line cheaters at Princess Fairytale hall

[Dr Gevil]

hubbahubba Which movie is this from?!

I believe that is No Country for Old Men.

 

[SeanTomorrow]

I believe that is No Country for Old Men.

Masterfully chosen, given the topic of a few recent posts!

 

[kittyab]

Eh - it's really a small percentage of people. Most people aren't so hard on their fellow humans.

And most of them are all talk, as well. Think about it - how many guest-to-guest confrontations have you witnessed during your trips to WDW? Huge men (every man or husband on the Dis is 6'5", 250 lbs.) throwing their bodies across a queue to block passage? People throwing food off tables that were "saved" or forceably shoving others out of their way when they stop on a path? The way people talk on here you'd think there were near-constant throw downs, but there aren't.

I will just have to beware of line & potty police LOL!

 

[alvernon90]

I do not judge others for something as small as a place in line. I could care less if it takes me 3 seconds more to get on a ride so someone can have a family member meet them.

If you think a place in line is a small thing and a short delay is no big deal, why do you get in line before your father is ready to join the line with you? Why not wait until he parks the ECV, if you could care less about such a small thing?

It's funny how skewed the ratio is between people who say "lines are no big deal, I'll just wait" and "lines are no big deal, get out of my way while I cut in front of you." It is that selfish and self-righteous attitude that grates far more than the actual delay caused by people like you.

"How dare you judge me for cutting the line in front of you!" Well, buddy, I'm judging you for a lot more than that, and others are as well.

 

[alvernon90]

I will just have to beware of line & potty police LOL!

I think you will find that the potty police are a smaller subset of people who oppose line cutting. If you were already in line and you will soon be back in line, it's not a big deal. People will be fine with that. If you say you are leaving so a kid can use the bathroom and come back 30 minutes later carrying Dole Whips and talking about the fact that IASW was a walk-on, people will get upset.

If you are cutting ahead in a line you never joined in the first place, people will fantasize about spitting on you.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

So a party of five is acceptable, but a party of 25 is not? What about five parties of five? Where do you draw the line? How many parties get to send one person on ahead while the other four rally until it gets to be unacceptable?

Posters are reacting as if there's a single family involved. If that were true, this wouldn't be an issue - given that one party can't be holding spaces in all attraction lines at all times. The situation wouldn't even register as a blip.

I think I wasn't clear. It isn't about "running ahead" and I am talking about one family unit. A family unit with 2 adults and 3 kids gets to the line that is an hour and a half long. Dad holds the place while Mom takes kids over to sit down, restroom, snack. No problem. When they reach the last 15 minutes or so, the family joins Dad and all visit the character(s) together. No harm, no foul. Now a group of 20 adults together, should all get in line. A group of 5 family units together in a larger group should put one family member in line from each family unit.

We're talking about glorified M&Gs here. I think I was pretty clear. One placeholder (DW -- Disney Whatever) per family unit per M&G session is OK with me, since they all experience the M&G at the same time, in the same instance. If there are ten placeholders ahead of me, then I'm OK with ten family groups, for ten M&G instances, joining them. Not eleven, not twelve, not fifteen.

Shows (where there are "mass gathering" pre-show areas prior to auditorium entry) cannot be regulated once everyone's in the pre-show area, so again, line order doesn't matter so much.

For ride attractions, I still firmly believe families/groups/etc should enter the line TOGETHER. Ride attractions involve sequential spacing (seats, vehicles) with discrete guest capacity. Those should remain strictly FIFO as far as I'm concerned. I'm ambivalent about those leaving the line for bio breaks when necessary, but only after having actually been in line. Anything else is not fair to everyone else in line.

And yes, I'm OK with single-rider lines, to maximize ride capacity. My only caveat is that I expect CMs to enforce single riding from the single-rider line.

It (the line) ends where the last person in/on it is standing. I will share that data with those trying to pass me.

This all seems pretty reasonable to me.

How do we know anybody's real circumstances? That is why we each should not be so judgmental. I would never stop anyone from going by unless it was a group of misbehaving & unruly teens. I've been irritated before, but just let it go. Someone who is rude or "cheating" is the one losing, it shouldn't bother me at all. What is 2 or 5 or 10 more minutes in the scheme of Disney World? Life is to short to get all bent out of shape about lines.

I have never heard or read in my life the term "on line." It is funny how much it bothers me when I am reading. Whatever they may say in NY, even the NYT article admitted that the grammatically correct wording is IN LINE!!! We must save the world. Forget the whales, nuclear weapons, or whatever else and stop the "on line" before it is too late!

 

[kaytieeldr]

I think I wasn't clear. It isn't about "running ahead" and I am talking about one family unit. A family unit with 2 adults and 3 kids gets to the line that is an hour and a half long. Dad holds the place while Mom takes kids over to sit down, restroom, snack. No problem. When they reach the last 15 minutes or so, the family joins Dad and all visit the character(s) together. No harm, no foul. Now a group of 20 adults together, should all get in line. A group of 5 family units together in a larger group should put one family member in line from each family unit.

This thread was initiated because someone ran ahead - so ultimately that's what it's about, despite the detour into potty runs. Clearly I wasn't clear. At/after how many unconnected parties of five does it become unacceptable for one person to hold a place in line while the rest of each party both has a place in a line and visits other areas of the park? Even with one party and only if the CMs okay it, the entire party should be in view of the queue.

 

[larryz]

Wow this thread has gotten so judgmental. It almost makes not want to go back to WDW.

That's their plan -- guilt you into not going so you won't be in line in front of them!!!

 

[TLSnell1981]

I will just have to beware of line & potty police LOL!

I'm not scared.

 

[huhwhat]

Why would anyone have to physically move anyone? A simple excuse me as you slide by is all that is necessary. .

oh that's because her burly hubby was going to not let anyone pass , regardless of whether "excuse" me was said. He is the line police of Disney it seems.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

My father has a Breathing disorder and can't walk as fast as us. We were there two weeks ago and sometimes approached the line before him. We had him meet us wherever we were online and had no problem doing that. It's laughable that people get upset about this or little kids having to go to the bathroom and
Then meeting their party on the line. Pretty sad.

I am very pregnant. Walk very slow. And on our last day visit as a family, sciatica decided to make its presence known for the first time ever compromising my ability to walk and slowing me way down.

So--my family slowed down or I sent then ahead to an attraction without me. Novel concept.

My mom has been disabled for many years. Never occurred to us to leave her behind, secure a line spot and then have her just mosey on through and catch up.

Will I say anything to you at Disney? Unlikely not as would most people.

But pretending that a disability should avail you to some special privilege to be rude with how you decide your family will queue up won't make it right. (And before my words get twisted, this is not directed to those who were eligible for the GAC when it existed or the DAS now which are not tools of privilege, but rather tools to facilitate accommodating a guest.)

As at this is a discussion board and you have elected to participate in the discussion, becoming indignant when people call you out for what is rude behavior is silly.

I find it laughable that you can not be bothered to patiently wait for the disabled member of your party. I find it selfish of him of he is sending you on these line saving missions. Very sad actually. And extremely lacking in common courtesy but overflowing with entitlement.

But no, I won't say this at Disney and likely won't think much of it. But as this is a discussion board and you elected to participate, I opted to join you and share my observations of your actions.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Interesting read. Lots of passion on the subject on both sides. The only comment I have to make is that the 6'4" 225 pound guy needs to be somewhat careful about how he blocks people from passing. Doing so in a threatening manner could be considered menacing which is against the law and if enough people complain could see a worse result than just being escorted out of the park. More than likely, they would try to find a peaceful solution first and only if the person was belligerent and refusing to follow directions, would there ever be an actual issue.

In my opinion, the best course of action if you see someone you think is breaking the rules is to point them out to a CM and let the CM decide if they want to observe the rule.

 

[Cyrano]

okay fun is over.