line cutting

[Wadecool]

Good enough. One man's hyperbole... I found it hyperbolic and even after your clarification continue to see it that way. I believe the PP you refer to wasn't talking about the rights of the person to cut in line, but rather whether their breaking of the rules justifies physical intervention. Of course, there was hyperbole there as well given the whole definition of a hip check and all. That part was actually quite amusing. I have a great mental image of someone remaining in a crouched position in a long line waiting to spring into action against a line-cutter.

Anyway, yes, I have the right to look the other way and given the rarity of the occurrence and my lack of knowledge about that person's circumstances, I choose to do just that. But, I feel relieved knowing that I have you and Bullseye looking out for me. Hopefully in a crouched and ready position.

That's meant as a friendly joke by the way, lest the winking emoticon didn't
reflect that sufficiently.

One persons hyperbole indeed.... I believe you and I have executed that saying to perfection. As far as waiting in a crouching position, I'm sorry to say that those years are behind me. With me, standing up and standing still will more than suffice.

 

[Wadecool]

It is quiet amazing how some people care about not breaking any rules when stop cutter, when cutter is infact the one who breaks the rules. Someone pushed you, got physicall on you and you tell me I have to stay still or I am in trouble? Is this for real? If someone will push me, they should be worry because I will not be quiet, I will push them away from me, it is called defence, and I will throw a scene and call CM on someone because my stay at park suppose to be safe and I was attacked. And do not make up stories about people being thrown away from parks or property for defending themself, not only it is crazy, nobody actually followed CMs and people who got involved into situation to know for sure how it played out. As I said before,I do not block anyone and do not care much if someone cut as long as they do not decide to physically remove me from their way.

You go girl!

 

[may_baby06]

we had this happen to us on our trip last week. We were in line to see Ariel in Epcot and there was 1 family and 1 man in front of us. Just as the family was finishing up, 3 ladies with 3 strollers came and jumped in line in front of us. 1 kid ok but 3!!! I was ticked! Then the ladies told the dad to go and get in the line for Cinderella so they could jump in there when they were done with Ariel. My DD has special needs and has a hard time waiting a lot of times so we look for short character lines and that really made me mad to see them cutting a whole lot of people. and they just laughed it off and said "he's never going to come here with us again" so i guess they had been doing this all day.

 

[mesaboy2]

The certainty of knowing that DISers will flock to a line-cutting thread like ants to a picnic.

Just what I always wanted! Thank you, Praying Colonel!

 

[pktbMouse]

Funny...I don't remember saying that this was in any rule book. In fact, I even said it was MY OPINION, which I am allowed to express on a forum board even if it IS a Sunday. If you do not like the topic and do not want to discuss the issue at hand, you can open a new thread.

 

[MelissathePooh]

If you mean physically separate you by just standing in line and not moving then YOU are the one who has chosen to "physically" separate yourself from your child not me. AND if you put your hands on me to move me while I am just standing there then you are the one who will be getting the police called on. You are not allowed to touch someone else but you can stand all you want.

Groups should just stay together in the first place.

We weren't together because we were riding separate attractions. DD doesn't like Pooh so DR took her to Dumbo. DS and I went to Pooh. The CM was asking for a party of 2 and we were the only 2 who answered. As I tried to take DS and move ahead, politely saying excuse me, some guy got in my face sticking his arms out and then his hand in my face.

Had he been paying attention to what was ahead of him instead of worrying what was going on behind him there would have been no need for any of it. I tried to explain that the CM told us to move forward andhe wouldn't even let me speak - just barking "NO. Keep your party together". Finally the CM came to see what was taking so long and brought us forward.

Again - I don't agree with anyone cutting in line, I find it annoying as anyone else, but its Disney's job to handle it, not mine. That experience absolutely stressed me - the guy was angry and rude - trying to garner as much attention as possible. The only upside was having the CM walk us right past him at the end. I'm thankful my son didn't really understand what was going on as I cannot imagine how horrible it would have been if some jerk who thought he was preventing a "jump" scared him for no reason.

There is never a need or justified reason to initimade another person.

 

[Wadecool]

We weren't together because we were riding separate attractions. DD doesn't like Pooh so DR took her to Dumbo. DS and I went to Pooh. The CM was asking for a party of 2 and we were the only 2 who answered. As I tried to take DS and move ahead, politely saying excuse me, some guy got in my face sticking his arms out and then his hand in my face.

Had he been paying attention to what was ahead of him instead of worrying what was going on behind him there would have been no need for any of it. I tried to explain that the CM told us to move forward andhe wouldn't even let me speak - just barking "NO. Keep your party together". Finally the CM came to see what was taking so long and brought us forward.

Again - I don't agree with anyone cutting in line, I find it annoying as anyone else, but its
Disney's job to handle it, not mine. That experience absolutely stressed me - the guy was angry and rude - trying to garner as much attention as possible. The only upside was having the CM walk us right past him at the end. I'm thankful my son didn't really understand what was going
on as I cannot imagine how horrible it would have been if some jerk who thought he was preventing a "jump" scared him for no reason.

There is never a need or justified reason to initimade another person.

If someone blocks you path from jumping ahead of them in line, that could just as easily be called
standing up for what's right instead of intimidation. I'm also glad your child wasn't scared by that exchange. Since I wasn't personally involved in the scenario you describe, I'll take your word for it. But, there are two sides to every story.

 

[Praying Colonel]

Just what I always wanted! Thank you, Praying Colonel!

Well, my guess is you already had that, anyway--hence your "over" bet.

 

[KellyNY]

I'm thankful my son didn't really understand what was going on as I cannot imagine how horrible it would have been if some jerk who thought he was preventing a "jump" scared him for no reason.

There is never a need or justified reason to initimade another person.

I am sorry for what happened although I see it as misunderstanding. The man probably trully felt that you are cutting, he probably was in his thoughts when CM called you and did not pay attention. As for intimidating or scaring kids or whatever, lets cutter think about it when he decides to cut. Cutter creates situation, unpleasant for everyone, including himself and his kids, not the person who refuses to let someone walk over him.

 

[GinnyEmma]

Bull. One wrong doesn't justify another.

 

[MelissathePooh]

If someone blocks you path from jumping ahead of them in line, that could just as easily be called
standing up for what's right instead of intimidation. I'm also glad your child wasn't scared by that exchange. Since I wasn't personally involved in the scenario you describe, I'll take your word for it. But, there are two sides to every story.

I'm sorry, but what other side??? The guy wasn't paying attention. The CM told me to come ahead as he wanted a party of 2. There is a time and place and you can stand up for what is right without intimidating someone else. All that man had to do let me explain or point him to the CM behind him - turn around and see the CM motioning me ahead. The was NO excuse for him to put his hand up in my face period. There was no excuse for him to yell at my and my son, period.

There is no fine line between standing up for what is right and intimidating another person. You do not have to be ugly or rude or intimidating to make a point or stand up for something.

Get a CM if its that big of a deal. If the CM doesn't care, get a manager, if the manager doesn't care - well then I'm out of answers.

I've never had anyone push or shove to get past me. I have had that jerk shove his hand in my face and block me while barking at me for doing what the CM told me to do. I have on a few occasions had people ask to move ahead to catch up with their famliy. I have seen on a few occasions people slip under ropes when the rope line was longer and not want to go around to the entrance to get in the line - never once have I ever felt the need to blockade anyone. Frankly I'm glad - having to guard your position throughout a queue must be particularly frustrating.

 

[MelissathePooh]

I am sorry for what happened although I see it as misunderstanding. The man probably trully felt that you are cutting, he probably was in his thoughts when CM called you and did not pay attention. As for intimidating or scaring kids or whatever, lets cutter think about it when he decides to cut. Cutter creates situation, unpleasant for everyone, including himself and his kids, not the person who refuses to let someone walk over him.

I'm sorry - I don't care that the man misunderstood - that's not my problem that he wasn't paying attention. Frankly I've got to quit talking about this as it really was a disturbing incident and really bothersome to think so many people find it okay to intimidate other people - regardless of the reason. No a line cutters child doesn't deserve to be scared or threatened either just because the parents are jerks. There is never an excuse to intimidate another person.

 

[Hannathy]

If that guy at Pooh who tried to block them after the cm told them to come up had put his hand on Melissa or Holden, or for that matter anybody ever tries to physically separate me from my children or family, or some Barny Fife self-appointed line deputy "hip checks" into my wife or kids, they will end up in jail like Victoria Walker. If I hadn't been with my daughter on dumbo when that dude tried to physically intimidate her at pooh that cat's day would have been ruined.

This was the post I was referring to . I says if someone tries to separate me from my family, and that is what I am referring to. You should not be apart from your family. If you are apart from your family then yes I do have the right to not let you pass.

If the CM calls you then yes you can pass and that is what should have been told to the man. but your threats of violence were also including if someone tries to separate you like you were rejoining family further up and that is wrong.

 

[Hannathy]

If all he did was yell and hold his hands up who cares? People do that to each other all the time in the city. Just tell your child he was upset cause he thought we were cutting in front of him. No big deal and move on. Kids understand no cutting far better than adults. I don't get the big deal. And just having a kid with you doesn't give you carte blanche to cut. I will tell you no cutting and to have your party wait for you at the front.

In this case he hadn't seen or heard the CM I would have just told him to look at the CM or yelled to the CM I can't get past. As long as he didn't hit you no big deal.

 

[Wadecool]

I'm sorry, but what other side??? The guy wasn't paying attention. The CM told me to come ahead as he wanted a party of 2. There is a time and place and you can stand up for what is right without intimidating someone else. All that man had to do let me explain or point him to the CM behind him - turn around and see the CM motioning me ahead. The was NO excuse for him to put his hand up in my face period. There was no excuse for him to yell at my and my son, period.

There is no fine line between standing up for what is right and intimidating another person. You do not have to be ugly or rude or intimidating to make a point or stand up for something.

Get a CM if its that big of a deal. If the CM doesn't care, get a manager, if the manager doesn't care - well then I'm out of answers.

I've never had anyone push or shove to get past me. I have had that jerk shove his hand in my face and block me while barking at me for doing what
the CM told me to do. I have on a few occasions had people ask to move
ahead to catch up with their famliy. I have seen on a few occasions people
slip under ropes when the rope line was longer and not want to go around to
the entrance to get in the line - never once have I ever felt the need to
blockade anyone. Frankly I'm glad - having to guard your position throughout
a queue must be particularly frustrating.

Guarding my position isn't really that hard to do. I'll just stand there relaxing enjoying the company of my family. It just so happens that I'm pretty good at doing both at the same time.

Melissa, I have to apologize to you because after reading your post describing that scenario again, you guys clearly didn't do anything wrong at all.

 

[jimmysmom74]

I'm sorry - I don't care that the man misunderstood - that's not my problem that he wasn't paying attention. Frankly I've got to quit talking about this as it really was a disturbing incident and really bothersome to think so many people find it okay to intimidate other people - regardless of the reason. No a line cutters child doesn't deserve to be scared or threatened either just because the parents are jerks. There is never an excuse to intimidate another person.

Melissa, totally agree! I grew with disney as a child, young adult, and now a parent and I just don't understand why so many people want to get in physical or verbal arguments over something I think is petty.
If it is a serious issue address it with a CM. Why do I want to have my child to see me getting in to it with a person I don't know?
If anything it is a teaching moment when I can explain to my son that line cutting is wrong, and you shouldn't do it.
I always thought of WDW as the happiest place on earth, and I don't let these small incidents change my way of thinking.

 

[MelissathePooh]

Guarding my position isn't really that hard to do. I'll just stand there relaxing enjoying the company of my family. It just so happens that I'm pretty good at doing both at the same time.

Melissa, I have to apologize to you because after reading your post describing that scenario again, you guys clearly didn't do anything wrong at all.

Thank you. My only hope/point is that as annoying as these things are and they are - it doesn't need to involve intimidation or physicality.

 

[Disneyhayes]

I remember a time when I was having a female issue while waiting in a long line for a ride at a local coaster park. I began to exit the line and asked the person working at the entrance if it was okay that I took care of business then returned to line. The worker said the he was okay with it, BUT if anyone complained then I would have to go to the end of the line and I was okay with that.
I think that OP should have parked the stroller prior to getting in line...it is still a line whether in turnstiles or not.

I think that if a line is 1+ hour wait then it is okay to let a single person or person+child to get with their group..I say this because of diaper changes, frequent urinations for people with problems, etc.

If I see a group of people trying to cut then I would not be okay with it. We're not girls in high school and don't need to all "go potty" together

Whether we allow cutting or not is all of our OWN opinions. Those are just the scenarios as to when I would or would not allow "cutting"

 

[d-r]

This was the post I was referring to . I says if someone tries to separate me from my family, and that is what I am referring to. You should not be apart from your family. If you are apart from your family then yes I do have the right to not let you pass.

If the CM calls you then yes you can pass and that is what should have been told to the man. but your threats of violence were also including if someone tries to separate you like you were rejoining family further up and that is wrong.

That was me, and that was my wife I was talking about.

Look. It is a THEME park. A place for children and families to have fun. Sometimes things happen. Sometimes a kid skips under a rail, or whatever. You know what, it isn't a big deal. You are waiting in line for a children's ride. Get it? It is a playground. It is a park. It isn't life or death guard your personal space for an amusement park ride.

But what is serious is someone physically threatening my family, in any context. I'll take that seriously. You mentioned "a threat of violence" as if I made one, but I didn't. I said the guys day would be ruined, and I mentioned the lady that spent 90 days in jail after assaulting someone she "thought" was passing her at the tea cup cue (you know how the cue fills all space). Look. If for some reason you ever find yourself between me and one of my children and you think you aren't going to let me pass then yes, your day will be ruined. You have absolutely NO right to prevent me from getting to my child - a pitiful egocentric concern about a space in a line at a theme park aside - you will find out what a jail cell looks like. Does that really make common sense and common decency to you to think you have some "right" to physically separate a parent separated from their child??

No you don't. No you absolutely do NOT have some "right" to prevent someone from passing you You are not law enforcement. You have no ESP. You do not have any idea what the situation might be. You may think you have some special entitlement to quickly judge people and physically threaten them, but you don't. You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to say "you should not be apart from your family." You would have no idea what the situation was. Who do you think you are?? You aren't the boss of disney world, that's who you are not. And if anyone physically threatens my wife or children at disney world or anywhere else they will be arrested.

"As long as he didn't hit you no big deal" - look, you physically block my wife and child, and you'll be thinking of what a big deal it is that afternoon in the orlando jail, pal. I don't care what you do in "the city" you won't be physically threatening my family. Not going to happen.

 

[KellyNY]

Thank you. My only hope/point is that as annoying as these things are and they are - it doesn't need to involve intimidation or physicality.

But he did not get physical with you. Yes, there is no reason to get physical unless you were pushed first. However, telling you "no" and not willing to listen to any excuses is not intimidating at all. Everyone has a right not to let you infront of them and not to listen/take in consideration any stories/excuses. And no, they do not have to call CM to stop you, you have to ask CM assistance if you need to go back in line. Having kids does not give a green light to expect a special treatment, if someone is a jerk, people will let him know, regardless of 10 kids he is traveling with.