Line Cutting

[delmar411]

We too ate at Pecos Bills last week (June 3rd) as well as on May 27th before Memorial day. They had no one there guiding people to seats or restricting them. We also ate at Cosmic rays on the Sunday before Memorial Day. Again, no one was policing the area making sure you had food before you took your seats. I guess it's quiet sporadic as to when they do this.



We have never had an issue when finding open seating. However, if there were Cast Members there controlling it, we would abide. So I guess I'm not sure what the point is? If there are no cast members there, you don't have any objection to some members of the party taking a seat while another orders food. That is what we do. We only travel in summer (last 4 major trips) and have never had a CM restrict us from sitting down without our food.

We've never seen this either except this past trip. We don't eat at Pecos but this setup was in place at Cosmic Ray's every day we were at the MK over the past 3 weeks. I actually found it nice as they had a CM waving us over to a table that actually fit our family. Normally we just take whatever is available and make due.

 

[sandym718]

I do have to say, all joking aside, I do have a very weak bladder & have had surgery, so when I have to go.. I have to go.. get the hint. There were times that when I would go with my kids when they were teens, I would let them go ahead of me while I ran into the bath room. I did catch up to them before they were that far into the line. I saw nothing wrong in that. What is the difference in an adult having to potty as with a child having to go? I have excused my self past people. I know I made my joke before, but I don't line cut. I hate line cutters and I don't do that. I will however (have and will do again) catch up to my party because I had to make a fast pit stop..when I go now with my kids, they are young adults.. so yes, you will see me going thru the line asking to catch up with my family... no difference between me and a child in having to go.. both small weak bladders..

I'm sorry, but to me this IS cutting in line. You are entering a line you were never in, ahead of people who were waiting. I think that's the definition of cutting. Now if you were IN the line and had a bathroom emergency, I guess that would be OK. I still think as an adult you should just wait in line. If you have to leave it because you really need the bathroom, then either just skip the ride or wait again. I'm one that sees LITTLE children differently - and I mean little as in the age 2-4 just potty trained stage or the baby "filled the diaper" stage. No way my 7 or 9 year old would leave the line for the bathroom and come back to it - their options are: hold it or skip the ride/wait again. Best option is to go BEFORE getting in the line, as we remind them frequently.

But as to your above scenarios, I do see that as cutting in line. Your teens/young adults should just wait for you to use the bathroom and then you enter the line all together. You said yourself that your pit stop is "fast" so what's the problem with just waiting? Why should you (and I'm not attacking you personally, but I mean a generic you that chooses this option) move ahead of people who were waiting while you chose to do something else? Bathroom, Mickey Bar, Fast Pass, whatever?

 

[angelmichelle]

Do people really let this issue bother them that much? Reading this thread makes my head hurt...

I go to vacation to have great memories and a great time. If you want to get back in line because you had to go to the bathroom... I'm not gonna cry about it... and if you want to go meet up with your family, so be it.

It sort of astounds me at how big of an issue this is. But, I agree with the previous poster who said that these boards tend to be a venting place, etc... because, I've never seen any of these situations or outright rudeness occur at WDW..

My two cents.

 

[Wadecool]

Right. If there are plenty of tables and the owner (WDW in this case) determines there's no need to control seating, go ahead and send your party to sit. Why not? You're not forcing a dad with a three year old and a tray of food to stand against the wall, balancing the tray, trying to feed the toddler and keep him from running around, and trying to grab a bite ir a sip himself once every few minutes.

I've actually been in the scenario described in bold when I took DD3 to the local zoo by myself and we ate at a CS food place. Not. Fun. At. All.

 

[Finiamh]

Actually I was a victim of about 7 people bypassing part of the queue zig-zag in Space Mountain and opening a gate in front of me and cutting right on in and not even looking at me. They had two little children with them and I even heard one of the ladies tell one of the kids "Oh we are just going through a gate". It's my faulty my head was in my phone by the time they did all this they were already in front of me and no CM around. Me and the people behind me were trying to pick our mouths off the floor to say anything.

That will be the only time that ever happens to me and I don't say anything to them and/or a CM.

Lesson learned to pay attention in a queue, you never know what some people might pull.

Oh, and if there is one person in your party trying to catch up with you cause a kid had to potty, maybe, 3 people or more, no they aren't getting by. Sorry just the way a line works, get in when you are supposed to get in or wait behind the 20 other people that got there before your group.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

That will be the only time that ever happens to me and I don't say anything to them and/or a CM.

Lesson learned to pay attention in a queue, you never know what some people might pull.

That lesson will bring you angst and fretfulness at a minimum.

 

[fan1080]

I've just had a fantastic idea, could make me a fortune.

Judging by how many would block someone from passing them in line, no matter what the reason is, I'm going to create a clothing line with a "Line Police" theme!!!

Shirts, sweaters, jackets, arm bands, head bands, caps, you name it. If you buy for your whole family, there'll be a "Line Police Family" discount and matching, customized, family Buttons/pins.

I'mm gonna be rich.

I think I'll even comission a Line Police Theme song so ya'll can play it when action is required.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I've actually been in the scenario described in bold when I took DD3 to the local zoo by myself and we ate at a CS food place. Not. Fun. At. All.

I'm so sorry about that! I was trying to create a completely hypothetical situation.

 

[1girln3boys]

We are a family of 6 with 2 small children that ofter get hyper through out the day or grumpy. Sometimes standing in a crowded line they will play fight or just get really antsy. We try our best to make them be still but it doesn't always work. So for us it was best for one of the parents to find a table with the 2 little ones while the other waited for the food with one of the big ones. We always ordered first then went to find a table.
Most of the time it wasn't a problem till we ate at Backlot. It was pretty crowded and DH found a table where a family was getting up. He was there for about 5 min when a lady came up and tried to take the table from him. He said "Sorry this table it taken". She gave him an evil glare and went to another table that was empty. That table was empty the same time as ours but wouldn't hold our family of 6, She sits down and when her party sat with her she kept pointing to my husband and glaring back at him.
After I came with our food husband got up and got ketchup and napkins. The 3 boys got up to get their drinks so it was just me and my daugher sitting with our food. I was placing the food in everyones spots and I motioned to my daughter to sit across from me. A lady was standing with her tray behind me and asked if she could sit there. I said "Sorry this table is already taken" We had our food on the table. She also glared at me and stood behind us and placed her tray on a little edge behind my husband's seat and just continued to give me the evil eye. Both ladies were wearing the same shirt so they were with the same group. Maybe they all wanted to sit together but it was all adults so IMO it's better for them to sit at different tables then my kids and me to sit at different tables. I don't think it's rude to hold a table if you are traveling with small kids or in a large group it just makes it easier.

 

[Deb & Bill]

At Cosmic Ray's last week, you could not enter the main dining room if you did not have food. They had line barricades/ropes set up and you had to line up to enter the dining area. All the doors had CMs guarding the door so you could not enter the dining area without having food.

At Pecos Bill's they had CMs with "Sheriff's Badge Signs" and telling guests they could not be seated without food.

This was the first time I had seen either of these situations, but I did see both of them. This was on Tuesday, June 7, because that was the day they did the computer upgrades and you could not use your KTTW to place a self order at Pecos Bill's.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Right. If there are plenty of tables and the owner (WDW in this case) determines there's no need to control seating, go ahead and send your party to sit. Why not? You're not forcing a dad with a three year old and a tray of food to stand against the wall, balancing the tray, trying to feed the toddler and keep him from running around, and trying to grab a bite ir a sip himself once every few minutes.

Your post is inconsistent yet again. If there are plenty of tables, then there would be no hypothetical single dad with a 3 year old who is standing against a wall and balancing his tray while feeding/controlling the toddler and trying to eat/drink himself.

Again, our family tends to grab a table upon entering a CS restaurant as our kids are often tired and it's a great time for them to relax rather than stand around in yet another line or stand somewhere else. I see no issue with this as long as there are empty tables around. My DW is very cognizant & aware of our surroundings. She is also quite compassionate and we will always accomodate others if we see someone in your hypothetical Dad & toddler situation whether it's letting someone join us or giving up our seats before we are done with our meal. However, this has simply just never been an issue in all of our visits including the one we just returned from about a week ago.

If we ever see one of these CM's who don't allow you to sit without food, we'd be happy to oblige. I'm amazed at seeing a couple of reports that they were there policing the restaurants when we were there earlier this month. Yet, we never ran across any ourselves. That must be because we try to eat at off times to minimize waits and have time to relax. I guess that strategy pays off as we don't have to deal with crowds of people fighting for empty tables nor deal with Disney CM's who police the tables. We just thought we were doing it to minimize waiting in food queues and never gave the table situation a second thought.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

At Cosmic Ray's last week, you could not enter the main dining room if you did not have food. They had line barricades/ropes set up and you had to line up to enter the dining area. All the doors had CMs guarding the door so you could not enter the dining area without having food.

At Pecos Bill's they had CMs with "Sheriff's Badge Signs" and telling guests they could not be seated without food.

This was the first time I had seen either of these situations, but I did see both of them. This was on Tuesday, June 7, because that was the day they did the computer upgrades and you could not use your KTTW to place a self order at Pecos Bill's.

What about the tables in the main area at Cosmic Rays? How would they police those as they are in the same room as the food ordering lines?

At Pecos Bills, that's a lot of doors to monitor. I can't imagine trying to monitor each and every door that enters the dining rooms.

Did you eat only at peak times as we never saw any of this on our trip May 26th to June 4th?

 

[Wadecool]

What about the tables in the main area at Cosmic Rays? How would they police those as they are in the same room as the food ordering lines?

At Pecos Bills, that's a lot of doors to monitor. I can't imagine trying to monitor each and every door that enters the dining rooms.

Did you eat only at peak times as we never saw any of this on our trip May 26th to June 4th?

We never saw any of this either when we were there during the first week of May and we ate at both Pecos Bills and Cosmic Rays.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I'm sorry, but to me this IS cutting in line. You are entering a line you were never in, ahead of people who were waiting. I think that's the definition of cutting. Now if you were IN the line and had a bathroom emergency, I guess that would be OK. I still think as an adult you should just wait in line. If you have to leave it because you really need the bathroom, then either just skip the ride or wait again. I'm one that sees LITTLE children differently - and I mean little as in the age 2-4 just potty trained stage or the baby "filled the diaper" stage. No way my 7 or 9 year old would leave the line for the bathroom and come back to it - their options are: hold it or skip the ride/wait again. Best option is to go BEFORE getting in the line, as we remind them frequently.

But as to your above scenarios, I do see that as cutting in line. Your teens/young adults should just wait for you to use the bathroom and then you enter the line all together. You said yourself that your pit stop is "fast" so what's the problem with just waiting? Why should you (and I'm not attacking you personally, but I mean a generic you that chooses this option) move ahead of people who were waiting while you chose to do something else? Bathroom, Mickey Bar, Fast Pass, whatever?

well I guess then we can agree to disagree.. , I don't see it as cutting. If I am a party of say 4, my "party" will take 2 cars up on a ride that holds 2 in each car.. so if I am on line at that minute or not, it will not effect how fast you get on that ride.. therefore, I am not cutting in front of you.. just joining my party.....

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Getting away from the saving a table discussion, my opinion on line cutting from our recent trip is this.

Before this last trip, I was adamant that I thought any line cutting was wrong. If your child had to use the bathroom, too bad. Every family should enter the queue together, etc.

After our last visit, I am much more acceptable of an occassional line cutter. It was just not that big of an issue. Yes, we came across adults/teens trying to catch up to their family. Yes, we came across parents with a small child trying to catch up (bathroom break?). Yes, we came across families trying to cut through aggressively in the holding rooms. Yes, we even had a family trying to simply edge there way past others in the fairly wide queue for Kilamanjaro Safari.

But you know, it really wasn't that big a deal. We were having a great time and we weren't going to worry about someone who needed to get there a little early. I don't always agree with it, but I'm not going to worry either unless it becomes a big problem. At this time, it's not an issue.

We did have an issue though with the families that didn't look around for a queue before barging up to a character, photopass photographer or other popular picture taking area. Many familes are oblivious and thus, inconsiderate of anyone else around them.

 

[sam_gordon]

We never saw any of this either when we were there during the first week of May and we ate at both Pecos Bills and Cosmic Rays.

When were at SWW and tried to go into the Commissary to cool down and plan what we were doing next you needed to order food in order to sit down. This was around lunch time.

A couple hours later... no problem. Food or no food, you could sit. I can see how(and why) Disney would selectively enforce this.

 

[GinnyEmma]

Interesting change if heart, Sam.

 

[Disney Doll]

I'll be the dissenting voice and say that I don't have a problem with someone catching up with someone in line. I've never done it but if someone does it I gladly let them through. It has such a negligible impact on my day and hopefully allows someone to ride with someone they care about - it's not worth worrying about.

I don't either, as long as the person poltiely says "Excuse me but may I pass you to join my fmaily up ahead" and waits for me to smile and move aside.

I would have BIG problem with someone pushing me or any of my party out of their way without saying a word.

 

[DisneySarah80]

well I guess then we can agree to disagree.. , I don't see it as cutting. If I am a party of say 4, my "party" will take 2 cars up on a ride that holds 2 in each car.. so if I am on line at that minute or not, it will not effect how fast you get on that ride.. therefore, I am not cutting in front of you.. just joining my party.....

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. If every family has this additude, where would we be? Its OK for you guys to do it, but no one else? Or is it OK for everyone to do this, hence no one ever gets on a ride because everyone else is more important than the next person.
You get out of line, for whatever reason, you do not get back in where you "left off." You left the line, hence negating your position in that line. No matter if you babys daddy is still standing there.

 

[Disney Doll]

Not accounting for rudeness and unacceptable behavior, we're advised to send one parent to be the FP runner and have the other parent get in line with the kids. Is it acceptable for the FP runner to catch up with his/her family? My very large husband would die if someone confronted him for "line-cutting." We may need to switch roles.

Generally I would imagine that if your very large husband politely said "Excuse me but my wife and children are up ahead. may I pass by you to join them?" then he wouldn't have a problem. And if someone was nasty enough ot give him a problem,then your other alternative is to step aside and let others pass until the part of the line DH is in catches up to you and then join him.