Line cutting and fast pass problems...

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I'm starting to think they (WDW)just like just jamming us in there, no rules, or if there are rules making them unclear, and if they are clear refusing to enforce them. And then they sit at the security camera monitors laughing their butts over our skirmishes.
 
Scott... I'm handing you a fireproof suit after that one, maybe some armor too.. you're gonna need it lol
 
Again, of the theme parks I have been to in my life (WDW among them) I have never seen such a rule posted. Perhaps it is a regional thing, because temporarily leaving a line to take a child to potty is just accepted around here. I chatted with a few people about this since it's come up and asked, "If you've been in line with your family at an amusement park for quite a while, and then one of your kids needs to go potty, would you say it's line cutting to take the kid to the bathroom and then rejoin your family?" They looked at me like I had 3 green alien heads for even asking such a ludicrous question. (And those 3 green heads were NOT lime green Mickey heads.:lmao: ) When I pinned them down for an actual answer, it was a variation of, "Of course not." Then when they asked me why I was asking about something like that and I explained about this thread, every one of them was skeptical that the group would be so split in this issue...It didn't seem credible to them that an adult would begrudge a child a potty trip and refuse to let them back in line with their family. (Which is exactly what I thought the reaction would be.)

Now I am left pondering a few issues:

1. If everyone who thinks they or their child MIGHT....just MIGHT have occasion to even once need to get out of line to go potty takes that step recommended by so many of you and gets a GAC.....Well, let's just say WDW will be very busy handing out tons of GACs to people who might have to use them once or twice during their vacation in order to rejoin their family and avoid a nasty altercation. The Line Monitors should be happy that their perceived set of rules have been followed, but I suspect they will still complain.....Now, they'll just complain about people being given GACs to rejoin their families. And WDW will be thrilled to have to spend so much time handing out GACs to anyone who has a familly member with issues that may only occasionally flare up, but are getting the GAC on the off chance they might need to avoid a confrontation. Hmmmm.....Maybe I will get one....Just in case I need it once during that 10 days. Sure beats arguing with someone in line.

2. If we broke this down by percentages, would the posters on this thread represent reality? :teacher: Do that many people really get so disturbed by a kid taking a few minutes to go to the potty and then going back to the place he was in before, thereby leaving the "waiter" in exactly the same position they were had the child never left? Or are the Line Monitors who think an emergency potty trip should dump you to the back of the line merely a very vocal minority? Well, no way to really answer this question, is there? Even a poll wouldn't represent the real world. So we're all left wondering which group thinks more like the average American.



The “line jumping” definition that I previously posted is used by Canada’s Wonderland located in Vaughan, Ontario. It is only one of many Cedar Fair parks located throughout North America. All the other parks (such as King’s Dominion, Knott’s Berry Farm, Carowinds, Dorney Park etc.) have similar rules and regulations. Here are the line breaking rules from King’s Dominion:

Line Breaking: To ensure that all guests have a fair opportunity to enjoy rides as quickly as possible, line jumping is not allowed. Line jumping, regardless of the reason, may lead to ejection from the park with no refund given. Kings Dominion defines line jumping as: 1. Cutting in front of other guests who are already in line; 2. Saving a place for someone; or 3. Leaving a line, then attempting to re-enter at the same point. Since this includes using the restroom or purchasing food or drink, we suggest you make all stops before you enter the line.

As you can see, there are no exceptions made for potty breaks or other such pretexts. The fact of the matter is that it is just plain rude and presumptuous for any guest to leave a line and attempt to return to the same spot or to save a place for someone in a line. The Disney parks offer the Guest Assistance Card (GAC) for people that require special accommodations.

If you have a recently potty trained child that might exhibit bladder control problems in a line at WDW, go to Guest Relations and get a GAC. Explain your special need to them. However, if you have not secured a GAC and take it upon yourself to exit the line with your potty dancing child, you have surrendered your spot in the line.

Also, designated FP runners get no special consideration. Again, this is just an example of rude behavior.
 
EMom, I don't know where you're from, but I have also conducted an informal poll or sorts of family, friends and coworkers, as a result of this thread. People I asked were incredulous that anyone would attempt to reenter the line after having left it for a potty break. The general consensus was that anyone attempting to do so would be most certainly be cutting in line. Two different people asked if I was asking because I had witnessed this behavior at WDW, because they have seen this same rudeness repeated often there.

The thing I find most interesting is that many of the people in my informal poll are, like myself, parents to older children. Our conversations generally went off topic to discuss the fact that not only did we never do this when our children were young, but we never witnessed other parents doing it then either. This appears to be a relatively new parenting trend of teaching your children that they are more special than other children and rules don't apply to them. :sad2:

What I have concluded from reading this thread is that some of us will continue to exercise good manners and treat our fellow Disney travelers with respect and others will continue to place their own desires before the rights of other people. Until Disney takes a stand on line cutters, this debate will continue and unfortunately, incidents like the one at the Teacups will become more and more prevalent.

By the way, I'm from the South and I will continue to allow others to break line in front of me if they happen to have a small child with them. I will also continue to be dismayed at their poor parenting choices as they continue to teach their children that they are above the rules.

Edited to add: I have never agreed that parents of small children should get a GAC so that their children can take potty breaks unless there is a medical reason that your child can't learn to go before entering a line, as most other children do.
 

You can call it rude all you want, but I think it's rude to not allow a child back in line after a potty break when his family has already waited in line a long time and going to the back of the line would achieve nothing but to make the child feel guilty and a few adults feel superior in their parenting skills and bladder control.

I have a picture of a family with 3 kids, all going potty before getting on a popular ride that has no Fastpass. Forty-five minutes into the ride, one of the kids has to potty....and yes, it happens. They all go to the back of the line. By the time the kid returns and they get back in line, it's 55 minutes spent. Kids 2 & 3 didn't need to go again because they're older. The ride is still popular and another 45 minutes into it, child #2 has to potty because now it's been an 1 hr. 40 min. since she pottied. They all go to the back of the line. She returns in 10 minutes, they go through another 45 and it's now 2 hrs. 35 min. Poor mom, who has had 3 kids and whose bladder is not what it was at 20, now has to potty. So it begins again. This could go on for hours, because no one wees on command. If they had just been able to let the first kid dash out for a quick wee, the family would have been out of the ride in an hour or so, instead of possibly wasting 3-4 hours trying to get through the ride. That's just ridiculous.

BTW, if you would do some research on that teacup incident, you'd find that just about the only person claiming the victim "cut" is the assailant herself. Several eyewitnesses, who didn't even know the victim, had been concerned about the assailant for awhile, ever since they were moved into some sort of holding/loading area. From the many accounts I have read, these people went where the CM directed them (including the assailant, victim and the 4 children with her) and it was then that the assailant perceived she had been "cutted/line-cut," and began to curse and shove others, including small children. The people...not just the victim... in that area asked a CM to remove the assailant, citing her cursing and shoving, but they just got assurances that "everyone would get to ride." THAT was not the problem. This woman was a rage machine. She has a history of assault. She's also enormous and the victim is rather small and was attacked from behind. The victim had loaded/was loading the 4 children she was with into the teacup when she was attacked. It took 5-6 people to pull the assailant off the victim. She's now facing charges. All that over a freaking teacup ride that she would have been on in a few minutes. Now that eyewitnesses are coming out with statements, there is much more to this story than first hit the papers.

Even though there is much disagreement on this board about what is/is not line cutting, there IS one thing I think many of us do agree on. This situation could be made much better if WDW would just come up with a policy and ENFORCE it. If it's a rule, I may not like the rule or agree with it, but I would follow it. For those who would not follow it, enforcing the rules would remedy that. What you fail to grasp, is that your "rule" is NOT a rule at all....at least not at WDW. It's your rule and it's the rule at some other parks. But it is definitely NOT a universal rule. I've never seen that rule posted at any park. So I am certainly NOT teaching my child that she is above the rules. If it's not a rule, how can you be above it? How could I possibly have taught her that she is above a rule I've never even heard of or seen before? That makes no sense at all.

As for my parenting skills, you are clueless about them. My child is extremely well-mannered and teachers and other adults have complimented her regarding her manners since she was a toddler. Teachers I only know from sight at her school (because they don't teach her....just see her in the lunchroom or the hall) have stopped to ask me if she's my daughter, and then told me what a polite and pleasant child she is. She didn't just wake up that way one day. It took guidance and effort on our part. I do think she's pretty special, but every parent thinks that of their child....I would hope. We teach her that the rules are to be followed, even when they are not fun or easy. So you can be sad:sad1: all you want, but you're misdirecting your energy. Be dismayed at what you consider poor parenting choices, while I am raising an amazing child who is respected by her teachers, coaches, and fellow church members. You know NOTHING of my child, (or the other children whose parents believe it's acceptable to return to the line after a potty break) yet you feel free to insult her by subtly implying she is a spoiled brat whose mother doesn't know how to parent.

Where I come from, THAT is rude, insulting, ill-mannered and completely uncalled for. So where am I from? I'm from a place where we know better than to do such a thing.



EMom, I don't know where you're from, but I have also conducted an informal poll or sorts of family, friends and coworkers, as a result of this thread. People I asked were incredulous that anyone would attempt to reenter the line after having left it for a potty break. The general consensus was that anyone attempting to do so would be most certainly be cutting in line. Two different people asked if I was asking because I had witnessed this behavior at WDW, because they have seen this same rudeness repeated often there.

The thing I find most interesting is that many of the people in my informal poll are, like myself, parents to older children. Our conversations generally went off topic to discuss the fact that not only did we never do this when our children were young, but we never witnessed other parents doing it then either. This appears to be a relatively new parenting trend of teaching your children that they are more special than other children and rules don't apply to them. :sad2:

What I have concluded from reading this thread is that some of us will continue to exercise good manners and treat our fellow Disney travelers with respect and others will continue to place their own desires before the rights of other people. Until Disney takes a stand on line cutters, this debate will continue and unfortunately, incidents like the one at the Teacups will become more and more prevalent.

By the way, I'm from the South and I will continue to allow others to break line in front of me if they happen to have a small child with them. I will also continue to be dismayed at their poor parenting choices as they continue to teach their children that they are above the rules.

Edited to add: I have never agreed that parents of small children should get a GAC so that their children can take potty breaks unless there is a medical reason that your child can't learn to go before entering a line, as most other children do.
 
EMom, if you have read my post, you have seen that I have said numerous times that I will allow a parent with a small child to cut in line ahead of me in order to rejoin their family or group. I will continue to do that in spite of how rude it is. When I am there with my 3 small grandchildren next spring, I still will not be line cutting, because it will still be rude. I'm not sure how much plainer I can be on that point.

I find it impossible to comment on the idea of your "family with 3 kids" since there are just too many suppositions in that scenario to make it plausible. Do you seriously think that has ever happened?

BTW, I have probably read just as much or more on the Teacup incident as you have. Personally, I do not believe that the victim in this case was cutting in line. However, let me be clear, that is my personal opinion. I don't know the exact facts of the incident, nor do you. The court system will have to sort that out. However, it is not in dispute that the incident was incited by patrons who were angry over long line wait times and frequent line cutters witnessed by many different guests.

Not only did I not intend to suggest that there is a "rule" at WDW, I have mentioned more than once in my other posts on this thread that I wish WDW would implement a rule for just this situation. I was referring to rules in general and meant more specifically the rules of common courtsey. Of course, not everyone is familiar with those.

As always, both on this board and in life, I am advocate that all children should be entitled to being the most wonderful person in the world to at least one person, hopefully more. Nowhere did I mention your child, or anyone else's specifically. I will continue to think that those parents who choose to teach their children that the rules (of common courtsey) do not apply to them are setting a poor example for their children. I sincerely hope that no else will ever have to be injured at WDW as a result of the atmosphere created by people who believe that it is okay to place their desires above those of others.

I have responded to your personal attack without being rude to you personally. I hope that you will try to do the same. Let's try to keep our comments in general terms of those who believe leaving for potty breaks and then rejoining their party is rude and those who don't believe it is rude.
 
Please...I am not obtuse. You illustrate my point when you say you will allow a child to "cut" in line after a potty break in spite of how "rude" it is.

You pride yourself on exercising good manners and treating others with respect, yet when someone disagrees with your viewpoint, you make it personal. It has been pointed out that there is no applicable rule at WDW and that many of us were taught the exact opposite of your opinion. We were taught that letting a child rejoin his family after a potty break is not line cutting and indeed, is the polite thing to do. Instead of just accepting that there are valid differing opinions on this and truly agreeing to disagree, you insult those who take the opposing view.

You say we are rude, place our own desires above the rights of other people, make poor parenting choices and teach our children that they are special and that the rules don't apply to them. You've said much more, but that's the gist of it. I didn't have to read anything into those comments. Your intent was quite plain.

So even though NO SUCH RULE EXISTS EXCEPT IN YOUR OPINION, and even though many of us were taught that the dead opposite was the way to show common courtesy, you essentially label us poor parents and imply our children are not being taught proper manners simply because we disagree with you regarding this potty break issue.

WOW! From that one tidbit of information, you feel qualified to judge us all as parents.... Such good manners and soooo respectful.

I don't think so. You accuse me of making a personal attack, but I think that's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. All I did was call you on the insults, both implied and clearly stated, that you directed toward me and the others who committed the offense of disagreeing with you. No one casts aspersions on my parenting without challenge, especially when they base the insults on something as trivial as you have.

I can agree that it would be better if WDW posted rules and enforced them. I can agree that there are very differing opinions regarding what constitutes line cutting. I cannot and will not tolerate being called rude or a poor parent simply because I do not agree with someone on this issue. I can disagree with someone without resorting to calling them names or saying negative things about their parenting. That's showing respect and good manners, IMHO. But I will not stand by while someone does those things to me. I find it hard to believe you do not see the irony in your own words.

EMom, if you have read my post, you have seen that I have said numerous times that I will allow a parent with a small child to cut in line ahead of me in order to rejoin their family or group. I will continue to do that in spite of how rude it is. When I am there with my 3 small grandchildren next spring, I still will not be line cutting, because it will still be rude. I'm not sure how much plainer I can be on that point.

I find it impossible to comment on the idea of your "family with 3 kids" since there are just too many suppositions in that scenario to make it plausible. Do you seriously think that has ever happened?

BTW, I have probably read just as much or more on the Teacup incident as you have. Personally, I do not believe that the victim in this case was cutting in line. However, let me be clear, that is my personal opinion. I don't know the exact facts of the incident, nor do you. The court system will have to sort that out. However, it is not in dispute that the incident was incited by patrons who were angry over long line wait times and frequent line cutters witnessed by many different guests.

Not only did I not intend to suggest that there is a "rule" at WDW, I have mentioned more than once in my other posts on this thread that I wish WDW would implement a rule for just this situation. I was referring to rules in general and meant more specifically the rules of common courtsey. Of course, not everyone is familiar with those.

As always, both on this board and in life, I am advocate that all children should be entitled to being the most wonderful person in the world to at least one person, hopefully more. Nowhere did I mention your child, or anyone else's specifically. I will continue to think that those parents who choose to teach their children that the rules (of common courtsey) do not apply to them are setting a poor example for their children. I sincerely hope that no else will ever have to be injured at WDW as a result of the atmosphere created by people who believe that it is okay to place their desires above those of others.

I have responded to your personal attack without being rude to you personally. I hope that you will try to do the same. Let's try to keep our comments in general terms of those who believe leaving for potty breaks and then rejoining their party is rude and those who don't believe it is rude.
 
I think that WDW has to develop a more organized system at some of the fast pass entrances. We never know if WE will be accused of cutting at some of the entrances. Case in point...you come to the entrance of AK's Safari fastpass entrance and there's a bunch of people massed in front just standing there....and it's your time to go in. The CM is just standing there. We never know what to do because most of those standing in the "mass" are waiting for their times to come up. So we just go up to the CM to give our passes. Same at Space Mountain. Well it's so confusing because sometimes we get yelled at for doing this. They need to enforce that if it's NOT YOUR TIME stand somewhere else....not in front of the entrance near the CM. We're not trying to cut those that have a valid FP time!
 
In April, when we were getting in line for Space Mountain, a large group of teens were in front of us, at least 10 of them. One girl asked if 2 of them could hold the place in line while the other kids went on a different ride. The CM told her sure, and that he would just let the others come through the FastPass line when they got there. I complained to the CM (nicely) and was told that his instructions were to give everyone a Magical experience. Their 'Magical Experience" left me a bit grumpy. 5 of the group tried to join their 2 friends about 10 feet from the last turnstile before your board the ride. I and several other prople wouldn't allow them to go in front of us. They ended up about 20 people behind their 2 friends. The 2 friends could have decided to go back 20 people and join their other friends, but they didn't want to do that.

I think if a group wants to be together, the part of the group that is further up in line should go back to where the rest of the group is, not vice-versa. In fact, I said this to someone (a teenager) who was trying to rejoin her sister in the line for the Mad Hatter Tea Party attraction. She pointed ahead in line and said she was going to her sister as she tried to walk past me. I asked her why her sister couldn't come back to where she was. She just kept walking past me and never looked at me again. Hopefully I at least made her think about her actions. Why does she have the right to go in front of me, who has been patiently waiting?
 
EMom said:
Again, of the theme parks I have been to in my life (WDW among them) I have never seen such a rule posted. Perhaps it is a regional thing, because temporarily leaving a line to take a child to potty is just accepted around here.
But, while that issue has been introduced into this thread, and debated hotly, it wasn’t the OP’s actual complaint. He/she is (rightfully) upset about the people who weren’t in line to begin with, who then attempt to cut ahead of everyone who’s already in line, to join someone – real or imaginary ;).

1. If everyone who thinks they or their child MIGHT....just MIGHT have occasion to even once need to get out of line to go potty takes that step recommended by so many of you and gets a GAC.....
I must have missed those posts. Who suggested getting a GAC for anyone with ‘typical’ (i.e. non-medical) needs?

disneygal55 said:
They need to enforce that if it's NOT YOUR TIME stand somewhere else....not in front of the entrance near the CM. We're not trying to cut those that have a valid FP time!
Yeah! A sort of FastPass Holding Pen! :teeth: I like it!

darlak said:
I complained to the CM (nicely) and was told that his instructions were to give everyone a Magical experience. Their 'Magical Experience" left me a bit grumpy.
Here I go, being confused again. What about the Magical Experience of the Guests waiting in line the entire time?
 
My thoughts on this.

After working for both companies (WDW, Universal) I agree that Universal's "skip the line system" is a bit better.

Most would disagree because it costs more, but think like this...

In Disney, EVERYONE is entitled to a FastPass... EVERYONE! This means that basically, for every major attraction, there are 2 lines coming at the "merge" area. The ratios for this area are insane. In the attraction I worked at Disney, the FP ratios were to allow 9 stand by guests, then 50 FP guests. Soarin, I've heard, is even worse.

If fastpass wasn't there, I could let 60 standby guests go.

And, since it's free, the line is always long and backed up, because everyone has a FP.

At Universal, yes, the Express Pass is more money, but think like this. I don't know if you all know this, but the Express Pass is only good one time at each attraction. We mark them with a symbol from each ride (H for hulk, SP for spiderman...).

So if it's only good once in each express line, then yes, the express lines are long in the morning, but by the afternoon, their are barely anyone in them, basically just the resort guests (who get unlimited express with their room key).

It makes it nicer for them, and keeps the express line short, which means more standby guests can get onto the attraction.

I hope this made sense.


I haven't finished reading this whole thread yet, so forgive me if I am repeating something that has already been said, but...

I can see where this would work for Universal, but I think that it would still need modification to work for Disney. The percentage of people visiting Universal that are also resort guests at Universal is far lower than the percentage of people visiting Disney parks that are Disney resort guests, I am sure...

The line may be less clogged, but it would still be clogged...

As for Disney having longer lines than everywhere else, Disney also has higher attendance than everywhere else, so they will have problems others do not have.

I agree that something should be done, but I don't know what.

Even throwing out cutters...how do you distinguish at the queue entrance who is cutting and who is legitimate? Some people would find efforts to curb this less than magical, and Disney is all about the magic, right?

Not that I advocate line cutting, quite the opposite. I just don't know what the solution is.
 
What I have concluded from reading this thread is that some of us will continue to exercise good manners and treat our fellow Disney travelers with respect and others will continue to place their own desires before the rights of other people.

By the way, I'm from the South and I will continue to allow others to break line in front of me if they happen to have a small child with them. I will also continue to be dismayed at their poor parenting choices as they continue to teach their children that they are above the rules.

:sad2: :sad2: :sad2:

*Good manners*? ~~ To judge others and say they make 'poor parenting choices' because they happen to have a different opinion on a situation than you do?
 
But, while that issue has been introduced into this thread, and debated hotly, it wasn’t the OP’s actual complaint. He/she is (rightfully) upset about the people who weren’t in line to begin with, who then attempt to cut ahead of everyone who’s already in line, to join someone – real or imaginary ;).
Abssolutely right!

If my DD and I are in line with 2 DGC and one needs to "go" if one of us leave to take that child to the potty the other two are still in line - If we don't come back they get on the ride ahead of anyone behind them. If we do come back we all usually end up in the same car and the people behind them are still in the same place they were whether we left and came back or not. (Yes there are some exceptions such as soarin, it's a bugs life etc) but for many of rides you are not in any different place than you were before. Now if while taking the child to the potty we find 4 more members of our group and try to bring them back to the line that is wrong and rude and it would in fact be line cutting as they weren't in the line to begin with. It must be nice for those superior parents out there who have never had a child have a sudden immediate and urgent need to use the potty even if they went just a half hour before when everyone took a potty break. In over 30 trips we have only had this happen once and fortunately the people around us were all very understanding and pleasant when our potty child and parent returned to the line. We were about 25 minutes into a 45 minute line at the time.

I am reminded of the woman who told me one day about how she used to see children having a meltdown or doing something she thought was not correct and couldn't understand how the parents could let that happen. Then she had a child of her own and still felt that she was doing a better job than her sister whose children she had seen "misbehave" at times - untillll---- she was crossing the street one day with her child and said perfectly raised child decided to lie down and kick and scream in the middle of the street for no apparent reason at all. She said she never made another judgemental remark about someones parenting skills again.

I have seen people who tried to cut into the fast pass line be turned back when they got to the CM who was actually taking the FP tickets and they didn't have one to give them so some CMs are doing their job correctly.
 

My sentiment exactly.

All I have to say is that anyone who considers a child with a parent leaving line for the restroom to rejoin the rest of their family or to simply regain their place in line (if no other family is present) as poor form or rude needs to really re-evaluate their priorities in life as well as their vacation.

I fail to realize how someone can have a fun/relaxing vacation when they obsess about things that they are unable to control.

Society is getting more rude and more egocentric - this is a fact of life, evolution/devolution or whatever you want to chalk it up to. If someone cuts in line by claiming that they are meeting family - let them. If they end up in front of you with no family greeting them, then put them in their place. There are so many more things that one should worry about other than another party's line-cutting.

I go in 4 days and I hope and pray (and I know that I won't) that I don't come away from my vacation in a frenzy over things that are either out of my control or are trivial in the grand scheme of things.

If I miss an attraction or two - oh well. Disney World is only as magical as you make it, so don't let some bad eggs sour your experience. If you really feel that this is an overwhelming problem, organize and take it to someone who either cares or who can fix it.

This problem is Disney's; not Joe Linecutter's and not Jane Linewaiter's. It seems to me that profit margins dictate policy more than guest satisfaction does these days.

This is all pretty sad IMHO. Mankind needs to learn love and respect again - even if someone does something contrary to what you would personally do. Get over it.
 
i didnt read the whole thread and we didint run into the potty thing while we were there this July. We had alot of people joining their party at the end of the line. I would entering the line and the family in front of us would say oh those people who are behind you are with us. It was annoying after awhile it happened everyday. If I am lagging behind my DH for whatever reason he waits for me before entering the line so we arent cutting others. It didnt ruin my vacation but after several times a day it got really annoying. Also to add it was always adults NOT kids.
 
Line cutting - I can see where it could get heated.

But potty breaks? C'mon guys. Really....all this over potty breaks?
 
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