Line holders

[smidgy]

You don't need to be able to calculate the wait time. Disney does it for you. If only one person per group waits in line, Disney simply needs to calculate the average group size and multiply that by the number of seconds per person to board, and then post that as the wait time. For example, if the average group size is 2.8 people and it takes each guest 5 seconds to board, and there are 100 people in line, then Disney will post a wait time of 280 virtual people in line times 5 seconds each. This is exactly the same wait time as if all 280 people were actually in line. So when you see a posted wait time of 25 minutes, you can trust it, same as now.

oh for pity's sake. great idea. patent it. formulate a presentation and present it to Iger. .... IN THE MEANTIME.....this is not how disney calculates the estimated wait time. they are experimenting with something similar, with the buzzers at dumbo . children playing in a playground while in a virtual line.. this is great!
maybe you can help them figure out a way to do this at all the attractions. in the meantime.......every person in the party needs to enter the line at the same time in order for them to be considered in the wait time. sigh

 

[JimmyV]

this is not how disney calculates the estimated wait time

Of course it is. Disney knows to within a few minutes exactly how long the wait time is when the line at Space Mountain begins to creep outside of the building. It takes no greater effort to calculate how long the wait would be if each group used a placeholder and the line extended only one third the way through the ramps inside the building. Why do you think that this calculation would be more difficult or less accurate?

 

[smidgy]

because they don't calculate how long the wait would be if each group uses a placeholder. doesn't matter how much greater effort it would take. or how precise your math or calculations are. I didn't say it would be more difficlut or less accurate (no tsaying it won't, but that's a dif. subject) that's a red herring because that's not how they do it now.
they base it on the amount of people who have entered the line and the location of the end of the line. and yes, I have been there in July when a BTG of 20 sidles past to join their freinds up in front.

 

[Mickey'sGF]

because they don't calculate how long the wait would be if each group uses a placeholder. doesn't matter how much greater effort it would take. or how precise your math or calculations are. I didn't say it would be more difficlut or less accurate (no tsaying it won't, but that's a dif. subject) that's a red herring because that's not how they do it now.
they base it on the amount of people who have entered the line and the location of the end of the line. and yes, I have been there in July when a BTG of 20 sidles past to join their freinds up in front.

Just throwing my two cents in, and I could be completely wrong... But don't they use that red card on a lanyard they give to random guests when they enter the line to calculate the wait time?... I didn't think they counted people.... If not, what's the red card for? I'm honestly just curious now lol

 

[TeresaWen]

To me it really does not matter what line holders do to wait times. Not the issue at all

If you or any member of your party would rather do something else than wait in line for an attraction or meet and greet please get a fast pass. Otherwise get behind me and wait like every one else. My husband cannot stand for long periods. I do not hold a place for him. If the wait is too long and we cannot get fast pass we do not ride. I never once thought for a second that it would be even remotely acceptable for me to wait in line for an attraction and have him join me.

No ones time is more valuable than mine. And my time is no more valuable than yours. There is no reason that is acceptable for place in line saving. And everyone should know a parent leaving a line to take a child to the bathroom and back is not remotely like saving a place in line.

 

[Aliceacc]

There's no such thing as a "line holder."

There's one person who is on line.

And a whole lot of people who want to cut the line.

 

[mousefan73]

I was actually thinking about this, this week when hearing about the insane FEA lines etc.... What do people do that need to pee? etc.. or people that cannot physically stand that long.. Not that we would wait that long.. but I have no problem letting a parent and child pass ( assuming potty break).. or what about some one like my mom.. she cannot stand that long.. I mean normall standing she can do .. 30 minutes.. but wait times of over 60 minutes is crossing the line with physical capabilities and no line has benches...

So would it piss people off if my mom waiting outside for a while and then met up with us?? or does she have to go the disabilitiy route and upset other people as she really doesnt need it outside the parks... just for long standing which most people do not need to do in their dailyl lives..

just saying a bench or two in the lines would help. I would HOPE people would be considerate and give them up to pregnant, older or anyone who NEEDS a break.

 

[mousefan73]

I only really get bothered when 1 holds a place for many. Not when many hold a place for 1.

agree! as we are that many and have my mom join us late due to physcail issues.. she is "waiting" she usually looks for seating right outside the ride and then joins us.

She had vertigo and is ok when she is moving.. stopping and standing is an issue. but doesnt need a wheel chair.

 

[TeamH5]

I guess we're gonna roll then. Because if you think it's okay for YOUR kids who have not been standing in line to go past MY kids who have ... yeah, there's going to be a problem.

If you're kids are too young to wait in line, don't get on the ride. If too many rides fall into that category, pick another spot to vacation. plan your Fastpasses better. Go to Legoland. But don't think for a second -- and don't try to convince me or anyone else -- that it's okay that YOUR kids be more entertained while THEIR kids wait in a line. The logic doesn't hold, and there really is no way to justify it.

You're the one making your kids wait in line, not me.. If you didn't, I wouldn't say a darn thing when you did make it to the line.
It's Disney World. It's full of kids, just like you said. You should expect this to happen. If not, pick another place to vacation......

 

[Aliceacc]

Where's the "dislike" button when you need it?

 

[mousefan73]

Disney actually fails here too. They are so good at thinking about every little detail. So why in heavens sake do they nit plan restrooms within ride COMPLEXES. These things are HUGE. take soaring. Would it have hurt to build smaller rest rooms in the holding areas? Same with Space Mountain. Large stand alone buildings

 

[ChloesDaddy]

Um, this wasn't about a ride or a show. It was about snapping a pic with a character.

I do apologize. Without the context of a direct quote on your part I mistakenly assumed you were replying to the practice of line holding in general and took your comments to be the kind of addle-minded straw man arguments I've seen from others to justify such boorish behavior. If it is an open, outdoor queue for a character meet, and if it will be a quick group picture then off you go, as opposed to the every-combination-and-permutation-family-photo-shoot that is seen more and more, that may be perfectly acceptable to a good many others. I'm glad that you agree there is a clear distinction between this very specific open outdoor character line example and queueing up for a ride or show. Again, I do apologize for any misinterpretation on my part.

 

[bashuck]

While I agree with plenty of the points made I think it is a problem to allow yourself to be so worked up and intent on 'personally' stopping people who do something that you feel unfairly benefits them and disadvantages you. I can't see standing in line for 45 minutes in a confrontational mindset several times a day because it may save you 2 minutes that day waiting in line does not make a better vacation. I think there are 4 or 5 other things that people do that are more impactful on wasting everyone else's time and unless you do none of them and correct them on those I don't see the point of getting worked up.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I was actually thinking about this, this week when hearing about the insane FEA lines etc.... What do people do that need to pee? etc.. or people that cannot physically stand that long.. Not that we would wait that long.. but I have no problem letting a parent and child pass ( assuming potty break).. or what about some one like my mom.. she cannot stand that long.. I mean normall standing she can do .. 30 minutes.. but wait times of over 60 minutes is crossing the line with physical capabilities and no line has benches...

So would it piss people off if my mom waiting outside for a while and then met up with us?? or does she have to go the disabilitiy route and upset other people as she really doesnt need it outside the parks... just for long standing which most people do not need to do in their dailyl lives..

just saying a bench or two in the lines would help. I would HOPE people would be considerate and give them up to pregnant, older or anyone who NEEDS a break.

I cannot stand more than an hour. I know I can't. If I don't have FP, I do not get on a line that has a 60+ wait, that's what I do. If I havr to potty, which has happened, I have my family stay and leave to go. I am sure to let a CM know I am doing it. I excuse myself and go. When I return, I go to a CM then look for my family

 

[Jennasis]

We don't block them when they come through. ..we just make them the butt of our jokes for the rest of the day.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

Why do you think that this calculation would be more difficult or less accurate?

I'm having a hard time following this myself. Using an average for the number not waiting in line opens up a significant amount of uncertainty, not only in terms of group size but also in terms of how long it takes before they physically enter the line and no longer have to be imputed. It's also not clear to me how they would come up with this number and maintain its accuracy.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

L

When I'm driving and I finish my cup of Starbucks coffee, I find it terribly inconvenient to keep the empty cup in my car until I arrive at my destination and find a trash can.

Having said that, I would like to make a formal request that I be allowed to throw my empty cup out the window. I mean really, what's the big deal? It's ONLY ONE CUP. Won't make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

(Sarcasm)

Made me think of this...

 

[Slapshot1188]

Huge difference between someone having to leave the line and come back and having part of a group literally run past people to get into a queue and then 10 minutes later have the rest of their group push past "to join their family".

That's simply rude and believing your time is more valuable than others.

On the first day of the new Soarin movie we were at the front of the lines at rope drop and the second inside rope drop. In the rush we got separated. I got to the Soarin entrance and some of my group were still on the stairs down. I simply stood aside and waited for them. It never even dawned on me to do otherwise. Of course, after we were in line there were a few selfish groups that pushed past because their "family" was ahead. If their family really cared they should have waited, just like I did.

 

[Nancyg56]

While I agree with plenty of the points made I think it is a problem to allow yourself to be so worked up and intent on 'personally' stopping people who do something that you feel unfairly benefits them and disadvantages you. I can't see standing in line for 45 minutes in a confrontational mindset several times a day because it may save you 2 minutes that day waiting in line does not make a better vacation. I think there are 4 or 5 other things that people do that are more impactful on wasting everyone else's time and unless you do none of them and correct them on those I don't see the point of getting worked up.

I do not get worked up. I do not have any sort of confrontation. I do however make those rude people ask me to go through, and I can tell you that you know the ones who are bolting up the line for reasons other than bathroom breaks. I may make a comment if I am in a snippy mood over it. Most times I do not.

What bothers me is the reasoning some people use to explain why their time, their vacation, is more important and more valuable than mine. You cannot and in the sun? By all means, I am not going to worry tht you have a beak, get in front of me and enjoy your trip. Your child or a family membe needs a special consideration? By all means, That is what people do....we are just happy you all can be there....step in. Kid ends the bathroom? Shoot, I'll hold your place in line as well as your bags, and flag you down when you come back. But you need to park your special stroller? Mommy cannot function until she has her coffee, a long shower and completed her morning beauty routine so you and the kids are holding her place? Are you kidding me??????

If it is important for my family to snap up a great spot for Wishes, a parade or anything else, including a place in line, we manage to plan it and spend our time doing so. I do not expect anyone else to adjust because of my family, and I resent when I am expected to drop back so someone else can take my place.

WE continue to see this kind of entitlement all of the time. "Oh dear, I have two more people joining my already huge dinner party of 12, and I insist you get them inside every ADR I made when I walk up to the podium. And BTW.....I do not care if anyone else is displaced, please do not ruin my much anticipated meal by seating my sensitive butt in the sun....in a restaurant that has indoor and outdoor seating. Let some stranger who followed the rules swelter. I am much too important, and if you do not accomodate me in the manner I expect I am worth....I will plaster your name all over the Disney message boards."

No one minds adjusting for those people who need a little consideration. We mind someone telling us we do not count.

 

[Nancyg56]

Disney actually fails here too. They are so good at thinking about every little detail. So why in heavens sake do they nit plan restrooms within ride COMPLEXES. These things are HUGE. take soaring. Would it have hurt to build smaller rest rooms in the holding areas? Same with Space Mountain. Large stand alone buildings

FEA is an anomoly right now. You have a fair warning when you enter a queue what the wait time will be unless there is an unforeseen circumstance, so if you see Soarin is at 120 minutes and you have consumed a Big Gulp, perhaps this queue is not the one for you. If that bathroom issue snuck up on you, most folks will be fine allowing you in and out. I cannot imagine the chaos if there were bathrooms within attractions. Yikes!