Line etiquette question

[imthatgirl]

Ummm, what rule did I break? Please show me this rule. Also, where did I state that there was any blame to be given to anyone? Also, I've never, ever seen anyone in the line get upset over this issue.You are misquoting me.

There is no delay, not even a one second delay. Therefore, the value of your personal seconds has no bearing on the issue. Please explain how I am cutting in line. It was my place in line.

sbell...you dont have to answer to him. it seems a waste of time. there are some people in this world that will be unhappy no matter what the situation. ive learned in my many years to ignore those people, its not worth it.

when i go to disney, or anywhere for that matter, i am curtious of others. if for some reason one person in my party had to leave and come back to the line in the same exact spot they left i would think other could respect that, and if they couldnt i wouldnt waste one second of my time worrying about it. i would chaulk it up to just another miserable person.

 

[Tinkerbelle's Mom]

Definitely not a problem with me at all. Especially not with a small child. My husband and I plan on doing this as our son has just turned 2, and we're not sure he'll stand or wait in line for a long time. Of course, we will encourage him to be patient and wait his turn...it's a good time to start to teach that lesson in a fun environment (especially when the reward is something like a ride on Dumbo-you can't beat that for a 2 year old!!). But, if one of us needs to walk off for a few minutes and let him run around or get down to explore the rock over there or watch the other children playing on the sidewalk, we will.


I agree, some people will blatantly abuse the "line etiquette" sensibility. Oh well, what goes around comes around...I just let the universe take care of that one. I'll get on the ride eventually, and I'm going to have a great time.

I know if I'm in line behind you, I will definitely not mind at all. Have a great time!!

Becareful - what you mention in your first paragraph could be defined by some as blatant abuse of line etiquette.

 

[sbell111]

how do you figure....?? To put it simply...

If I walked up to a line that had 10 people in it, I think great, a line w/only 10 people.

In reality those 10 are really 20-30 as each person "in line" also has 1-2 people standing outside or someplace else. My line's not so short now....

So if I get in a line as #10 and in reality I am # 31, how is my wait time exactly the same??

If those people stayed in line as some would demand that they do, you would be #31. If twenty of them leave temporarily and return, you are still #31.

 

[Tinkerbelle's Mom]

If those people stayed in line as some would demand that they do, you would be #31. If twenty of them leave temporarily and return, you are still #31.

I think what the other poster is trying to tell you is (in the situation presented) that when you walk up to a line and only 10 people are in it at the time you enter you have no idea that those 10 people are holding spaces for people. You have no idea that 20 people are about join those 10 people in front of you. Those people in front of you are not advertising the fact that they are holding spaces. You only physically see 10 people (as an aside who would not be exctied to get in a line that short!! LOL!!) you do not see 30 people.

These other people were not in line when you got in line so you had no idea they were there. You do think that you are #11 based on the physical evidence of there only being 10 people in front of you. Now when reality hits and 20 people hop in line and you move from being #11 to #31 I can see being annoyed.

 

[DaveCN]

There is no delay, not even a one second delay. Therefore, the value of your personal seconds has no bearing on the issue.

DUH!

Because I am standing in line as I should have been and you are off gettng a drink, taking a pee, whatever. Your time is not worth standing in line -- apprently you get to come and go from the line as you please. But not me. I just have to let you do that?

And yes, it has a lot to do with being a better parent. Teaching your kids to follow the rules, be courteous to others, respect for everyone.


Like I said, y'all can keep rationalizing your actions - it doesn't make them right. If I see a situation where, as a courtesy I might choose to let someone else back in line due to a personal need, I might just do it. But it seems some people think they have the right to cut back in line. It doesn't work that way.

 

[sbell111]

I don't think it's crazy to get upset if you've been following the rules, waiting patiently in the same hot sun for 30 or 40 minutes, and somebody else comes pushing their way past you to get on the ride without waiting in line. Why are they special? Why are they better than those who wait in line? Why are they more deserving of the up-front space than those who wait?

Because they were in line before you.

Sorry, folks, but in the USofA we are all created equal - and that means we should all wait in the same line, the same way.

That must be something they didn't cover when I took conrtitutional law. I'm going to ask for my tuition back.

Your scenario 2 is flawed in 2 ways:

1) Leaving and returning IS "true cutting".

... in your opinion. I disagree.

2) If I get in the line and there are 38 people ahead of me, but 12 more come to join them AFTER I got into the line, then my wait just increased by 24%. It doesn't matter if they were in the line before I got there - if they were not in the line when I got there, then they get in front of me, they are cutting the line. And it truly does affect me - because my wait time just increased by 24%.

Your wait time didn't change by a single second. Only your perception changed.

... People who negatively impact other people because of their own impatience or lack of consideration, or outright violation of rules or even laws, yes, those people bother me. I don't go on tirades or yell at line cutters; in fact, I don't even blockade them. But yer darn tootin' it bugs me to get in a line with 38 people and have 12 barge their way past me, making my wait time increase significantly, just because they think they have a valid excuse for breaking the rules, or simply don't' care about the rules.

Perhaps you should try to relax a little and be just a bit more compassionate and understanding.

Yes, Walt made WDW for everybody, but if you asked him, somehow I doubt that he'd agree that it's okay to cut in line just because your kid is not yet capable of waiting in line.

I think it's funny when people try to paste their positions onto Walt Disney and use him to supprt their point. The truth is, you have no clue what he would have thought about this. Not only that, but he isn't in charge any more. His hypothetical opinion isn't pertainent to this conversation.

If it was okay to barge your way forward without waiting, they wouldn't have built queue areas to begin with.

Please don't twist the positions of others. Its a poor debate tactic.

Well, I'm sick of people who constantly break rules and justify it by saying, in effect, "But I should be allowed to break the rules because it's so hard for ME to follow them! MY situation is unique! I'm SPECIAL!"

-->ERRRR! Wrong answer Hans! Would you like to try for Double Jeopardy, where the scores can really change?!<--

"But it's hard!" is no excuse for not managing your kids' behavior and teaching them proper line etiquette.

Ummm, the people whining in this thread are not the ones who disagree with you. (Look in the mirror.)

Line etiquette is not just for theme parks - it also applies to stores, fast food restaurants, banks, schools, and just about every other place else in real life. "Wait your turn" is an important lesson, and a very simple and easy one, that kids can and should learn from a very early age. It is, in fact, one that used to be taught at the pre-school level, along with "sharing," "no biting," and "that's not yours." But parents teaching a kid that it's okay to get out of line and get back in again later undercuts that valuable lesson.

Whatever. In every one of those scenarios, it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to hold your place in line if you had to leave it for whatever reason. The simple fact is, in the real world people are more compassionate than in the forum world.

 

[sbell111]

Some people on this board would define what that 13 yo did as cutting.

maybe they would, but she returned to her place in line...so no cutting was involved.

Had the mom allowed the person to hold their place, they would have also returned to their place in line, so no cutting would have been involved.

 

[WillCAD]

If those people stayed in line as some would demand that they do, you would be #31. If twenty of them leave temporarily and return, you are still #31.

If 20 people leave the line, there are then 10 people in the line. If I get into the line at that point, I'm #11, not #31.

But then when the 20 line cutters get into the line in front of me, I've become #31 instead of #11.

How is this not line cutting? They were never in line in front of me. They were not "returning," because they were never in front of ME or any of the people who got in line while they were gone - the line was 10 people when I got into it, not 30. Your argument that they are "returning" may hold water for the people who were in line behind them when they left, but for the scads of people who get into line when they are not there, it's cutting, pure and simple.

A line is not a static crowd. It continuously grows and gets longer at the back as people move out of it into the attraction at the front. If someone gets out of line, then get into the line later at the same point, they are not "returning" to the line - they are cutting in front of all the people who weren't in the line when they left.

It's cutting. It's wrong. And it's against the rules, even though CMs rarely enforce the rules because they are told to never be confrontational with a Guest.

 

[DaveCN]

That must be something they didn't cover when I took conrtitutional law.

We covered that first day, right after Marbury v. Madison. But we spelled it "constitutional law".



Back on topic.

I guess what it boils down to is this - if you leave the line, you have no right to expect that you will be let back in the same place.

Each person who talks about those who want to hold to the rule not being courteous or compassionate needs to turn that argument and look at it the other way. To those whom you are trying to sneak past, for whatever reason, they may see you as not being courteous or compassionate to them.

So, if you get out of line, you are taking a risk - a risk that someone will not want to let you back in.

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[sbell111]

meh, whatever makes you feel better.

If you try to get past me in line, I'll smile, say no, and just go about my business. I wont get mad, get angry, or be uptight.

I just wont let you past.

I suppose it is because I would not presume that it is okay for me to do the same to you and jump in front when you have been waiting.

You realize that you have neither the power nor the authority to stop anyone from returning to their family, right?

 

[DaveCN]

You realize that you have neither the power nor the authority to stop anyone from returning to their family, right?

I've done it before. They dont have the power or authority to cut in line either. Would I let it escalate to the level of the woman who just got jail time over it - obviously not. I just politely say I am not letting them past, and it has never gone any farther.

sbell...you dont have to answer to him. it seems a waste of time. there are some people in this world that will be unhappy no matter what the situation. ive learned in my many years to ignore those people, its not worth it.

I am very happy at WDW. As happy as they come. I would imagine you ignoring the feelings (happy or not) of those whom you are cutting in line helps ease your conscience.


I'm done arguing - see what I said above. You get out of line, maybe people let you back, maybe not. You have not entitlement to returning to "your" spot in line.

 

[queenofhartz]

Becareful - what you mention in your first paragraph could be defined by some as blatant abuse of line etiquette.

Hi Tinkerbelle's Mom! I understand your point. It's clear from this thread that there are some people that will view my actions as blatant abuse of line etiquette. And, I do agree and disagree with some of their points. In the end, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I will make the decision that I feel is best all around for my family and for the other guests at Disney. Use your best judgment, exercise some tolerance and compassion, have a great time at Disney, know not everyone will agree with your decisions all the time, and keep it moving. I think that's the best we can do. Everyone on this board has made some good points, we just don't always agree. I guess that's part of the charm of the Dis.

 

[imthatgirl]

Had the mom allowed the person to hold their place, they would have also returned to their place in line, so no cutting would have been involved.

i agree, and like i aid, just ignore those that dont agree. its not worth your time.
and for what its worth it does seem much better to just get the fast pass then to have to return to a long line

 

[kadesha]

I would never "hold" a place in line while my family does other things. However, I have a daughter with kidney problems and I will hold the place if DH and she have to get out of line for a bathroom trip. If anyone said anything to me about it, I would explain the situation and hopefully they would understand.

 

[imthatgirl]

I've done it before. They dont have the power or authority to cut in line either. Would I let it escalate to the level of the woman who just got jail time over it - obviously not. I just politely say I am not letting them past, and it has never gone any farther.




I am very happy at WDW. As happy as they come. I would imagine you ignoring the feelings (happy or not) of those whom you are cutting in line helps ease your conscience.


I'm done arguing - see what I said above. You get out of line, maybe people let you back, maybe not. You have not entitlement to returning to "your" spot in line.

nothing you have written makes you seem like a very happy person. of course i dont know you and your words are all i have to go on.

 

[sbell111]

No one likes line cutting but I don't worry about it. I am too busy having a great time at WDW. Plus I think these boards make it seem like it is a major problem at Disney but I don't think it really is. I only noticed line cutting once during my last three trips.

On my last trip in January, we went on Space Mountain during EMH. The line was moving but then stopped. We had a group of teenagers in front of us and parents behind us. Three teenage boys came up the fast past line and then hopped the rail to join the teenage group in front of us. My DBF gave me the look and I just said don't worry about it. Well, a very angry father behind us just started yelling at the kids about line cutting, not fair, we've been waiting, blah, blah, blah. Well of course the kids just started yelling right back saying they just had to go to the restroom (but really they were just getting FP's for the group), blah, blah, blah so we were treated with 10 minutes of random yelling until finally both groups just shut up. The teenage group in front of us looked at us and said we are really sorry and I said "No problem and we weren't the ones yelling at you" and they smiled and said thanks.

My point is yes the boys were cutting but I didn't let it get to me and I actually didn't remember the incident until now. But I bet that angry father behind us remembers the incident and he let it spoil his trip. My DBF was about to let the cutting spoil his trip but after the angry father went on a yelling-fest, my DBF was very happy he kept his mouth shut and we both felt very sorry for the group of teenagers.

Yes cutting is annoying to me but I'm not letting it spoil my trip. It is all about perspective and what you choose to let bother you. My DBF was very happy that he didn't let his anger take over because now he just looks back at the trip without one bad memory.

The very same thing happened on our January trip (except for the yelling). The teens were having fun and were somewhat amusing to watch them interact. It is actually a happy memory from the trip. I'm thankful that the kids cut in line ahead of us.

 

[Tinkerbelle's Mom]

Hi Tinkerbelle's Mom! I understand your point.

Everyone on this board has made some good points, we just don't always agree. I guess that's part of the charm of the Dis.

That is so true. That is why I said becareful. I have disagreed with the majority on other threads and have been ripped to threads over it.

 

[sbell111]

I think what the other poster is trying to tell you is (in the situation presented) that when you walk up to a line and only 10 people are in it at the time you enter you have no idea that those 10 people are holding spaces for people. You have no idea that 20 people are about join those 10 people in front of you. Those people in front of you are not advertising the fact that they are holding spaces. You only physically see 10 people (as an aside who would not be exctied to get in a line that short!! LOL!!) you do not see 30 people.

These other people were not in line when you got in line so you had no idea they were there. You do think that you are #11 based on the physical evidence of there only being 10 people in front of you. Now when reality hits and 20 people hop in line and you move from being #11 to #31 I can see being annoyed.

Your point is well made.

Of course, we are discussing extreme hypothetical examples. In reality, there is more likely to be 100 people ahead of us and only one or two leaving and returning so reality and perception are basically equal.

 

[Tinkerbelle's Mom]

Your point is well made.

Of course, we are discussing extreme hypothetical examples. In reality, there is more likely to be 100 people ahead of us.

I agree that the situation is extreme but I would love it if every line in entered at WDW or DL only had 10 people in it!!!

 

[sbell111]

DUH!

Because I am standing in line as I should have been and you are off gettng a drink, taking a pee, whatever. Your time is not worth standing in line -- apprently you get to come and go from the line as you please. But not me. I just have to let you do that?

Actually, you do. You see, you have no control, power, or authority over me. You can choose have a Donald Duck-like meltdown, but you don't really have the option to allow or disallow me from rejoining my family.

Sorry.