let's talk ER waiting

It’s horrible around here.
My DD22 recently waited 6 hours with my sick 3 month old DGS.
When my DD was 3 she was throwing up blood - I saved the bloody vomit, rushed her to ER where I thought they would rush her in - nope! We waited for 7 hours and finally saw a doctor at 11:30pm
 
My understanding is that ER have to treat people who can't pay - no matter what. So, if you have no insurance and no way to immediately pay for care you will be turned away at a regular Dr office and any urgent care center. You will not be turned away at the ER. So ERs are full of people who should be somewhere else, but can't afford it. Gotta love healthcare in the US.

Yes this is very true. So EMTALA made it so that true Emergency Departments cannot turn away a patient due to payment status. This goes for mothers in labor and anyone else. The ED will have to triage you, stabilize you, then they can look into transferring you if needed (i.e. say you're in a hospital that is not in-network with your insurance, well that could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills that would end up patient responsibility).

Back before EMTALA the emergency department could turn you away and tell you to go to another hospital which meant some true emergencies could be dying or getting worst in transit to the other facility. EMTALA also doesn't stop the hospital from billing patients so if they really can't afford it they could end up going to collections or getting sued depending on the hospital.

The medical field is honestly a mess lol!
 
I know waiting in the ER stinks, but they have to treat in order of seriousness. Back in 98, I rushed my then 2 year old to the ER with what ended up being diagnosed as diabetic ketoacidosis (we didn't even know he was diabetic). The triage nurse took one look at him, snatched him from me and ran to the back. And I burst into tears because I knew it was bad. (And it was - blood sugar was 1287 at the time). I thank God every day for that nurse.
 
I know waiting in the ER stinks, but they have to treat in order of seriousness. Back in 98, I rushed my then 2 year old to the ER with what ended up being diagnosed as diabetic ketoacidosis (we didn't even know he was diabetic). The triage nurse took one look at him, snatched him from me and ran to the back. And I burst into tears because I knew it was bad. (And it was - blood sugar was 1287 at the time). I thank God every day for that nurse.

Oh my gosh! I'll have to tell my daughter that one! She is a type 1 diabetic and has always asked how high a blood sugar can get! How scary!


And an update... I was in the ER for a total of 8 hours and had bloodwork and a CT scan. And nothing was found. I was told to follow up with my primary, who was the one I called and told me to go to Urgent Care, which then led to the ER. I'm on a constant wheel of trying to find the right person to help me. It's been a long 3 years of a lot of pain and not a lot of answers.

It's been so interesting reading all of your experiences! DH was taken by ambulance to the ER on Thanksgiving evening with a kidney stone. Even though he went in by ambulance, they had him wait in the waiting room for 2 hours before getting him back to a room, then they were able to treat him, so another experience of even though you were brought in by ambulance, depending on the severity of your problem, you might still have to wait.
 

Oh my gosh! I'll have to tell my daughter that one! She is a type 1 diabetic and has always asked how high a blood sugar can get! How scary!


And an update... I was in the ER for a total of 8 hours and had bloodwork and a CT scan. And nothing was found. I was told to follow up with my primary, who was the one I called and told me to go to Urgent Care, which then led to the ER. I'm on a constant wheel of trying to find the right person to help me. It's been a long 3 years of a lot of pain and not a lot of answers.

It's been so interesting reading all of your experiences! DH was taken by ambulance to the ER on Thanksgiving evening with a kidney stone. Even though he went in by ambulance, they had him wait in the waiting room for 2 hours before getting him back to a room, then they were able to treat him, so another experience of even though you were brought in by ambulance, depending on the severity of your problem, you might still have to wait.
I’m really sorry you didn’t get any answers. The constant round and round is so frustrating and exhausting. I don’t know what kind of pain you’re experiencing, but has your primary referred you to any specialists?

DD had been battling some pretty constant pain for 2 years and her ped finally referred her to a specialist after exhausting everything she could do and we finally got an answer.
 
I have one ER horror story. When I broke my upper arm clean in half in Philly a couple of years ago my sister took me to Methodist Hospital, which was closest. I walked in holding my arm to stop it from dangling because the bone had broken, and in horrible pain because the bones were about to poke out of my skin. I had to sit and give all of my info, and then they sent me to triage right away. I was trying to tell them I was in severe pain and they were telling me that they were pretty full so I might not get seen for awhile. I asked for something for pain and they told me that I had to be seen first. So my sister and I sat out in the waiting room for a couple of hours. I moaned once or twice because I couldn't help it, and one of the nurses came over and told me to try and be quiet because I was upsetting everyone. Excuse me...

I was finally taken in the back and I had to lay on a stretcher in the hallway. Finally a doctor came over and asked more questions and then said he was ordering morphine. I waited at least another hour for that, but it helped a lot. For a while. FINALLY one of the nurses came over and told me they were sending me to x-ray, which didn't take too long. After that, once they got a look at the pictures things went quicker because it was finally obvious that the break was severe and that the bone was a centimeter away from poking through my skin. They wrapped it up and then informed me that I had to wait for a certain resident to make his way in because he was the one that re-aligned bones before casting. I don't remember how long I waited for him, but when he got there I was finally taken to a room with a portable x-ray so he could watch while he aligned the break and set it. I wanted to die, the pain was so bad. But he aligned it well and efficiently.

I went home to New Jersey that night, and followed up with an orthopedic surgeon. I had to have a titanium rod implanted, which I still have.

All of my other ER experiences have been with Cooper Hospital in Camden, NJ. I fond them to be more efficient at moving people through and when you are stuck somewhere waiting the nurses are always coming in to keep you informed and make sure you're comfortable. YMMV, but I have never had a bad experience there. As a matter of fact, I'm having my gallbladder out at Cooper on the 6th when I could have chosen a couple of other hospitals in the region.
 
My daughter has asthma and was experiencing a particulary bad episode. All the standard meds and nebulizer was not working at home. Called her pediatrician who said to take her to the ER. It wasn't crowded in the waiting room. One another family waiting. We waited about 2 hours before being called back. When got in the the back, it was as quiet as quiet could be. Daughter still coughing, difficulty breathing, etc. Doctor comes in and said..."what do you want me to do?" Yes, she said that. I was shocked. I said, check you pulse ox, give her a stronger breathing treatment, give some medication IV so it works faster and better. I had to take my daughter to the ER when she was 2. Was having very high fever, 105. ER doctor checked her over and said she had an ear infection. Gave antibiotic prescription. For some reason, my gut was telling me to take her to pediatrician. Which I did. She did not have an ear infection. At the end of it all, she had urinary reflux. When the urine goes up the wrong way in the ureter.
 
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Or pregnant. What earlier posters have said about triage is true and it makes sense but is frustrating when you're waiting.
Hey, being pregnant doesn't always get you through faster. One of my children was born in Triage. Seriously! They didn't believe me when I told them how far along I was, and they ignored my emphatic demands to take me straight to Delivery. Thought I was being hysterical. They put me into the biggest room /in a bed with no wheels, and -- yep -- they got to deliver my baby in Triage.
Many years ago I went to the ER for a pain in my shoulder. I had turned over in bed a couple days before and I thought maybe I dislocated my shoulder ... I explained I was having pain in my shoulder and before I could say more they had me hooked up to heart monitors ...
A page back I described staying overnight in the hospital a month ago ... my story was almost identical: went in with pain in the left arm /radiating down the left arm ... except, unlike you, I was not sure it wasn't my heart, so I welcomed being hooked up to those heart monitors. I now have evidence that my heart is not only good, it's excellent. And I know all about pinched nerves.
It is very possible there was no room available earlier.
Yes, and that's why we're all telling the truth ... but are telling different stories. Not every hospital has equal rooms, equipment and workers. Not every day is equally full.
And I burst into tears because I knew it was bad. (And it was - blood sugar was 1287 at the time). I thank God every day for that nurse.
Holy cow! Blood sugar can be that high? Yes, nurses are the backbone of the hospital system -- trust them more than you trust your doctors.

Another didn't-know-he-was-diabetic story: One of my students -- a healthy-looking high school junior -- was asking to go to the rest room constantly in the class before mine. He'd ask at the beginning, and he'd ask again at the end of the 90 minutes -- he wasn't asking in my class, but mine was a "split class", so he had lunch mid-way through. The other teacher thought he was "taking advantage" and called his mom. At first his mom bristled, saying, "My kid isn't a liar." And he IS a great kid -- I adore him. But then the mom, who is a nurse, started asking questions: "How much are you drinking each day? Do you really need to urinate that often?" She tested his blood sugar and found he was in the 800s (I thought that was incredibly high, which is why your number, EveDallas, shocked me.) She immediately had him admitted to the hospital, where he was diagnosed as a Diabetic. Mom felt guilty that, as a nurse, she hadn't noted the signs -- and the teacher wasn't thinking Diabetes; she was thinking he was smoking in the boys' room or meeting friends -- you know, goofing off, as kids will do. Later she called the teacher, apologized for her previous attitude, and thanked her for putting her on the trail to the truth. This is why people need to pay attention and listen to one another!
 
My mom slipped on some uneven stepping stones and fell hard about 6 years ago, on her way back to her apartment from the pool at her senior retirement facility. A resident living near the pool saw what happened and quickly alerted staff who stayed with her until the ambulance came from about 2 miles away. I met them as they were wheeling her in to the ER. She still had her bathing suit and coverup on, poor baby but she made friends with the ambulance driver and the front desk. She wasn’t in a lot of pain at that moment, but I could see her wrist was crushed. They saw her quickly and because she had not eaten breakfast (early in the am), luckily they called a orthopedic hand specialist and he drove over from the large specialist group and saw her right away. He is the best hand specialist in the city (he did surgery on my husband previously for trigger finger). I have seen him for issues since that day. She was in surgery same day before 6 pm. Even at 85 she regained 90 percent mobility in 2 weeks with doing PT exercises at home. I credit the ER and the ensuing fast turn around surgery for her quick recovery.

This is a large trauma hospital, not generally the best for seniors, but by far the best for heart issues. And that day anyway, for a little grey haired lady in a 1 piece who charmed the pants out of all the people who helped.
 
As to the pain medication issue. It’s not as simple as it used to be. In the old days, someone came in in obvious pain, the doctor looked at the patient, verbally “ordered” morphine or something, a nurse walked into a back room where all the morphine was kept in an unlocked draw, he or she grabbed one, went back outside and gave it to the patient.

Well, it doesn’t always work that way anymore! 😵‍💫🤕

Now, a doctor has to fully assess the patient including allergies, medical history, symptoms, etc, because they are liable for their actions, and are obligated to treat correctly, even when circumstances are urgent or emergent. Controlled substances are highly regulated, and dispensed electronically. Once a doctor orders a medication, in all but the most dire emergencies, a pharmacist has to approve it, and set the electronic dispensary so that a nurse can actually get it out, and leave other duties to actually administer it to the patient. All this takes a bit of time.

To the comment that was made yesterday about the appearance of a bunch of ER staff sitting around doing nothing. I have actually experienced that myself as a parent in a children’s hospital, although it was actually a group of nursing students (who looked like nurses) who were like deer in the headlights afraid I would ask them something they didn’t know the answer to. It did bother me, though, that nobody offered to help me when I was looking for help, and I made sure to teach my own DD who became a nursing student later to offer help then figure out the answer afterward, etc.

But playing devil’s advocate, everyone knows that electronic documentation has become the norm over the past decade or so. Some institutions are still relatively new at it. As someone who spent decades documenting on paper, then moving over to documenting everything electronically, I can tell you, it’s all encompassing and completely overwhelming at times trying to keep up. And we all know how important correct documentation is. In somewhere like an ER (and anywhere, really), things are supposed to be documented in real time, ie as they happen. Try doing that with seven patients who all need you pretty badly! Often nurses are torn between giving physical care, and documenting what is happening. I know for myself, I try to document in rooms when I’m in there, but sometimes I have to sit outside the room to document, and I often wonder if patients think I’m sitting around doing nothing. (So I wish! Never happens!) I also have to perform other duties on an iPhone, and I wonder the same thing about whether people think I’m texting my friends or posting on Facebook. (I’m not!) So appearances can be deceiving. Very few ER nurses are going to say they sit around and chew the fat for very long, unless they work in a small ER that’s quiet (not sure how many of those there are) or they happen to have a rare lull. I remember one Saturday morning having a rare lull in the ER where I worked. It was nice, with a bunch of us, for once, sitting drinking coffee. Until the moment we heard commotion at the ambulance bay, and a car-full of people had dropped a dead body off at the door, then took off! We immediately had to jump up, get the person into the trauma room, get an IV in, then give Narcan, which thankfully brought the person back. Unfinished coffee cups sat cold on the desk for the rest of the day.

Not making excuses for anyone, because as I’ve said, I’ve been both a staff person and a patient and family member, so I’ve been on both sides. I’ve also had some horrible and distressing medical visits and hospital stays myself that deeply disturbed me, so I do understand. I’m just trying to help people understand a little of what goes on behind the scenes.
 
Yes this is very true. So EMTALA made it so that true Emergency Departments cannot turn away a patient due to payment status. This goes for mothers in labor and anyone else. The ED will have to triage you, stabilize you, then they can look into transferring you if needed (i.e. say you're in a hospital that is not in-network with your insurance, well that could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills that would end up patient responsibility).

Back before EMTALA the emergency department could turn you away and tell you to go to another hospital which meant some true emergencies could be dying or getting worst in transit to the other facility. EMTALA also doesn't stop the hospital from billing patients so if they really can't afford it they could end up going to collections or getting sued depending on the hospital.

The medical field is honestly a mess lol!
And in some cases, such as where I work, a patient cannot be turned away at all.
 
Yes, and that's why we're all telling the truth ... but are telling different stories. Not every hospital has equal rooms, equipment and workers. Not every day is equally full.
It is where I work. Rarely under 100%+ capacity. True of many hospitals around me.
 
Hey, being pregnant doesn't always get you through faster. One of my children was born in Triage. Seriously! They didn't believe me when I told them how far along I was, and they ignored my emphatic demands to take me straight to Delivery. Thought I was being hysterical. They put me into the biggest room /in a bed with no wheels, and -- yep -- they got to deliver my baby in Triage.
A page back I described staying overnight in the hospital a month ago ... my story was almost identical: went in with pain in the left arm /radiating down the left arm ... except, unlike you, I was not sure it wasn't my heart, so I welcomed being hooked up to those heart monitors. I now have evidence that my heart is not only good, it's excellent. And I know all about pinched nerves.
Yes, and that's why we're all telling the truth ... but are telling different stories. Not every hospital has equal rooms, equipment and workers. Not every day is equally full.
Holy cow! Blood sugar can be that high? Yes, nurses are the backbone of the hospital system -- trust them more than you trust your doctors.

Another didn't-know-he-was-diabetic story: One of my students -- a healthy-looking high school junior -- was asking to go to the rest room constantly in the class before mine. He'd ask at the beginning, and he'd ask again at the end of the 90 minutes -- he wasn't asking in my class, but mine was a "split class", so he had lunch mid-way through. The other teacher thought he was "taking advantage" and called his mom. At first his mom bristled, saying, "My kid isn't a liar." And he IS a great kid -- I adore him. But then the mom, who is a nurse, started asking questions: "How much are you drinking each day? Do you really need to urinate that often?" She tested his blood sugar and found he was in the 800s (I thought that was incredibly high, which is why your number, EveDallas, shocked me.) She immediately had him admitted to the hospital, where he was diagnosed as a Diabetic. Mom felt guilty that, as a nurse, she hadn't noted the signs -- and the teacher wasn't thinking Diabetes; she was thinking he was smoking in the boys' room or meeting friends -- you know, goofing off, as kids will do. Later she called the teacher, apologized for her previous attitude, and thanked her for putting her on the trail to the truth. This is why people need to pay attention and listen to one another!

but it can be another medical problem I was drinking my weight in water in 2018 and the only reason why my mom and I sought medical attention is because I was flying out in 10 days come to find out I had a massive kidney stone the guy that removed it surgically could not believe the size
 
Holy cow! Blood sugar can be that high? Yes, nurses are the backbone of the hospital system -- trust them more than you trust your doctors.

Another didn't-know-he-was-diabetic story: One of my students -- a healthy-looking high school junior -- was asking to go to the rest room constantly in the class before mine. He'd ask at the beginning, and he'd ask again at the end of the 90 minutes -- he wasn't asking in my class, but mine was a "split class", so he had lunch mid-way through. The other teacher thought he was "taking advantage" and called his mom. At first his mom bristled, saying, "My kid isn't a liar." And he IS a great kid -- I adore him. But then the mom, who is a nurse, started asking questions: "How much are you drinking each day? Do you really need to urinate that often?" She tested his blood sugar and found he was in the 800s (I thought that was incredibly high, which is why your number, EveDallas, shocked me.) She immediately had him admitted to the hospital, where he was diagnosed as a Diabetic. Mom felt guilty that, as a nurse, she hadn't noted the signs -- and the teacher wasn't thinking Diabetes; she was thinking he was smoking in the boys' room or meeting friends -- you know, goofing off, as kids will do. Later she called the teacher, apologized for her previous attitude, and thanked her for putting her on the trail to the truth. This is why people need to pay attention and listen to one another!

Yes, it was very scary. He was in a coma for two days and his doctors weren't sure if he would even pull through because he was so little. Easily the worst experience of my life. But he's a fighter and made it.
 
The only time I was in the ER for myself I waited a couple of hours, but not terrible. I had a chest x-ray and was told nothing was wrong with me, go home. I went to a primary care Dr the next day, they re-read the same x-ray from the day before and told me I had pneumonia. They were pretty mad at the ER people.

I took my kid once and we waited forever. She threw up on me during our wait, and DH had to get me a new set of clothes. Eventually they just sent us home.

I also took DH once, waited for over 7 hours for one x-ray and a couple of stitches. Should have gone to an urgent care.

Every experience I have had with urgent care is 100x better than all of the above. Honestly, unless I believe I am going to die, I will go to urgent care first next time. They will have to force to me to go an ER instead.

I pick urgent care these days, it's 70 vs 300 and they actually DO something there.
 
What you don't know is what other patients are currently being seen due to their triage status. I've only gone to a hospital ER for myself once and that was in an ambulance and that's when I dislocated my kneecap and fell and dislocated my ankle and fractured my fibula. I was seen right away because of risk of blood flow being cut off to the foot by the ankle dislocation. I didn't have that issue but I'm sure I was put ahead of someone sitting in the waiting room with a sprain or needing a few stitches. Otherwise, we go to the local emergency/urgent care center which is run by the medical system (INOVA) as is our hospital. We've gone there for less serious issues for me (once with tachycardia that in the long run ended up being related to gall stones) and for DH for a couple of minor issues (flu test and large splinter removal from his foot and back strain-he couldn't walk or move much). That location is never as busy and they do lots of stitches, minor breaks, other things that don't need a higher level ER. If needed, they can transport from there. Too many people use the ER as their Dr which I've seen a couple of times. Sore throats, coughs, etc that really don't require emergency care, but they clog up the system in the hospital.
 
A couple of years ago I spent 10+ hours in the ER and never did get a room. All my care was in the waiting room except when I went to the lab for a blood draw and had an ultrasound somewhere in the hospital. We knew what was wrong from really early on and two doctors met with me in the waiting room. I ended up being admitted that evening. Two days later I was back in the same ER, this time late at night. After waiting two to three hours I did get a room.

I was at that hospital (several hours from home) because my dad was having a pretty major surgery that first day. He was in the hospital for two weeks and I just hung out with him while he recovered. My mother-in-law came to take care of me, mainly making sure I ate and didn’t do too much. It’s pretty funny looking back at it now but at the time either of us could have died.
 
I went to the ED with what we later determined to be kidney stones. The wait was so long that I passed the stones and signed myself out. My thoughts were if I was no longer in excruciating pain I no longer needed to be there.

For those of you with kids, check to see if any hospitals in your network have pediatric EDs. In my experience, the waits are minimal and the staff is great with kids. The level of care is worth driving 15-20 extra minutes in my area.
 
Yes, it was very scary. He was in a coma for two days and his doctors weren't sure if he would even pull through because he was so little. Easily the worst experience of my life. But he's a fighter and made it.
I am sure that was the worst experience of your life! Such a small child.
What you don't know is what other patients are currently being seen due to their triage status.
Very fair statement: we don't know what's going on with other patients.
A couple of years ago I spent 10+ hours in the ER and never did get a room.
Outrageous.
 
Our local hospital normally has minimal waits for ER, other than at covid times as I mentioned earlier. My parents made several trips to the ER and were seen promptly, as well as my husband. I had to wait in the car when I had covid but not more than about 30 minutes.

I do know some patients take priority. I took a friend to the hospital with stroke symptoms. It is my understanding that stroke protocol requires being triaged within 10 minutes of arrival. unfortunately he eventually passed away, but at least we can’t blame delayed care on the part of the hospital.

My brother went into cardiac arrest and had to be shocked several times to restart his heart. They had him in a room upon arrival because he had to be placed on life supports. I’m grateful that they have a system in place to treat people according to severity of symptoms or he might not have made it. He has made a full recovery.
 





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