Line Cutting

[Wadecool]

Until I started reading the DIS I had no idea how many people are incapable of going 45 mins without going to the bathroom. It really is a revelation!

Disney really should incorporate toilets into the queues I guess.

They could make them look like honey pots at Pooh, dynamite crates at BTMRR, R2D2 at Star Wars......

If people get upset over plain old line cutting, imagine the anger that could occur when someone cuts the line for the in queue pooper.

 

[vellamint]

If people get upset over plain old line cutting, imagine the anger that could occur when someone cuts the line for the in queue pooper.

HAHAHAHA..

Great line...no pun intended!!

 

[JUJU814]

And don't push your kid infront of me at a parade when I've had my spot for 45minutes or so beforehand and you decide to show up last minute. This happens almost every trip an adult stands back and shoves there kid up to the front as the parade starts.

my husband and I *always* give up our curb seat to allow little kids to see the parade and will stand behind them.

Even if we've been sitting there for over and hour waiting. If a family comes up and is standing behind us, and I know that little kid can't see..they get the curb. It's just the right thing to do in my opinion.

Who knows..maybe the family didn't plan to see the parade, maybe they weren't organized and didn't know about it..whatever.

In my opinion, if I'm sitting there, a little kid takes priority. It's Disney..and a parade! How exciting for them.

I decided this 5 years ago after seeing two of the single most excited little kids at a parade I've ever seen.

 

[Disney Commando]

This is my biggest pet peeve, if a parent and small child come by I can understand, but whats the deal with a group of teenagers or a couple adults with a child with me it doesn't fly.

IMO Move your feet lose your seat the line starts back there

If my son has to go to the bathroom, we all get off line, when he's done we go to the back of the line, I know it happens one minute they don't have to go next thing they are doing the potty dance.

I would love to be a line cutting enforcement person, would probably get alot of people mad (the line cutters) but overall it would probabaly please more people (everyone else) and after awhile people just wouldn't do it anymore if they know they can't get away with it

 

[mom2rtk]

Nope. Next time I'm not gonna let anyone "squeeze" in. We got our spots WELL in advance of the MVMCP parade (in spite of RECORD cold), and had a woman tap me on the shoulder to see if her 10 to 12 year old son could squeeze in while she stood back. I said sure. Then he proceeded to step all over my daughter and was practically on top of her leaning out to get his photos the ENTIRE time. My daughter could barely see at all. The CM continually had to tell him to get out of the street. He was THAT far out. I tried to be nice. Next time I won't.

 

[revdon64]

The problem I'm seeing with allowing anyone to pass/cut in line is that I don't know if they've truly had to take their kid to the bathroom or not. Certainly, some are obvious (the group of ten cheerleaders catching up to one friend for instance), and as much as I'd like to believe in the honesty and integrity of others, I know it's just not so. There are plenty of people that are more than willing to take advantage of the trusting nature of others. My golden rule is - If I wouldn't do it then I've got a problem with other people doing it. I agree with a pp, if my kid has to go to the bathroom then DW or I are taking them and not getting back in line with the rest of our group. We missed the fireworks at MK on our last trip after staking out a great spot and waiting 40 mins because DD5 had to go potty. If we split up for any reason (FP, potty breaks, water, park the stroller) then those who are further ahead waith for everyone else to get in line so that we're all together. It's common courtesy. And on a personal note, I'm about sick and tired of people who think that the rules don't apply to them. In fact if you're one of those people, the rules were written precisely for you and the rude and inconsiderate ways that you behave. You are not the center of the universe. The world does not revolve around you. Get over yourself.

(Gets down from soapbox and stows it away once again)

 

[CurlyJo224]

I would love to be a line cutting enforcement person, would probably get alot of people mad (the line cutters) but overall it would probabaly please more people (everyone else) and after awhile people just wouldn't do it anymore if they know they can't get away with it

That's what I think. If they start enforcing it, it will stop. People will see they can't get away with it, and most won't try. (There are always a few...)

 

[Deb & Bill]

Not accounting for rudeness and unacceptable behavior, we're advised to send one parent to be the FP runner and have the other parent get in line with the kids. Is it acceptable for the FP runner to catch up with his/her family? My very large husband would die if someone confronted him for "line-cutting." We may need to switch roles.

Not acceptable. Everyone should get into the line together. The FP runner can go ahead of everyone else to get the FPs, but everyone waits until the FP Runner gets there to get into line.

 

[DisneySarah80]

When the kids were younger, I would get on line with them and my DS would park the stroller and catch up to us is line. I think that is fair and OK.

I'm so tired of the "I had to put the stroller away" excuse. Heres a thought.... Everyone in the party to go park the stroller together - Whats so hard about that?? Its not like your the first person in creation that had to take a stroller to Disney World people!!! Personally, that is what we always did (go as a group to park the stroller, go as a group to get in line), and if you ask me, its the only right way to do it. Sorry, no matter what, if you hopping infront of someone in line (even if your only one person), you are line hopping - its pretty simple math. Now, will I get in a huff about one Dad catching up to his wife and child? Probably not. However, I still think your very wrong for thinking its OK to do, and not think to highly of you. JMO

Oh, and the "My child had to go to the bathroom" excuse... If that happens to us, its our problem. I don't make it others problems by leaving the line for 20 minutes, then cutting back in there infront of them because my DD just couldn't hold it. If we really still want to get on that ride, we will get back at the end. Does it suck to have to do that? Yeah, it does. But I'd rather do the right thing. Plus, how many people do you think used the "I'm not cutting, my kid just went to the bathroom" line in a day???

 

[kaytieeldr]

No you are not wrong. It isn't rude...it is just plain common sense.

Was there a table holding guide printed recently or is this just what you want it to be? And based on the end results that you described, exactly what would have been different if they had gotten a table while waiting for

Common Sense folks, common sense! It makes no sense at all for a family to stand there like cattle, wasting valuable time, watching someone order lunch. You have kids, they are tired and hungry, you need to get napkins, straws, other condiments. You go...find a table...get the kids settled and by that time your order is arriving, you sit have your meal and get out, leaving the space for others that came later. As long as practically everyone does this, and they do, then it takes the same amount of space and time. Actually less time because the group is multi-tasking.

But not almost everyone does it. Plenty of people don't - whether out of consideration/common sense or simple logistics (solo travelers, one adult with small children...). You just don't 'see' those diners, intentionally or not, because they don't conform to your point of view of how things "should" be done.

If you want to place blame for this problem...this would be the perfect opportunity to point our crooked little fingers directly at Disney. It's called over booking.

Nope. It's impossible to overbook any venue that doesn't accept reservations.

Basically promise more spaces then they can provide. It's a first come first serve basis for counter service.

Absolutely. The first person to come to the restaurant is the firs person served and the first person who should be able to get a table at that restaurant - not the party who showed up fifteen minutes later and grabbed that table before anyone got in line to order.

If they got to the table before you it was usually because they got there before you did.

Wrong. See my preceding statement.

So the phrase that all you FP lovers relish using when voicing your concern over the suckers in standby line...if you snooze you loose.

Perhaps, in their love of doing everything for the fewest people, Disney will design a FP system for lunch as well.

Your sarcasm is showing. As has been described, Walt Disney World does implement a system at peak travel times during peak dining times. Funny thing? It works. People with freshly cooked food are able to find seats immediately, and eat - instead of wandering around for five, ten, or more minutes looking at tables full of people with no food.

 

[jpmandan]

I saw alot of line cutting on our May/June trip. Waiting on the bus at MK back to POFQ my disabled InLaws were getting on and we turned around and a couple with kids got in front of us. We were the olny ones inline at the time. Even at parades people would send the kids up front.

 

[kaytieeldr]

As for those who say it isn't fair if they are traveling alone and don't have anyone to hold a space for them - well, there are a lot of advantages to touring alone: single rider lines, easier to squeeze into a spot for parades, fewer bathroom breaks, only one person to please. You get some advantages...you get some disadvantages.

Those 'things' are all options available to any guest at no additional charge. Expecting a solo traveler or a single mom with a three year old to pay for food and wander around a restaurant for ten minutes looking for a seat while that food gets cold, while a family who just entered grabs a table isn't jus a disadvantage - it's economically discriminatory.

 

[crostorfer]

As far as organization in queue systems at CS dining, this is where Universal Studios has Disney beat.

At the WWoHP, inside the 3 Broomsticks is the best and most orderly fast food system I have ever seen. They have ordering stations on both sides of the queue area to speed up service and you get in one line for each side, a Team Member directing traffic each way. You order, they direct you to the next area to pick up your food. After you recieve your food and walk to the seating area, a Team Member directs you to an open table. Its extremely efficient and they make sure that everyone gets a seat, no sending someone in to snag a table while other people order. It's brilliant and it keeps everyone happy. I call it "sit down counter service" LOL.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Even during busy times, we've never seen someone not be able to find a seat.
And, thanks, but if DH is getting the food, we are using the table. We are patrons of the restaurant. As someone mentioned earlier, we've already gotten condiments, straws, napkins, etc. The food will be there momentarily. I don't see a problem, and unless a CM says something, I'm not moving. If we have an extra seat, you're more than welcome to join us. There are no posted signs in regards to when you can and cannot sit down.

Well, technically you're not patrons until you've ordered and paid. 'Acquiring' extras like straws, napkins, and condiments doesn't make you a customer. Purchasing does.

As for CMs patrolling the seating area, another poster's comment makes a lot of sense. It seems as though they are trying to ensure (during certain times) that only restaurant patrons are sitting. The only way to ensure that is to make sure that you have food first. This isn't cracking down on table holders; it's cracking down on people using tables in the a/c when they aren't purchasing food.

The procedure doesn't have anything to do with guests usurping the a/c. When it's in effect (peak travel times + peak dining times), it's to allow guests who are ready to eat to find tables immediately. When the procedure isn't needed it's not used, and guests are free to revert to the same old way of doing things...even though waiting until you have your food to sit seems to work .

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Well, technically you're not patrons until you've ordered and paid. 'Acquiring' extras like straws, napkins, and condiments doesn't make you a customer. Purchasing does.

The procedure doesn't have anything to do with guests usurping the a/c. When it's in effect (peak travel times + peak dining times), it's to allow guests who are ready to eat to find tables immediately. When the procedure isn't needed it's not used, and guests are free to revert to the same old way of doing things...even though waiting until you have your food to sit seems to work .

I am sorry that you feel so passionately about this as this is probably something you won't be able to change. To me, there are many things in life I don't agree with, but I accept and move on. It's just not a battle I want to fight.

Our family won't change our dining habits at the CS at WDW. I apologize in advance to you if you find our kids sitting down waiting for me to bring the food. I consider us a patron of the restuarant once I step in that line to order food. We won't change our habits because of a handful of people on this board who think it's somehow incorrect to do so.

And they are all WDW restaurants. If I order something from a street vendor, but step inside a restaurant to eat/drink it, I am a patron of WDW dining. We've done this before where part of our party carries food from another location to where we've decided to eat as they didn't want to eat at that particular restaurant. This is especially true at Epcot WS, but we've done it at some of the other parks as well.

 

[LilRonGal]

Here are situations I dealt with last week where people would probably accuse ME of being the cutter. But here is my side.

There was a line of people going into the Great Movie Ride. We were behind a family who was having issues with one of those scooters, so they kept stopping, gathering around, and holding up all the people behind them. Over and over. At one point, after waiting 2-3 minutes with no movement, I started to go around them. One of the women yelled out loudly EXCUSE ME, WE WERE IN LINE.

I moved back, but then they stopped AGAIN and gathered around, once again holding up the line. Finally, one of the men in her party told us to go ahead.

My opinion is that if you're stopping constantly to deal with issues, read a map, discuss if little Bobby is actually tall enough to ride, or if Suzy will get scared, you need to step aside and let the other people go ahead until you get that stuff resolved.

*edited to clarify: We were not in the actual queue to the ride. We were outside, heading toward the queue.

Another example was in Animal Kingdom. I went to the bathroom. There were women standing to the side, but also a bunch of empty stalls. When I see empty stalls, I assume there is no line, so I went to go. I did ask someone if she was in line and she replied with "Um... sort of." HUH? How are you "sort of" in line? An older lady tapped me on the shoulder and said "We're in line." I truly did not understand what they were standing around for when there were clearly empty stalls! I looked around, noticed the other side had 3 or 4 empty stalls (because a lot of the restrooms there do have two sides), and went over there and did my business. In that case, I suppose I took advantage of their ignorance, but I had to go!

As far as getting out of a ride/attraction queue for the bathroom.... there were many times Aidan didn't do the dance until we were heading into the queue. We just left and came back when everyone was all relieved, taking our place at the end of the line. Didn't occur to us to ever try to reclaim our old spot.

 

[pensgirl10]

CS restaurants and tables -

avoid the whole mess by making ADRs. Better food, more relaxing, doesn't really take much more time when you add it all up.

Not everyone at Disney is on a vacation that was planned months or years in advance. I'm sure there are plenty of locals who come in for the day. And people like us....we found out with a couple of weeks' notice that my daughter couldn't get off work for a summer visit home from college. We went to her and Disney was nearby. A little late for reservations at that point.

 

[maxiesmom]

Our family won't change our dining habits at the CS at WDW. I apologize in advance to you if you find our kids sitting down waiting for me to bring the food. I consider us a patron of the restuarant once I step in that line to order food. We won't change our habits because of a handful of people on this board who think it's somehow incorrect to do so.

What you are missing is that sometimes Disney won't allow you to do the above. I have been at Pecos Bills when they wouldn't allow anyone to enter the seating area unless they had their food. If they decide you won't be able to send your kids to the table, you won't be able to. No discussion.

On days where Disney doesn't enforce the having food first rule, you are free to send your kids to the table and get your food after. Just try and be aware of your surroundings. If you notice that empty tables are few and far between, it would be nice of you to wait until you have your food before grabbing a table.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I am sorry that you feel so passionately about this as this is probably something you won't be able to change. To me, there are many things in life I don't agree with, but I accept and move on. It's just not a battle I want to fight.

Our family won't change our dining habits at the CS at WDW. I apologize in advance to you if you find our kids sitting down waiting for me to bring the food. I consider us a patron of the restuarant once I step in that line to order food. We won't change our habits because of a handful of people on this board who think it's somehow incorrect to do so.

And they are all WDW restaurants. If I order something from a street vendor, but step inside a restaurant to eat/drink it, I am a patron of WDW dining. We've done this before where part of our party carries food from another location to where we've decided to eat as they didn't want to eat at that particular restaurant. This is especially true at Epcot WS, but we've done it at some of the other parks as well.

If you dine at the Tall Tales Saloon (Pecos Bill's) or Cosmic Ray's, you won't be able to find a table until after you get your food. We were there this past week and that is exactly what they were doing to guests. You had to have food in order to sit.

 

[happytexasmom]

When the kids were younger, I would get on line with them and my DS would park the stroller and catch up to us is line. I think that is fair and OK.

same here, there were many occasions when my DH went and parked the stroller and then cought up with the other 8 of us. This was just a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm wondering how many people gave him the stink eye as he politely excused himself through the line.

He would never push or be rude though