*Lightbulb Moment* Why people act brash at disney world! (IMO)

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In light of the recent thread about folks acting rude at the parks, I wanted to share a thought that came to me this morning. If this is belongs in a different area, I totally understand.

When I was in grad school, one of our books we read in The Psychology of Money class was by a guy who writes a column for the WSJ and teaches (or taught) at Duke. It was a book about human behavior and how our social and business norms affect our decisions.

It was so valuable and has saved me thousands on mortgage and auto deals, because I can now spot when a sales person is trying to switch me from business norms to social norms.

This is what I think (In my opinion) is happening at WDW and why people don't seem to act, in the theme parks, as caring as they might act at a neighborhood park.

Here's how it works: (specific details may be paraphrased here and this is only one of many experiments which demonstrated this principle)

The author did an experiment at a college where they offered a tray of candy. For free.

People were thrilled and took one, maybe two...this was not a money transaction. So it did not tap into our business values and norms. It was a social transaction and tapped into SOCIAL NORMS.

Folks took one and left the rest for the fellow students. Because Social Norms cause us to keep our fellow man in mind. We are tapping into our love for our fellow man, our caring selves, showing our good side. We are less likely to be selfish. We smile, we take one, and we thank the person giving us this candy, we don't want to be greedy because others are coming by and they may want one.

But...when they changed the sign from 'free candy' to 'CANDY for 2 cents!", suddenly the social norm changed to BUSINESS NORMS.

Now that money was involved, this transaction no longer tapped in the social norms but was strictly a business transaction. Money for goods.

The emotion driving the action no longer tapped into the same area as the social norm. It was all about the financial deal. The students pulled out money and wiped the platter clean. They would buy ALL the candy and leave NONE for the fellow students. The caring for the fellow man disappeared. This business transaction involved sacrificing hard earned money for goods, and tapped into a completely different area of emotion. This was a business deal. they could buy as much as they wanted and if the next guy walking by wanted some, he should have gotten there sooner.

This principle is why we tend to see a good salesperson try to get personal. If they can get us to transfer over from our business norms to social norms, then we begin to care about the salesman as a person. We don't want to 'hurt his feelings' if we don't close the deal and we feel guilty for going to a different car dealership to chase the better deal because, well...this sales man and I are now kinda friends and I don't want to hurt his feelings.. This is a widely used trick and I've seen it played out many times.

When people come to Disney Parks, they are handing over THOUSANDS of their very hard earned dollars. This is a very serious business transaction and they are tapping into business norms when they make the exchange.

I am guessing, that for many, the business norm follows them into the park and they act out in a way that says, "This is for me, I am protecting my transaction" and they display behavior that is not tapping into the social, more caring side of their emotions.

I know many, MANY are kind and don't do this. I have seen many be incredibly kind. I realize there is most likely much more kindness displayed than rudeness. I am not painting a broad brush. But I do wonder....if the ones we DO see acting out, in what seems to be, a very selfish manner, if they are following this principle.

I would wonder if these same people pushing and shoving would surprise us by acting kind and mannerly at the free park down the road. Business norms and Social Norms. It's a fascinating observation.
 

Great post OP. I think this becomes more true as the scarcity of the product (rides, attractions etc) increases and the price increases.

If you are paying $5 for a party tray pizza you don't mind if other people have some slices. If you are Paying $20 you want to make sure you get your fill.

Disney's price increases, as well as their ride rationing via FP+ only increases the need for people to ensure they are getting their "monies worth" out of the transaction.
 
Awesome theory and I can definitely see it from that perspective, especially if the trip is a once in a lifetime trip for a family. It also probably explains a little bit about the way some people treat the CMs. That and those people just have no manners.
 
I think there's a lot to this. That said, I never have any qualms about "hurting a salesman's feelings" if I don't buy what they're selling. Some of them have a hard time dealing with it.

For me personally, once we've paid our money and checked in, the transaction is done and the cost is sunk no matter what happens after. We enjoy our vacation and make sure we don't detract from someone else's.
 
A good illustration of something we've all seen repeatedly on the boards. Complaints of " I've spent $xxxxx on this trip and I want it all. Now!" It's every person for themselves. And by extension, the oft heard parent to child tirade " I just spent $xxxxx on this trip, so quit you're whining and have fun, dang it!".

It doesn't explain all the bad behavior seen in the parks ( because of the simple fact that some people are just jerks 24/7), but it IS one reason.
 
A good illustration of something we've all seen repeatedly on the boards. Complaints of " I've spent $xxxxx on this trip and I want it all. Now!" It's every person for themselves. And by extension, the oft heard parent to child tirade " I just spent $xxxxx on this trip, so quit you're whining and have fun, dang it!".

It doesn't explain all the bad behavior seen in the parks ( because of the simple fact that some people are just jerks 24/7), but it IS one reason.

Yeah, if someone complains and says how much they spent on their vacation to Disney World, I tune them out. Because there are other places you can spend the same amount of money and would that vacation be perfect? No - because NO vacation, like NO marriage, like NO child, like NO parent, like NO sibling is perfect. Because guess what? LIFE isn't perfect.
 
I do think that paying creates an entitlement mentality. I see so many people in competition for getting the most for their buck in terms of resort, free dining, etc. - Disney has made it all about the buck.
 
I think it's less about money and more about TIME. There just ISNT enough TIME. Sometimes time equals money, sometimes not. As AP holders, we are MUCH more laid back since we know we can always come back tomorrow etc. (We have plenty of time even though we paid a fair amount.) But, if we are running in to our last of our FP window, we will definitely start running and hope that we can get around you as politely as possible as being fast allows us to be.

For many families, their time IS their money, because they only have X days to get it all done. I've learned that I can't stress about doing every thing in that single day, you just have to accept that there will be another trip, do what you can and enjoy what you do. (We still have that get it all in feeling when our friends come and only have two day hoppers etc)

As a side point, people, I really WILL try not to run over people, but sometimes people do the MOST unpredictable things and literally decide out of no where either to stop immediately right in the street or decide to jump off their ledge right on or into us etc. Or lil kids leave their parents side and wander right in front of us and do circles and now we have no idea which way to go around them, do we go left, do we go right, straight? NO WAY to tell!

So lets take some responsibility as well when it comes to the main thoroughfares...
 
That makes an incredible amount of sense. I remember a mom we saw at Animal Kingdom with her three year old that was telling the poor kid "Your mad, Mommy's mad, Daddy's mad and you have ruined our vacation!" Wow - a lot to stick on a three year old!
 
I think at Disney, more than other vacations, there is a big class division among guests. Some people are staying deluxe, some offsite, etc. And that maybe makes people feel entitled? I think the "once in a lifetime" phrasing is a bad way to look at a trip to WDW. It's too much pressure. Kinda like why I was so stressed at my wedding. But I didn't trample anyone!
 
There is only a finite amount of Disney to go around. Whether that is park hours, vacation time, FP+s, money, schedules; everyone wants to scoop up and take in as much as they can to ensure they feel satisfied. Someone else made the pizza analogy and that hits home. If I have 4 $2 frozen pizzas at home and make 2 of them for me and 3 of my friends, I'll sit back and relax and pop another $2 pizza in incase I'm still hungry....im not going broke by it.

However, if I'm at a fancier pizza parlor with 3 friends and they decide we all should just get a large pizza and they're not that hungry; but they then decide hmm maybe I am hungrier than I thought and start devouring more; it'd be a problem.
 
That makes an incredible amount of sense. I remember a mom we saw at Animal Kingdom with her three year old that was telling the poor kid "Your mad, Mommy's mad, Daddy's mad and you have ruined our vacation!" Wow - a lot to stick on a three year old!

Kid won't remember it. I don't get why they think a kid under four will remember Disney. If your once in a lifetime trip to Disney is with a three year old then you are wasting your money.
 
Interesting. I am a psychology professor and it makes sense. Anonymity plus pressure to compete for the "best" time. Do you think FP+ has made thing more or less civil?
 
Interesting. I am a psychology professor and it makes sense. Anonymity plus pressure to compete for the "best" time. Do you think FP+ has made thing more or less civil?

Are you familiar with Dan Ariely's work? As far as FP+, that's hard to say. Before, people were running to get early morning slips of paper. All serious disney nazi's sent a 'runner'. Now, that has been negated and people can at least rest easy and say yes, Aunt Mabel..you ARE going to get to ride Soarin! If I had to guess, I would say the pressure and bad behavior have risen in sync with the rise of prices. It's not uncommon for a family to spend $4-5K on a WDW trip, and when you consider the average household income is 50K, that's a HUGE chunk of money.
 


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