Let's talk exposure

[PaulD]

That's unrealistic when you've got dots from 18 cameras all over your subject. And perhaps you didn't know, but many press outlets have very stringent rules on alteration of files to preserve journalistic integrety.

Anne

I'm not sure it's as big a problem as that. I'm sure it happens occasionally but I've taken many thousands of photos and I've never had this happen even once. I suppose if you are a journalist taking the same photo at the same time as 20 other journalists then you might have a problem but this is not the type of person using a Sony P&S anyway. Frankly, I find it more irritating when you're walking around Disney World at night minding your own business when you're suddenly blinded by a strobing camera trying to focus. I don't let it bother me but at least that has happened to me. I'd be interested to know what situation you have encountered where so many red dots were covering your subject.

 

[ducklite]

I'm not sure it's as big a problem as that. I'm sure it happens occasionally but I've taken many thousands of photos and I've never had this happen even once. I suppose if you are a journalist taking the same photo at the same time as 20 other journalists then you might have a problem but this is not the type of person using a Sony P&S anyway. Frankly, I find it more irritating when you're walking around Disney World at night minding your own business when you're suddenly blinded by a strobing camera trying to focus. I don't let it bother me but at least that has happened to me. I'd be interested to know what situation you have encountered where so many red dots were covering your subject.

Where is happens is at concerts where they allow the audience to bring in cameras. A lot of kids have those cheap Sony & Kodak P&S numbers, and so yes, it's quite possible that at a "boy band" show, where they don't stop flashing all night, it's happening. It happened to me at the Veronica's, and at Scott Stapp--who isn't a boy band, but close enough based on the way his fans act.

Anne

 

[MICKEY88]

That's unrealistic when you've got dots from 18 cameras all over your subject. And perhaps you didn't know, but many press outlets have very stringent rules on alteration of files to preserve journalistic integrety.

Anne

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you're right I don't know anything....sigh.............


the bottom line is if they allow cameras in then you have to deal with it, they aren't going to change the rules for one photographer.

 

[ducklite]

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you're right I don't know anything....sigh.............


the bottom line is if they allow cameras in then you have to deal with it, they aren't going to change the rules for one photographer.

I'm not the only photographer that has had this complaint--trust me. I saw a guy who shoots for a SPIN grab some chicks SONY camera right out of her hand and hand it off to a security guard--it was a no camera facility and she had snuck it in. Four other photographers in the pit stopped shooting to applaud him.

That's one nice thing about HOB, no cameras without credentials, and they take them, no questions.

Frankly, after the first three songs, I don't care what the bimbo's groupies, posuers, and "fans" do. But they need to let the pro's do their job without messing them up with their retarded laser systems and flashes ruining our photo's. No pro in their right mind would do that to another pro. It's not that big of a world out there, and pissing off your peers can make it very difficult in the pit.

Anne

 

[PaulD]

Where is happens is at concerts where they allow the audience to bring in cameras.

I can see what you're saying. That would be pretty annoying. But think how annoying it must be to the band members who are getting shot in the eyes with lasers...

I still think that for the most part this is a non-issue for most people. You obviously work in a unique profession with a unique problem. The problem that I have to deal with is that I'm constantly shuffling people around to get them out of my scene. So, honestly, I feel your pain.

 

[MICKEY88]

I'm not the only photographer that has had this complaint--trust me. I saw a guy who shoots for a SPIN grab some chicks SONY camera right out of her hand and hand it off to a security guard--it was a no camera facility and she had snuck it in. Four other photographers in the pit stopped shooting to applaud him.

That's one nice thing about HOB, no cameras without credentials, and they take them, no questions.

Frankly, after the first three songs, I don't care what the bimbo's groupies, posuers, and "fans" do. But they need to let the pro's do their job without messing them up with their retarded laser systems and flashes ruining our photo's. No pro in their right mind would do that to another pro. It's not that big of a world out there, and pissing off your peers can make it very difficult in the pit.

Anne

that's a sad sign of the times I suppose, no old school photographer would ever grab someones camera,
in 30 years of photography one thing I learned, was that Professional Photographers, are the friendliest,helpful, most courteous group I've ever known, always showing respect for anyone with camera in hand, whether professional or amateur, always eager to share their knowledge and help others learn. never bashing anyone for their choice of camera, knowing full well that some people use what they can afford, and also knowing that some pros possibly started out with a polaroid they got as a gift, but instead Professionals will do their best to help others shoot the best possible pictures with the equipment available..

the number one rule for a Professional Photographer, is to do the job in the least obtrussive manner possible, basically being unseen while capturing the event,,,,NEVER EVER becoming part of the event.


Reality is, these people, which is what they are in spite of whatever name calling you choose to do, pay good money to see a show....

They are entitled to see the show without being interfered with by a group of photographers, if the venue allows cameras, they have every right to use them,

any pros covering the event, must work around that and as in any type of photography overcome obstacles

the minute the camera grabbing so-called professional touched the girls camera, he crossed the line, the others who applauded crossed the line,


his job was to take pictures why shouldn't he have let security do their job, all he had to do was tell them.

perhaps in that venue he got away with it, in a lot of places I know, he not only would have been banned from further attendance, but he would have had a hard time getting credentials to shoot anywhere, the last thing anyone needs at their event is a photographer who can't control himself and act professionally, behaving in such a manner that he could cause a fight or riot

I'm willing to bet that with a few properly placed phone calls he wouldn't be shooting for spin again, no one wants to employ someone who puts them at risk for lawsuits..

 

[PaulD]

Well said Mickey88.

 

[ukcatfan]

Going all the way back to the original point of this thread, I would suggest covering the light/laser with a piece of non-transparent tape (duct tape or masking tape). I would try this before your trip though. You would not want to mess up all of your pictures if that camera needs it to focus.

 

[Kelly Grannell]

if it's needed for focus and exposure, covering it will mess things up.

 

[PaulD]

I don't see the point of covering the focus assist. As I said before I don't think it's a big deal in most situations. Just be conscientious of how you might affect others before you take the shot and you'll be fine (i.e. please no flash photos on the dark rides). You don't have to ruin your experience just to please everyone else. Most people take photos at the parks. And some people will be annoyed no matter what you do. Don't worry about it. Just have fun and don't stress about the little things.

 

[Marseeya]

Where is happens is at concerts where they allow the audience to bring in cameras. A lot of kids have those cheap Sony & Kodak P&S numbers, and so yes, it's quite possible that at a "boy band" show, where they don't stop flashing all night, it's happening. It happened to me at the Veronica's, and at Scott Stapp--who isn't a boy band, but close enough based on the way his fans act.

Anne

Put Scott Stapp in front of me and I might squeal like a little piggie too.

 

[ducklite]

that's a sad sign of the times I suppose, no old school photographer would ever grab someones camera,
in 30 years of photography one thing I learned, was that Professional Photographers, are the friendliest,helpful, most courteous group I've ever known, always showing respect for anyone with camera in hand, whether professional or amateur, always eager to share their knowledge and help others learn. never bashing anyone for their choice of camera, knowing full well that some people use what they can afford, and also knowing that some pros possibly started out with a polaroid they got as a gift, but instead Professionals will do their best to help others shoot the best possible pictures with the equipment available..

Most pros I know will bend over backwards to help out people with advice. The biggest issue is these camers which use a alser system when they aren't supposed to ahve them in the venue anyhow. When cameras are allowed, there's not much that can be done. But people who sneak cameras into venues have no right to complain when their camera is removed from them.

the number one rule for a Professional Photographer, is to do the job in the least obtrussive manner possible, basically being unseen while capturing the event,,,,NEVER EVER becoming part of the event.[/quote/

I agree, although like I said, that was a venue that doesn't allow cameras anyhow.

Reality is, these people, which is what they are in spite of whatever name calling you choose to do, pay good money to see a show....

They are entitled to see the show without being interfered with by a group of photographers, if the venue allows cameras, they have every right to use them,

any pros covering the event, must work around that and as in any type of photography overcome obstacles

the minute the camera grabbing so-called professional touched the girls camera, he crossed the line, the others who applauded crossed the line,


his job was to take pictures why shouldn't he have let security do their job, all he had to do was tell them.

The venue doesn't allow cameras, and the security had no problem with him taking it out of her hands and handing it to security. The end justified the means. Security had no problem with his actions.

perhaps in that venue he got away with it, in a lot of places I know, he not only would have been banned from further attendance, but he would have had a hard time getting credentials to shoot anywhere, the last thing anyone needs at their event is a photographer who can't control himself and act professionally, behaving in such a manner that he could cause a fight or riot

I'm willing to bet that with a few properly placed phone calls he wouldn't be shooting for spin again, no one wants to employ someone who puts them at risk for lawsuits..

Lawsuit for what? Taking a camera and handing it to security when she had smuggled it in? He did control himself. He didn't beat her up, yell at her, or cause any problem.

Whatever. You worked with regional bands in little clubs--I generally work with multi-platinum national acts in major concert clubs and arenas. While I'm not saying your work was more or less important, I am saying that they are two different worlds. Until you've been in mine, you'll never understand.

Anne (Who shot at the venerable CBGB's the other night--a tiny little hole, but so much history in those walls....)

 

[ducklite]

I don't see the point of covering the focus assist. As I said before I don't think it's a big deal in most situations. Just be conscientious of how you might affect others before you take the shot and you'll be fine (i.e. please no flash photos on the dark rides). You don't have to ruin your experience just to please everyone else. Most people take photos at the parks. And some people will be annoyed no matter what you do. Don't worry about it. Just have fun and don't stress about the little things.

I agree-- the point is to be polite and aware that laser focus cameras will affect other people's experiences. Don't use them anywhere dark where the little laser pinpoints will be seen by anyone--in dark rides even with the flash off for example. It's the same effect as playing with a laser pointer in them.

Anne

 

[MICKEY88]

Most pros I know will bend over backwards to help out people with advice. The biggest issue is these camers which use a alser system when they aren't supposed to ahve them in the venue anyhow. When cameras are allowed, there's not much that can be done. But people who sneak cameras into venues have no right to complain when their camera is removed from them.

the number one rule for a Professional Photographer, is to do the job in the least obtrussive manner possible, basically being unseen while capturing the event,,,,NEVER EVER becoming part of the event.[/quote/

I agree, although like I said, that was a venue that doesn't allow cameras anyhow.



The venue doesn't allow cameras, and the security had no problem with him taking it out of her hands and handing it to security. The end justified the means. Security had no problem with his actions.



Lawsuit for what? Taking a camera and handing it to security when she had smuggled it in? He did control himself. He didn't beat her up, yell at her, or cause any problem.

Whatever. You worked with regional bands in little clubs--I generally work with multi-platinum national acts in major concert clubs and arenas. While I'm not saying your work was more or less important, I am saying that they are two different worlds. Until you've been in mine, you'll never understand.

Anne (Who shot at the venerable CBGB's the other night--a tiny little hole, but so much history in those walls....)

it doesn't matter if security cared or not, he was a photographer, not a security guard, his behavior was not very professional, and the sort of thing that would get one banned from PPA, or any professional organization for photographers...

some teenage girl sneaking in a camera does NOT justify, breaking the code of ethics or professionalism..

it would be a lawsuit for physically taking someone else’s legal property, security is paid to do that he is not....

if you don't think that is something that can bring a lawsuit, explain all the lawsuits that occur, when celebrities and sports figures grab the camera of professional photographers...I suppose then it's OK, because it's the other way around.

just for the record, last time I checked, Little Texas was more than a regional band. and if you really read any of my posts I recall mentioning working with international acts as well..but all of that is irrelevant, the photographers code of ethics applies no matter what the venue, or no matter what subject matter....

I continue to find it interesting that although you keep telling others on this board, myself now included, that you aren't saying their work is less important, that is exactly what you continue to do, it seems you need to justify your work by putting others down, just let your photos speak for themselves,

and photojournalists may edit photos as long as they adhere to their code of ethics

Editing should maintain the integrity of the photographic images' content and context. Do not manipulate images or add or alter sound in any way that can mislead viewers or misrepresent subjects...

taken from the photojournalists code of ethics..

5.Strive to be unobtrusive and humble in dealing with subjects.

6.Respect the integrity of the photographic moment . Strive by example and influence to maintain the spirit and high standards expressed in this code.


7When confronted with situations in which the proper action is not clear, seek the counsel of those who exhibit the highest standards of the profession. Photojournalists should continuously study their craft and the ethics that guide it.


I'm not going to say anymore, because I will not get banned because of you,

I will however continue to tell others how Professional photographers conduct themselves, whenever I see anyone on this board being put down for using the wrong equipment or for not being as knowledgeable as others...


edited for spelling

 

[Kelly Grannell]

and wow! look at the things it can do by clicking ONE button.

original image

Black and white version using Photoshop (not AE 1.0), not happy with the result

Black and white version using AE 1.0, Ilford 100 simulation (the black and white 35mm stock of my choice during the 35mm era)

Saturated version using AE 1.0, Fuji Velvia emulation (the film stock of my choice if I want saturated colours, again during the 35mm era)

Diffused version (from AE 1.0). Not quite Zeiss Softar, but close enough.

Sepia (also AE 1.0)

 

[cryssi]

wow! I just might have to go get that now...

 

[Kelly Grannell]

It's really worth it. I'm not the type of person who likes spending time in front of the PC tweaking levels, etc. I'm still using lots of lens filters for my special effects. I'm really old school. I even limit myself by using only JPEG and treat the digital medium as an extension of 35mm.

This plugin allows me to use Tmax, Velvia, Ilford and feel like I'm using real film again.

 

[geetey]

Wow! That is REALLY cool, Kelly! I will have to put that program on my Wish List. Maybe by Christmas I will be ready to learn something new!

 

[Kelly Grannell]

Since lately I've been seeing people playing with B&W, Sepia, etc using camera preset, I'm bumping this thread to show people what they can do with a simple click rather than playing with preset within their camera.

 

[fitzperry]

Kelly (and anyone else),

When you convert to b&w in PS, do you use the "remove color" function, or do you desaturate, or something else? There was an exercise in a PS book that I have that involved desaturating and then playing with the color channels. It produced some nice results, but I can't remember all the steps, and I'm usually too lazy to go back and read them. Just wondering what others do.

I checked out Alienskin's website, and it looks like a cool plug-in. Add that to my wish list, along with the Nikon 18-200VR lens, monitor calibration software, etc.