes? I heard they are putting make a wish on hold in large crowds. My question is, can maybe once a month Disney close down really early or even one day and only allow make a wish kids and their families in and make it a super special one day thing for them? Breaks my heart that everything is out on hold while life is still passing us by

 

[Farro]

No one has confirmed anything about masks yet.
All anyone can say is what is possible in the future and it's possible masks/distancing will be here in some form through 2021. Or not.

As for Make-a-Wish, I would assume it's due to the safety of the kids, some who are probably immunocompromised.

 

[RollTideinMD]

Enforcing vaccinations sounds really, really complicated. There are so many factors that go into who can and can’t get vaccinated - health reasons, religious views, etc.

I work in HR and manage our company wide COVID policies. We know that a lot of states are unable to follow CDC recommendations for vaccine rollout and I personally know of several people who are eligible for the vaccine based on the current phase and still can’t get vaccinated due to unavailability.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

I guess someone from Disney confirmed that masks will be mandatory through 2021.

I'm sure they are be cautious by saying this as people are booking trips in 2021. If things improve to the point where masks are not necessary it'll be a pleasant surprise to most.

What if instead they just made it mandatory to have all qualifying people ( most likely everyone minus young children) to have a vaccination card? They said everyone will have the ability to be vaccinated by the summer. So why the masks if vaccines work?

There would be a huge uproar if Disney requested medical records to visit. I personally wouldn't have an issue but you know people would.

 

[DreamsCrusher]

Having the ability and actually taking the vaccine are 2 different things. It all depends on how many actually do take the vaccine. If there's too many that don't, then "herd immunity" cannot be declared. (Yes and I know folks will say maybe a lot of those folks already had C-19, and that could be true, but you can't make "herd immunity" assumptions based on "maybe".)

There will not be enforcement. There may need to be increased messaging and education.

 

[monica9]

Having the ability and actually taking the vaccine are 2 different things. It all depends on how many actually do take the vaccine. If there's too many that don't, then "herd immunity" cannot be declared. (Yes and I know folks will say maybe a lot of those folks already had C-19, and that could be true, but you can't make "herd immunity" assumptions based on "maybe".)

There will not be enforcement. There may need to be increased messaging and education.

The only problem with this vaccine though is we don’t know how long it lasts in your system since it’s more of an experimental drug so truthfully Disney should NEVER allow masks to be taken off if that’s the case.

 

[dachsie]

The vaccine does not stop you from spreading it, it only reduces your chance of infection and serious illness. The virus enters your body so you can still spread it. The vaccine helps you fight it with antibodies.

 

[OKW Lover]

I guess someone from Disney confirmed that masks will be mandatory through 2021.

I don't believe that is correct. Haven't seen anything from Disney about this.

What if instead they just made it mandatory to have all qualifying people ( most likely everyone minus young children) to have a vaccination card?

There is no such thing as a vaccination card. The card I got is a simple piece of paper with a couple of stickers on it. That's the way its being done here in Orange County, FL. But its different in other locals.

But more significantly, how would this be enforced? Lets say a person has had the vaccine and waited the proper amount of time so that it is fully effective. How would you know this by just looking at them? Even if you had to produce some kind of documentation, would Disney have CM's randomly stopping people walking around the parks without a mask? And then what, they turn a corner and a second CM's asks them again?

Or, what about a person who hasn't had the vaccine? They enter the park wearing a mask at whatever checkpoint there is. But once past that what keeps them from taking it off and blending in with the crowd that have been vaccinated?

And what about those people who have acquired immunity by actually having contracted the virus? How are those people identified?

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I don't believe that is correct. Haven't seen anything from Disney about this.

Bob Chapek said in the earnings call (in response to a question) that he could see masks being needed into 2022 but then added that they are always re-evaluating and things could change

I think he just wanted it out there so people know that is a possibility and if mask wearing is a deal breaker to you either wait or be prepared to push back your trip. Sort of setting as "worse case scenario" and then it could be not as bad as that

Definitely nothing official - and as we saw they just revised wording for mask wearing at restaurants to make that a bit more stricter (or at a minimum clarify an existing rule) so I wouldn't expect them to ease back on mask wearing any time soon

 

[disneyseniors]

I'm sure they are be cautious by saying this as people are booking trips in 2021. If things improve to the point where masks are not necessary it'll be a pleasant surprise to most.


There would be a huge uproar if Disney requested medical records to visit. I personally wouldn't have an issue but you know people would.

Of course I would "have an issue with that". This is still a free country and medical records are still personal and private. According to FICA, an establishment cannot ask someone Why they aren't wearing a mask. It is no ones business what medical reason there may be or not. By law, some businesses can't even ask. they just assume that if you don't wear a mask, then you must have a medical reason.
Our country isn't at the point where you have to show medical records to be able to access a business, park, store, etc. This happens in China with their chips.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Of course I would "have an issue with that". This is still a free country and medical records are still personal and private. According to FICA, an establishment cannot ask someone Why they aren't wearing a mask. It is no ones business what medical reason there may be or not. By law, some businesses can't even ask. they just assume that if you don't wear a mask, then you must have a medical reason.
Our country isn't at the point where you have to show medical records to be able to access a business, park, store, etc. This happens in China with their chips.

I don't think FICA is what you meant to quote there unless there is a different FICA (non paycheck related) that I'm completely unaware of. Considering masking rules exist at pretty much every business I don't think what you said regarding being able to question someone is accurate at all. From what I have seen/heard, a business is required by the ADA to make a reasonable accommodation and that is where the line has been drawn. Theme parks have been using clear face shields as the alternative for people who can't mask and grocery stores have been using curbside pick up.

Even if you get into grey area issues like service dogs there is a list of questions a business can and cannot ask. It isn't completely hands off.

Personally, I view it similar to traveling to Hawaii. You either needed to provide a negative COVID test or get an exemption based on medical past. If you don't want to share that information, your choices are to either quarantine for 14 days upon arrival or stay home.

 

[dez1978]

I don't believe that is correct. Haven't seen anything from Disney about this.


There is no such thing as a vaccination card. The card I got is a simple piece of paper with a couple of stickers on it. That's the way its being done here in Orange County, FL. But its different in other locals.

But more significantly, how would this be enforced? Lets say a person has had the vaccine and waited the proper amount of time so that it is fully effective. How would you know this by just looking at them? Even if you had to produce some kind of documentation, would Disney have CM's randomly stopping people walking around the parks without a mask? And then what, they turn a corner and a second CM's asks them again?

Or, what about a person who hasn't had the vaccine? They enter the park wearing a mask at whatever checkpoint there is. But once past that what keeps them from taking it off and blending in with the crowd that have been vaccinated?

And what about those people who have acquired immunity by actually having contracted the virus? How are those people identified?

She didn’t say that if you had the vaccine you wouldn’t have to wear the mask. They way I took her post was the vaccine would be mandatory for entry. So CMs wouldn’t have to check every one walking around without a mask bc if they didn’t show proof of vaccine then you can’t come in.

I have 2 different cards saying I was vaccinated. 1 is the official one that has the lot # of both vaccines and is signed By the nurses who administered them. 1 is on my work ID badge which is like the fast pass for the temp line in the morning lol

 

[dez1978]

Of course I would "have an issue with that". This is still a free country and medical records are still personal and private. According to FICA, an establishment cannot ask someone Why they aren't wearing a mask. It is no ones business what medical reason there may be or not. By law, some businesses can't even ask. they just assume that if you don't wear a mask, then you must have a medical reason.
Our country isn't at the point where you have to show medical records to be able to access a business, park, store, etc. This happens in China with their chips.

You are correct it’s a free country. And as such, private companies are free to have requirements to enter their premises.

 

[monica9]

I don't believe that is correct. Haven't seen anything from Disney about this.


There is no such thing as a vaccination card. The card I got is a simple piece of paper with a couple of stickers on it. That's the way its being done here in Orange County, FL. But its different in other locals.

But more significantly, how would this be enforced? Lets say a person has had the vaccine and waited the proper amount of time so that it is fully effective. How would you know this by just looking at them? Even if you had to produce some kind of documentation, would Disney have CM's randomly stopping people walking around the parks without a mask? And then what, they turn a corner and a second CM's asks them again?

Or, what about a person who hasn't had the vaccine? They enter the park wearing a mask at whatever checkpoint there is. But once past that what keeps them from taking it off and blending in with the crowd that have been vaccinated?

And what about those people who have acquired immunity by actually having contracted the virus? How are those people identified?

But you only acquire immunity for a short time once you have Covid.
The vaccine you take doesn’t protect anyone but yourself.
they don’t know how long the vaccine lasts to protect you.
so truthfully we might need to wear masks forever!

 

[monica9]

Of course I would "have an issue with that". This is still a free country and medical records are still personal and private. According to FICA, an establishment cannot ask someone Why they aren't wearing a mask. It is no ones business what medical reason there may be or not. By law, some businesses can't even ask. they just assume that if you don't wear a mask, then you must have a medical reason.
Our country isn't at the point where you have to show medical records to be able to access a business, park, store, etc. This happens in China with their chips.

Let words “at the point”

 

[Heather07438]

From https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-...-disney-dis-q1-2021-earnings-call-transcript/

Bob Chapek -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I won't specifically comment on whether we anticipate getting to '19 revenues by 2022, but I will tell you what our expectations are in terms of the state of the world by then. We have no doubt that when we reopen up in parks that were closed, or increase the capacity, that we'll have some level of social distancing and mask wearing for the remainder of this year. That's our expectation.

But I believe that Dr. Fauci said earlier today that he hopes that there's vaccines for everyone who wants them by April this year. If that happens, that is a game changer. And that could accelerate our expectations and give people the confidence that they need to come back to the parks.

Will there be some overlap until we know that we've hit herd immunity? Sure, there will. But do we also believe that we'll be in the same state of six-foot social distancing and mask wearing in '22? Absolutely not.

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Realize when Disney makes a statement they need to be very cautious it's not misconstrued. Here Bob#2 is saying we expect masks for the rest of 2021 but if things go well with vaccines and the outlook, that would be a game changer. This way people booking trips late in the year are aware upfront that masks & distancing are still totally possible though there's a chance vaccines greatly improve the pandemic outlook... and that would be a game changer.

Makes me think if enough improvement happens over this year we could see a reduction in mitigation strategies. That would be fantastic for our trip in Sept but I'm not 100% counting on it.