Line Cutting

[SafetyPinndSally]

If a child needs to leave the line, then I have no problem letting them pass by me both leaving and coming back. I myself I have issues(recent Gallbladder removal has screwed me for life) and would hope that those around me would be compassionate. However, four teens/adults who "lost" their party...well you'll find them at the end of the ride because you will not make it past me. I would never physically block someone, but I would give them a tongue lashing that would probably send them to the end of the line with their tails between their legs.

As for saving seats...doesn't bother me in the slightest if I see people doing this. DH and I don't, but that's because we like waiting for our food together...gives us someone to talk to. Also we don't eat CS very often so really we've never thought long and hard about it.

 

[YodaGirl]

I could give you the real example that happened last May.

I was in line at HM. There was a man and 2 kids up in front of me... probably 10-15 families ahead of me. All of a sudden, there were 5 kids and 3 adults behind me. They were all trying to push their way up to the rest of their aforementioned family.

When I told the man (who was 6'5 and built like a brick house) that no, I would not move for him to cut in front of me, he started swearing at me and wound up to take a swing at me. One of the women in the party stopped him, but CMs did get involved.


The guy's excuse "My kids wanted a #*!@ Mickey bar, so we stopped to get one on our way into the line"

That is just plain rude. The fact that he would take a swing at someone in line makes me concerned for how he is behind closed doors.

At the same time, I think that there's a difference in that situation and one involving a child having to use the bathroom. Of course, I'm not bothered by the one adult politely catching up with his/her family, either. I just assume that they had a valid reason (i.e. not requiring a Mickey bar) that caused them to be catching [back] up with their family. I tend to assume the best in people, unless they demonstrate otherwise (like the guy in your aforementioned situation).

 

[kaytieeldr]

Interesting that you mentioned Pecos Bill's as that is the restaurant that I usually have in my mind when thinking about CS.

As has been mentioned previously in this thread, it's hard to tell if someone is waiting for food or if they're just taking up space. To prevent guesswork on the part of the CM, they prohibit anyone from sitting without food. It's plausible. It still goes back to the fire code argument. They can't have more people in the building than allowed by fire marshal. It's just good business sense to have seating for the amount allowed by the fire marshal.

No, really, it has nothing to do with the Fire Marshall and the number of seats. The number of seats don't change.
Once again, Walt Disney World institutes this procedure at some of its counter service restaurants at peak dining times during busy travel periods. They started it in response to too many complaints from guests with food who couldn't find seating. And it works.
They don't do it every day, or all day - just when the restaurants will be super-busy.

 

[YodaGirl]

No, really, it has nothing to do with the Fire Marshall and the number of seats. The number of seats don't change.
Once again, Walt Disney World institutes this procedure at some of its counter service restaurants at peak dining times during busy travel periods. They started it in response to too many complaints from guests with food who couldn't find seating. And it works.
They don't do it every day, or all day - just when the restaurants will be super-busy.

No, the number of seats do not change. Since the number of seats don't change, it stands to reason that there is a much greater chance of filling to capacity during peak times. This would cause Disney to be extra vigilant in ensuring that only patrons (those who have paid and those in line to pay) of the restaurant are sitting down.

Since it impossible to determine which group a person falls into unless they actually have food at the table, it stands to reason that they would only allow people with food to sit down. Otherwise, one could say, "Oh, I'm waiting for my food." when, in fact, they just want a place to sit.

 

[happytexasmom]

I could give you the real example that happened last May.

I was in line at HM. There was a man and 2 kids up in front of me... probably 10-15 families ahead of me. All of a sudden, there were 5 kids and 3 adults behind me. They were all trying to push their way up to the rest of their aforementioned family.

When I told the man (who was 6'5 and built like a brick house) that no, I would not move for him to cut in front of me, he started swearing at me and wound up to take a swing at me. One of the women in the party stopped him, but CMs did get involved.


The guy's excuse "My kids wanted a #*!@ Mickey bar, so we stopped to get one on our way into the line"

I can understand those 8 people trying to get inline being rude or obnoxious, I personally wouldnt have gotten into a physical altercation over it though. As for the thought that my DH would have to touch someone to go through the line, other than the occasional gentle tap on the sholder.........no he doesnt, he is no toothpick by all means but not a huge fat guy either, no need to shove.
And let me just say that the stroller parking thing happened only a couple of times and more than once on different rides I had to get out of line to take one of the kids to restroom and when we would come back I would go to the end of the line, I'm not gonna search for my group through 100 people just to catch up to them.

And I would like to add that when my husband passed people to catch up to us people were super polite, smiled, even scooted a little so he could have more room. Not 1 ugly look. Thats why we have always loved Disney, it truly is a happy place............it just seems like behind a computer screen we tend to try and be more caty.

 

[kaytieeldr]

No, the number of seats do not change. Since the number of seats don't change, it stands to reason that there is a much greater chance of filling to capacity during peak times. This would cause Disney to be extra vigilant in ensuring that only patrons (those who have paid and those in line to pay) of the restaurant are sitting down.

Since it impossible to determine which group a person falls into unless they actually have food at the table, it stands to reason that they would only allow people with food to sit down. Otherwise, one could say, "Oh, I'm waiting for my food." when, in fact, they just want a place to sit.

No, because the number of seats don't change, only X people can be seated at a given time. The ones who need seats are the ones prepared to eat - those in possession of food.

The guests who don't yet have food simply want to sit for their convenience, who think they won't get seats fifteen or twenty minutes after they get in line because they see full tables.

Walt Disney World has determined that at certain times of year/times of day/counter service locations it's necessary for them to control access to the tables so people with just-purchased food can sit and eat. They don't do it every day or all day or year-round or at every location, but when they do it's so things run smoothly.

Nothing to do with the Fire Marshall or people coming in off the street to cool down or bringing food from other restaurants (despite KSDisneyDad's actions ).

 

[happytexasmom]

Am I the only one who finds it really amusing that people are now getting their husbands into hypothetical physical altercations over hypothetical incidents that haven't even happened??

My hubby just pointed that out to me.

Thats funny my DH is going to end up in hypothetical jail and doesnt even know it yet.


But seriously, I want to make it clear that My DH would never, and I mean NEVER hit or shove or puts hands on a woman.........or for that matter try to pick a fight with a man in a family place like WDW. But if someone layed hands on him I would be the crazy weirdo in someones face and calling for CM's. There really just isnt ever any reason why someone should think its ok to hurt others especially not over a place in line. It kind of reminds me of the man that got shot for taking someones parking spot. And it makes no difference who is right or wrong on this discussion no one should put thier hands on any one else in a hurtful or threatining way.

ok.........glad I got that out of my system........have a great night everyone

 

[YodaGirl]

No, because the number of seats don't change, only X people can be seated at a given time. The ones who need seats are the ones prepared to eat - those in possession of food.

The guests who don't yet have food simply want to sit for their convenience, who think they won't get seats fifteen or twenty minutes after they get in line because they see full tables.

Walt Disney World has determined that at certain times of year/times of day/counter service locations it's necessary for them to control access to the tables so people with just-purchased food can sit and eat. They don't do it every day or all day or year-round or at every location, but when they do it's so things run smoothly.

Nothing to do with the Fire Marshall or people coming in off the street to cool down or bringing food from other restaurants (despite KSDisneyDad's actions ).

Well, theoretically, there should be enough seats for the maximum number of patrons allowed by fire code. Thus, the only reason for people to not be able to find a seat is that people who are not legit patrons of the establishment are sitting in seats.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter why they do what they do. When there are seating issues, it seems as though CMs are prepared and are therefore policing the dining area, making the subject not-debatable (well, I guess there are people who argue with CMs, but that's a different topic). When it's not an issue, there are no policing CMs. Of course, there shouldn't be a problem finding a table, either.

Bottom line is, people should follow the instructions of the CMs. If someone doesn't like what's going on, they should mention it to a CM. There are many instances where what people think should be done and what Disney actually does don't coincide. But, I guess that could be a different topic, too.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Thats funny my DH is going to end up in hypothetical jail and doesnt even know it yet.

So, wait. Do you need us to send him a hypothethetical cake with a hypothethetical file baked in it?

 

[A Mickeyfan]

If a child needs to leave the line, then I have no problem letting them pass by me both leaving and coming back. I myself I have issues(recent Gallbladder removal has screwed me for life) and would hope that those around me would be compassionate. However, four teens/adults who "lost" their party...well you'll find them at the end of the ride because you will not make it past me. I would never physically block someone, but I would give them a tongue lashing that would probably send them to the end of the line with their tails between their legs.

As for saving seats...doesn't bother me in the slightest if I see people doing this. DH and I don't, but that's because we like waiting for our food together...gives us someone to talk to. Also we don't eat CS very often so really we've never thought long and hard about it.

I do have to say, all joking aside, I do have a very weak bladder & have had surgery, so when I have to go.. I have to go.. get the hint. There were times that when I would go with my kids when they were teens, I would let them go ahead of me while I ran into the bath room. I did catch up to them before they were that far into the line. I saw nothing wrong in that. What is the difference in an adult having to potty as with a child having to go? I have excused my self past people. I know I made my joke before, but I don't line cut. I hate line cutters and I don't do that. I will however (have and will do again) catch up to my party because I had to make a fast pit stop..when I go now with my kids, they are young adults.. so yes, you will see me going thru the line asking to catch up with my family... no difference between me and a child in having to go.. both small weak bladders..

 

[focusondisney]

Wow! I had page 14 on the over/ under for thread lock down. Who knew we'd really make it this far. Looks like we're almost at the end tho.

 

[Wadecool]

Thats funny my DH is going to end up in hypothetical jail and doesnt even know it yet.


But seriously, I want to make it clear that My DH would never, and I mean NEVER hit or shove or puts hands on a woman.........or for that matter try to pick a fight with a man in a family place like WDW. But if someone layed hands on him I would be the crazy weirdo in someones face and calling for CM's. There really just isnt ever any reason why someone should think its ok to hurt others especially not over a place in line. It kind of reminds me of the man that got shot for taking someones parking spot. And it makes no difference who is right or wrong on this discussion
no one should put their hands on any one else in a hurtful or threatining way.

ok.........glad I got that out of my system........have a great night everyone

I think it was this line from one of your previous posts (post #184) that led to the confusion: "then you would have gotten a bit of a shock and would have probably been pretty upset for the
rest of the day cuz he would have just ignored u and went around you". See, this makes it
sound as if your DH was just going to go where he wanted and no one could could stop him. Good
to see that you understand now that a person can't just walk around people in line, if those other
people aren't ok with it.

 

[happytexasmom]

I think it was this line from one of your previous posts (post #184) that led to the confusion: "then you would have gotten a bit of a shock and would have probably been pretty upset for the
rest of the day cuz he would have just ignored u and went around you". See, this makes it
sound as if your DH was just going to go where he wanted and no one could could stop him. Good
to see that you understand now that a person can't just walk around people in line, if those other
people aren't ok with it.

No, I meant what I said, he would have gone around. Not pushed, not shoved, not hit. When the other poster said she would have "stoped him" that sounded a lot like she would physicaly stop him and thats a big problem in my book.

 

[stargazertechie]

No, I meant what I said, he would have gone around. Not pushed, not shoved, not hit. When the other poster said she would have "stoped him" that sounded a lot like she would physicaly stop him and thats a big problem in my book.

So my fiance and I are standing side by side in a queue. There's no room to go under, over, around or through.

Then what happens. I don't have to move over to accommodate your hubby "politely excusing" (aka shoving) his way through the line.

 

[Wadecool]

No, I meant what I said, he would have gone around. Not pushed, not shoved, not hit. When the other poster said she would have "stoped him" that sounded a lot like she would physicaly stop him and thats a big problem in my book.

I think I see where our communication breakdown has occurred, so let me try and explain it another way. Using myself as an example (don't want to speak for Stargazer), if I'm standing in the line and your DH wants to pass by, he will have to do that one of two ways, 1) either ask for and receive my permission, in which case I would move on my own, or 2) physically move me himself. Remember, I'm just standing there resting both arms on the railing (because I'm probably tired at this point ) so I won't have to touch your DH to stop him from passing, simply holding my position will suffice
and I don't have to get physical. I suppose there is a third option, if he wants climb over the railings like Spiderman or crawl underneath, then yes, he could get through. But to just pass by
without permission, sorry not going to happen.

Disclaimer: no one has been hypothetically injured or gone to hypothetical jail during the making of this hypothetical situation.

 

[CurlyJo224]

OMG!! I had no idea people really got thier britches in such a bunch over this. I mean, I see how several people pushing through a line to catch up to people in line could get annoying, but just 1 person catching up to thier party is just not such a big deal. Not to me any way and not to a lot of people. I saw many moms and dads doing this, I didnt even bat an eyelash. They caused such minimal impact to my wait that I could not imagine letting it ruin my attitude on my vacation. But then again thats just me I don't stand around passing judgment on what I think is "acceptable" and what is not according to me and my mindset. I will let the Disney and the CM's decide on that.

Okay. So you have one person "catching up" to the rest of the party. You and fourteen other people do that, and that's an additional fifteen people in line in front of the person who was standing in line like they're supposed to.

Stay together and get in line together, or ride seperately. The people "getting their britches in a bunch" are not the ones breaking rules.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Disclaimer: no one has been hypothetically injured or gone to hypothetical jail during the making of this hypothetical situation.

So, wait - I'm confused. Do we need to be stocking up on hypothetical cake ingredients and hypothetical metal files or not? Hypothetically, of course.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

No, it's to make sure guests who have received their food have a place to sit. Last week lines were quite long and those waiting in line might have waited 15-20 minutes just to order and get their food. Others who already had their food could sit, eat and pretty much be gone before the later ones would even need to have a table.

At the Tall Tales Saloon, they were specifically telling guests without food to wait to find a table until they had their food in their hands. Same with Cosmic Ray's.

We too ate at Pecos Bills last week (June 3rd) as well as on May 27th before Memorial day. They had no one there guiding people to seats or restricting them. We also ate at Cosmic rays on the Sunday before Memorial Day. Again, no one was policing the area making sure you had food before you took your seats. I guess it's quiet sporadic as to when they do this.

All of which is perfectly fine when there are plenty of available tables, it's not peak dining time during busy travel periods, there aren't Cast Members controlling the seating, or any combination of the above.

When you can't sit without food, your whole party doesn't have to wait in line with you. There's open space in all those restaurants where they can wait without being in the way. Guests who've experienced this procedure -again, only effected when necessary - say it works. So what's the objection?

We have never had an issue when finding open seating. However, if there were Cast Members there controlling it, we would abide. So I guess I'm not sure what the point is? If there are no cast members there, you don't have any objection to some members of the party taking a seat while another orders food. That is what we do. We only travel in summer (last 4 major trips) and have never had a CM restrict us from sitting down without our food.

 

[GinnyEmma]

15 pages...my call, I believe. If this doesn't send it over.

 

[kaytieeldr]

We have never had an issue when finding open seating. However, if there were Cast Members there controlling it, we would abide. So I guess I'm not sure what the point is? If there are no cast members there, you don't have any objection to some members of the party taking a seat while another orders food. That is what we do. We only travel in summer (last 4 major trips) and have never had a CM restrict us from sitting down without our food.

Right. If there are plenty of tables and the owner (WDW in this case) determines there's no need to control seating, go ahead and send your party to sit. Why not? You're not forcing a dad with a three year old and a tray of food to stand against the wall, balancing the tray, trying to feed the toddler and keep him from running around, and trying to grab a bite ir a sip himself once every few minutes.