Line cutting

[Tiffer]

Yes, but 50 people like yourself, each let one person in line durring my day, I lose about 30 minutes, over a 12 hour period.

Over a weeks stay... that's 3.5 hours that your line-of-logic has robbed from good people (who were trying to follow the rules), and paid to all the people that don't have their act together .

Very mathematical of you...can ANYONE tell me when this has ever ACTUALLY happened? Anyone ever dealt with 50 people cutting or getting back into line in their original spot??

IF they were in line to begin with, or a member of their party was and people normally get seated with their party anyway .....how does it effect the time of your que anyway? IT DOESN'T! Re-work that pencil.

P.S. Tahnsk to Aurorasleeping and Katmes and all other that are being rational!

 

[splashmtnman]

My family and I DW, DD7,DS5 are always understanding of emergencies that may come up. If someone is in line and their young child needs to go to the restroom what is the big deal of letting them back in line after they return. You are not being pushed further back in line just to where you originally were. Remember where you are, it is very easy w/all the excitement going on for a child to all of a sudden need to go potty. I would never expect someone to get back out of line. As for the fast pass thing, not that big a deal as long as they are not at the front of the line. If I'm in line and one of the kiddos needs to go I try to not move to far pass the first turn in the line so they can just slip back under when they return. Just be curtious, and don't take advantage of our kindness. Also keep in mind some people may have problems when it comes to the BM's(yuck) I would not mind if an adult had to go either, let them back w/their family when they return. Like I said you are nbo further back just where you originally were.

 

[MermaidMommy]

HOWEVER...what if baby 1 needs a sudden diaper change? And we are 20 minutes into a 40 minute wait? I mean seriously, no one around us would want to stand there for 20 more minutes, her little hiny wouldn't want to stand there for 20 more minutes...what if I took the baby out to change her and rejoined my family?

I think the thing to remember, as always, is to exercise common sense and common courtesy. We've taken DD at 4 and 5 years old, both ages prone to the unexpected potty emergency (4 years more so than 5), and we never had a problem, but we did try to pay attention to our surroundings. For example, it was less of a problem to catch up with DH on a ride like Dumbo, where it really wouldn't inconvenience anyone. Once, we had to make an emergency run on Peter Pan, and by the time we were coming back DH would have been already up towards the front where we would have had to push through 80% of the line. Instead, DH waited in a bend of the line that was accessible to us and let people go through until we caught up. And, whenever we did have to pass through (and it was only 2-3 times total), we smiled and said our "excuse me's" and "thank you's," and found everyone to be understanding and friendly. If you're generally a polite person -- and I don't think you'd be worried about it if you weren't -- use your best judgement and you'll be fine.

 

[faindrops27]

Ok, i read your post, and maybe 2 other post. That agree with you 100% I am going to go against the grain, and say. I disagree. I see nothing wrong with this. Say a family of four wants to go on rock and rollercoaster. Well, say 2 line up, and the other 2 come along and say to me I am sorry I am with my dad. I dont see anything wrong with this. My mother cannot stand for long. But, is terribly embarressed to admit her disabilities, so she hides it. When i line up for a ride. I may give her a buzz on the phone to tell her to start coming to get in line with me. I dont see this as cutting at all. Would I have a problem with people who dont have disabilities, and thier family was in front of me, and they wanted to join them. No, I dont, and I dont see it as rude, as they were waiting on the line. It to me is not really considered cutting, unless noone in thier party was ever on the line. And the said party jumped in front of you. Now thats cutting. It is no big deal, I mean come on.

 

[faindrops27]

double post

 

[aurorasleeping]

Katems-
Thank you for explaing that idea clearly and coherently. (at least more so than my rambling attempt at it. lol)

I have to agree with many of the other posters. As long as you are polite and don't try to take advantage of anyone (i.e. one person waits in line then the rest of the cheerleading squad trys to join them at the last minute), it really shouldn't be an issue. Unfortunatly it seems like every time I go to a park (Disney or other wise) I witness more and more rude, self-centered behavior [usually self-centered/rude people are the only thing than can really upset me]

 

[EAP'sDAD]

My rule of thumb on this is if the person doing the "cutting" is going to simply fill an unused spot on the ride I don't have a problem with it. But what drives me crazy is when 4 or 5 people ask if they can go to the front of the line to catch up with friends or family. My DW becomes very embarrassed when I tell people no when they ask to cut. The other thing that really gets me mad is when a parent with a couple of kids do it. I remember when i got on line and there was a family of 5 about 3 groups in front of me. the mother got out of the line with the kids and said they were going to do Cinderellas carousel. Well just as we get the front of Dumbo her comes this pushy lady with the 3 kids asking people to let her by. She wasn't even nice about. well she got to me and I said no very nicely and said I didn't feel it was right to be cutting and her husband come back to us and waited right behind us. what kind of example are you setting for your kids when you do things like that.

 

[delilah]

Well, we are all are on vacation at Disneyworld and we are riding the rides for fun. It seems to me that people who get bent out of shape because one person is holding a place for a family of three total are as guilty of rudeness, impatience and general inconsideration as the two who are trying to rejoin mom in line because dad and son went to go to the restroom. In my experience, the three of us, using my family as an example, in most instances, can ride together in one vehicle. In my experience, when I go on Splash Mountain alone, because son and husband don't ride, I am seated alone in a row than can seat another person. We wouldn't be causing anybody to wait even a second longer for the ride. Same thing goes for buying meals at counter service. Which ever of us is waiting in line is going to order for all three of us. If one of us waits, we are sparing the others in line the experience of my impatient son .

 

[jima53]

I don't like the line cutters either. But some people have no problem with any regard to those that have waited their turn. Probably how they look at a lot of things in their life. Might not be something so important for them to worry about. To me it's just the way a lot of people in public treat others. Watch people while you are out in public and you will see what I mean.


Jim

 

[flortlebap]

To me it depends on the circumstances. For instance, a family get in line, one goes for drinks/snacks and comes back in. I wouldn't bat an eyelid, probably wouldn't even notice.

Or 2 people get in line, then let another 2 people in. That I would notice, but again, it wouldn't bother me.

But 1 person getting in line, and letting any more than 2 in, that's just daft. Particularly if they let about 20 people cut in front and the CM's don't do anything. They should be chucked out of the park for that!!!

JMO...

 

[ilovepooh]

To me it depends on the circumstances. For instance, a family get in line, one goes for drinks/snacks and comes back in. I wouldn't bat an eyelid, probably wouldn't even notice.

Or 2 people get in line, then let another 2 people in. That I would notice, but again, it wouldn't bother me.

But 1 person getting in line, and letting any more than 2 in, that's just daft. Particularly if they let about 20 people cut in front and the CM's don't do anything. They should be chucked out of the park for that!!!

JMO...

I agree completely!! Also, we need to keep in mind that over 4 million copies of the Unofficial Guide to WDW says that the Hail-Mary-Pass is acceptable. Again, we're talking one parent with a *SMALL* child here-NOT a whole family. I've never had a problem with this. For those that do, there are many who read the guide and think it seems like an ideal solution for a family with SMALL children. As I posted earlier, I do have a problem with a group of people joining someone and cutting in front of me.

 

[BamaFan121s]

Maybe we should all just turn and say "Would you like me to let your party come BACK to you? That way you can wait in line together." I'm thinking that might get me a few dirty looks

I've actually done that before...group of kids on a field trip want to come past me and get up front with Tom and wait. Funny, ya never notice Tom volunteering to come back and wait, do you?
I've been tapped on the shoulder and told that "we need to get up there with them" or "we're with him" to which I loudly say, "I would be happy to let them come BACK here and wait with you..." They don't like it, but most of the time, they'll either give in, or drop it all together to keep from causing a scene or being embarrassed.

 

[motofox4]

i live in NJ, about 45 minutes from a Six Flags, and the rules there clearly state that no line cutting is permitted and if anyone does they will be ejected from the park. i always wondered if they followed thru on their rule and once found out - we were in a long line for a roller coaster and this group of people decided they were going to "cut" in line (about 14 - 15 of them) to stand with 2 of their "friends" who were already in line. Well one of the people i was with went to find someone who worked in the park and told them what happened and each and every one of them were escorted out of the park and not permitted to come back in. i was VERY happy to see this happen - maybe next time they'll think before they think they're going to cut in line ahead of everyone else who has been waiting for over an hour already!

 

[intrep93]

I do this as well. If they want to ride together, that's great. But they aren't cutting past my kids to do it! I always use the "school rules". Use the lunch line as an example. Once you are in line, that spot is yours. If you leave the line to do something necessary (bathroom or drink - desperate need to sit for a moment) then you are allowed to re-join the line when it is closer to the food. If you leave for something that is not necessary (play a quick game of hopscotch, talk to a friend farther back in line) then you have given up your spot and must go to the end of the line. If you want to be with a friend, that friend will have to come back to you, not the other way around. Honestly, isn't this something we all learn about in preschool??? I don't let line cutters past just because they want to ride with someone farther up. Let their friends come back to them. Is it a huge deal in the grand scheme of things if my family has to wait for the next train - NO. Is it a huge deal to show my children that cheating will get you to the head of the line faster and it's ok to let people take advantage of you - YES. I'll risk getting the dirty look, thank you very much!!

 

[Kay1]

Something else to consider before you judge others is the fact that a family can plan adequately to wait in a fairly long line but become stymied by a broken attraction. A thirty minute wait can double when an attraction's down.

 

[Fitswimmer]

each and every one of them were escorted out of the park and not permitted to come back in.

I saw this happen back in the early days, when MK was the World. We were in line for Space Mtn and some teenage boys cut in line. (I don't remember the exact number, but it was more than 2 and less than 10) A CM was there in a heartbeat, followed quickly by security. We overheard security explaining that line cutting was prohibited and that their privilege to attend the park that day was now revoked. Quite obviously, there was significant arguing and posturing but the security officer patiently did his job and escorted them out. I think if security did this even once in a while, word would get out and the really obnoxious line cutting would stop.

Maybe that's why I choose not to cut lines now. If one member of my party needs to get out, we all get out and get back in at the end.

 

[Christopher Robin]

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[kaytieeldr]

Honestly, I don't know how to answer your question.. I would hope Disney would be understanding and give guest assistance cards to anyone who had a condition that made it impossible for them to wait in line. Maybe they don't?

I can wait in line, most of the time. I do try to use the bathroom before I get in a line. I use FastPass as much as possible. But, for example, I was finally at the front of the line at Soarin' last year (would have been in the next group to go to the preshow lanes) and HAD to leave. Now, I use an ECV so I can get around pretty fast, and I was able to explain to the greeter in a few seconds (slowing down, not stopping) that I had to 'go', and she gave me another FastPass - so I was able to get back in line, at the END of the FastPass line, which is only fair.

We are a family of 6...Me, DH, DD11, Twins 7, and baby, 1. As far as I'm concerned, if the twins can't tell me they have to go before they get on the ride, they can either hold it or miss the ride while everyone else in our family rides.
HOWEVER...what if baby 1 needs a sudden diaper change? And we are 20 minutes into a 40 minute wait?

What? You mean you wouldn't just plop the baby down on the floor, change the diaper and continue on your way? How... how... how... CIVILIZED of you!

Well, we are all are on vacation at Disneyworld and we are riding the rides for fun. It seems to me that people who get bent out of shape because one person is holding a place for a family of three

I disagree (and yes, I know you went on to say more besides what I quoted). Figure it this way - while the scenario is unlikely, let's say, oh, Dumbo has an hourly capacity of 648 - now, I know that number's wrong but I don't have my UG handy - at 54 elephants and each ride cycle taking 5 minutes to load, run, stop, unload. There are 100 people ahead of me in line, so I should be able to ride the second cycle. After the first run loads, all of a sudden three people join each of the 46 individuals in front of me. Now the line's back up to 184, and my wait has about tripled. Is that reasonable? Again, I know my figures are wrong, I'm just doing an example. Or, Space Mountain. Each ride vehicle holds three people and takes 30 seconds to unload, load and depart. With 333 people ahead of me in line, I should be able to board and ride in just over 55 minutes. Now all of a sudden, two people join each person ahead of me - now my wait has tripled to almost three hours.

 

[Devil_Dog99]

Of course 'go on ahead and get in line I'll catch up after I get the FP' can backfire. To wit:

DW and I were in Tomorrowland and wanted to ride Buzz. FP window was only 45 min away so we decided to get FP for BL and then go ride CoP while we waited for the wndow to open. I told DW to go along to CoP and I'll get teh FP and then join her. I get FP, jog over to CoP and no DW. Nowhere. What Happened?? Did she get lost?? did she decide to go powder her nose?? She couldn't have gotten on, could she??

Turns out DW thought I would be RIGHT behind her so she went into the theater and grabbed a seat. Next thing she knows the doors close and the show starts!!! oops!!

I don't think there are any hard fast rules about line cutting and what is and isnt allowable outside of blatant (1 holds for 15) abuse. Most people in line should chill out - it ain't worth it. Those that do cut should try to plan a little more, if at all possible. Stuff happens yes, but let's all be a little considerate of each other. It's WDW fer crying out loud.

 

[Christopher Robin]

I will be considerate to line cutters by not embarassing them in front of others, if they will be considerate to me by not trying to cut in the first place.

Problem solved, and fair, too.

It isnt the person who has a problem with line cutters that is the inconsiderate one, it is the line cutter.

For every action, there is (or should be) an equal and opposite reaction.

Or...

The law of unintended consequences might also aptly apply.