Let's speculate about Polynesian some more!

[walt34]

Why is the email a mistake but the statement not one?

The statement at the meeting might well have been a mistake, BeachClub2014 made a good argument for this, too.

It's still surprising for two reasons: one, they must have expected the question, so why freestyle the answer? two, if a manager accidentally causes a lot of confusion (and there have been articles written about it, guides must have gotten hundreds of questions), the expected reaction would be to release a statement, that Chang's answer was misinterpreted and she only wanted to say that the Poly2 tower stands next to the Poly resort.

Still, a mistake seems most likely.

 

[BeachClub2014]

The statement at the meeting might well have been a mistake, BeachClub2014 made a good argument for this, too.

It's still surprising for two reasons: one, they must have expected the question, so why freestyle the answer? two, if a manager accidentally causes a lot of confusion (and there have been articles written about it, guides must have gotten hundreds of questions), the expected reaction would be to release a statement, that Chang's answer was misinterpreted and she only wanted to say that the Poly2 tower stands next to the Poly resort.

Still, a mistake seems most likely.

Yeah, I dunno about that. I'm no public relations whiz, by any stretch, but I don't see the upside for DVC to inject itself into an internet debate over a vague response at the Q&A. Better to say nothing sometimes.

Interestingly enough, none of the articles you mention (assuming they are the same ones that I have seen) have any official statements or attributions from DVC in them. They just report what Yvonne said in the Q&A. I think there may be some confirmation bias going on with Yvonne's response.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

I'm content with where my points are so no mistakes either It's why I didn't jump on the buy Poly resale now before it shoots up bandwagon. Like I said beforehand, until I see it written on paper and filed, I'm not purchasing anything regarding Poly. Not like I'm really in a position to anyways or have a need for it for the time being

Maybe lots of people should wait to buy until 2042 when so much could change again!

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

If they just add Poly tower to the trust, then PVB owners won’t have any more rights to it than any other owners.

If they decided to make it part of the resort property for PVB, but create a different vacation plan for it…meaning it is added to the trust as resort property and part of the trust assocation and not part of the PVBcondo assocation…just the property…then I do believe they can structure it to lock out PVB owners until 7 months,

The contracts do allow them to add more units to a property and never sell them…or, as I said, put those units into a different plan…but, while I believe they can make it work, I no longer see them doing it.

I see them skipping a connection to PVB altogher.

"then I do believe they can structure it to lock out PVB owners until 7 months,"

And likewise, Tower Trust "owners" would NOT have 11-mo advantage to PVB, YES? Or No?

 

[KimMcGowan]

Still…she could have just said “we will address the Polynesian Tower later”.

 

[Sandisw]

"then I do believe they can structure it to lock out PVB owners until 7 months,"

And likewise, Tower Trust "owners" would NOT have 11-mo advantage to PVB, YES? Or No?

I do not currently see any way for trust owners to get access to any resort property at current resorts before the 7 month window for trading through BVTC

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

I do not currently see any way for trust owners to get access to any resort property at current resorts before the 7 month window for trading through BVTC

Thanks. That makes sense.

 

[Sandisw]

Still…she could have just said “we will address the Polynesian Tower later”.

She absolutely could have. But I think her comment was off the cuff enough, given the actual words, and what we now know, that I think it needs to be viewed with caution.

Again, why not put in a slide to address it if the purpose was to unofficially announce the decision at a very public event?

It doesn’t make sense. And while I realize the responses I got may not be from Changs office, they still should have been able to say”, yes, there was a question asked and Yvonne answered it” even if they didn’t say what she said.

Or, why even add “our plan right now is…” when they didn’t use it for VGF, or the cabins.

Until I see it confirmed via official documents. Especially now the trust is a go, I would tell anyone to take what was said with a big grain of salt.

I definitely wouldn’t buy PVB right now with the assumption it’s been confirmed

 

[KimMcGowan]

I definitely wouldn’t buy PVB right now with the assumption it’s been confirmed

On that we agree 100%!

 

[emchen]

At first maybe, but in practice probably not....

You're assuming all the resorts will have equal desirability. As soon as some resorts are less desirable than others, the trust owners will all reserve there during the 11 month window (if that's how this goes), and leave their resorts that they didn't want to stay in available at 7 months.

Think of it like AKV Kilimanjaro/Value units. They are tough to get at 11 months for owners, they are impossible to get at 7 months for non-owners. This trend I think would be exacerbated because the trust users would gobble up the in-demand/desirable rooms since they get a 4 month advantage, even though their ability to do so might be based on an undesirable property.

It’ll all balance out in the end as long as they don’t “double sell” points.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

It’ll all balance out in the end as long as they don’t “double sell” points.

If they give the trust priority for all resorts in the trust, it will make it nearly impossible for direct owners of non-trust points to get into the trust properties at peak times (presumably both holidays and low point seasons) and generally difficult to get many consecutive days-- so far I like my home direct properties (and my resale properties, lol) better than anywhere being discussed as a current possibility of the trust, but I think owners may be annoyed if they paid direct for RIV/VDH (or anywhere else) with the promise of access to future resorts, only to have a hard time practically booking more than 1-2 consecutive nights at the newer properties (if they all go into trust). I personally will be unhappy if the build a new resort next to the front of Epcot and I can't use my 350 direct points there at least some of the time.

 

[Sandisw]

If they give the trust priority for all resorts in the trust, it will make it nearly impossible for direct owners of non-trust points to get into the trust properties at peak times (presumably both holidays and low point seasons) and generally difficult to get many consecutive days-- so far I like my home direct properties (and my resale properties, lol) better than anywhere being discussed as a current possibility of the trust, but I think owners may be annoyed if they paid direct for RIV/VDH (or anywhere else) with the promise of access to future resorts, only to have a hard time practically booking more than 1-2 consecutive nights at the newer properties (if they all go into trust). I personally will be unhappy if the build a new resort next to the front of Epcot and I can't use my 350 direct points there at least some of the time.

Well, I think there will always be a chance to get things at 7 months and at least as a direct owner of points you have the possibility.

Resale you don’t even get a chance. And, if some direct owners at current resorts trade into trust, it leaves other resorts open.

But 7 month trading has gotten a lot harder over the past 5 years or more.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Well, I think there will always be a chance to get things at 7 months and at least as a direct owner of points you have the possibility.

Resale you don’t even get a chance. And, if some direct owners at current resorts trade into trust, it leaves other resorts open.

But 7 month trading has gotten a lot harder over the past 5 years or more.

I can't speak to how things have changed since I'm a new(ish) member, but we've done OK with getting one or two nights here and there off a waitlist within 7m, but it's very hard to string more than a few nights together. If the trust happens, I think it will make the exact 7m mark harder, but probably still sporadic availability as people change plans and release reservations closer to travel dates.

 

[Nabas]

I can't speak to how things have changed since I'm a new(ish) member, but we've done OK with getting one or two nights here and there off a waitlist within 7m, but it's very hard to string more than a few nights together. If the trust happens, I think it will make the exact 7m mark harder, but probably still sporadic availability as people change plans and release reservations closer to travel dates.

Same with us, and we’ve been DVC members for a long time.

We have flexibility on our travel dates and rarely stay more than 4 nights on any one trip. We also don’t mind doing a split stay.

But it’s always been tough getting 7 nights in a Studio at the more popular resorts (e.g. BCV, BWV, etc.) at 7 months.

And for the most popular times of the year (e.g. early December) it can a challenge to get a Studio at 11 months.

The summer months, August in particular, seem to be the easiest.

 

[Sandisw]

I can't speak to how things have changed since I'm a new(ish) member, but we've done OK with getting one or two nights here and there off a waitlist within 7m, but it's very hard to string more than a few nights together. If the trust happens, I think it will make the exact 7m mark harder, but probably still sporadic availability as people change plans and release reservations closer to travel dates.

It very well could. Just wanted to share that even without doing what they have done, it’s been harder.

But, resale owners are being kicked out of the newer places and as that continued to happen, it will take out all of those points as well.

So, every time someone buys SSR on the resale market, those points can no longer trade at 7 months into trust resorts.

That alone will help to keep things from changing for a while!

 

[kimberwee]

Well, I just submitted an offer on a PVB resale because it was a good deal and we already own a resale at PVB, which was bought before restrictions were put in place - going to think positively and hope things follow the VGF expansion format. We know we will need more points in the future, as DD is older now and wanting to bring friends on trips, and we even considered buying direct. Going to hold on to the majority of the funds we were willing to commit for the possible trust coming.
Pray for my sanity

***Offer was rejected so no need to worry about what PVB Tower is doing yet...***

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Well, I just submitted an offer on a PVB resale because it was a good deal and we already own a resale at PVB, which was bought before restrictions were put in place - going to think positively and hope things follow the VGF expansion format. We know we will need more points in the future, as DD is older now and wanting to bring friends on trips, and we even considered buying direct. Going to hold on to the majority of the funds we were willing to commit for the possible trust coming.
Pray for my sanity

***Offer was rejected so no need to worry about what PVB Tower is doing yet...***

My guess is that most sellers are going to hold out for pricing that assumes it’s a combined association at least for the next several weeks. I feel it would be irresponsible to buy assuming it’s a single association but also completely understand why if you’re selling you want to keep your price higher unless/until you learn it’s combined.

We personally might prefer PVB if it’s *not* combined the more I think about it…but I recognize the majority of the DVC market wants access to the shiny new tower.

 

[kimberwee]

My guess is that most sellers are going to hold out for pricing that assumes it’s a combined association at least for the next several weeks. I feel it would be irresponsible to buy assuming it’s a single association but also completely understand why if you’re selling you want to keep your price higher unless/until you learn it’s combined.

We personally might prefer PVB if it’s *not* combined the more I think about it…but I recognize the majority of the DVC market wants access to the shiny new tower.

To me, if it has already been announced as part of the existing association (which I confirmed with our DVC guide), I would be hard pressed to believe it wouldn't be, however, I do still wonder if it will also be categorized as new construction and fall into that resale restriction. Time will tell.

 

[DonMacGregor]

To me, if it has already been announced as part of the existing association (which I confirmed with our DVC guide), I would be hard pressed to believe it wouldn't be, however, I do still wonder if it will also be categorized as new construction and fall into that resale restriction. Time will tell.

You should give your guide’s name to @Sandisw LOL.

 

[Sandisw]

You should give your guide’s name to @Sandisw LOL.

Actually, I’d love it!