latest Thomas Sowell column - gay marriage

[Bichon Barb]

I guess I don't understand why it needs to be changed when there are other methods for same-sex couples to get health care, financial and property administration rights. Lobby your representatives to create new laws that allow that to happen. However, it seems much easier to change it at the top and then have everything else fall in place once the definition is redefined without regard to those that believe that marriage is between one man and one woman.

Because it is something that the gay community is requesting, and I can completely understand their reasons. I'm not homophobic, so it's no sweat off my back. Actually, I think that it's a not only a positive for gays, it's a postive for society. A win/win kind of thing.

If one of my sons is gay and wants to marry in the future, I hope he will be able to do so--especially if he and his partner would like to adopt children. And I hope that he will be treated by society with caring and respect and not like some kind of deviant.

BTW, I'm a firm believer that homosexuality and heterosexuality are in the genes--even though no link has yet been found. Just think, it wasn't that long ago that people believed that schizophrenia was caused by a child being dropped on it's head and such nonsense.

Open your minds (and your hearts)people.

 

[GaryAdams]

http://www.narth.com/docs/triplets.html

Have fun...want more? Just ask!

ok lets start here,

Study is based upon one monozygotic set; homosexual triplet scores more towards the female direction than do his heterosexual cotriplets

1 case study? thats not really helping yea too much.

December 29, 2004 - Dr. Scott Hersherger and associate researcher Dr. Nancy L. Segal have published a study in Archives of Sexual Behavior (Vol. 33, No. 5, October 2004; pp. 497-514), wherein they suggest a possible prenatal, neuro-hormonal influence upon sexual orientation in some men.

"possible" come on,its "possible" that aliens built the pyramids.im sure theres "1" case study out there saying it.

Their conclusions in the case of the triplets studied, though, remain highly tentative, given that little is understood as to how monozygotic triplets would have been exposed to differing hormonal levels - and as to whether, in fact, this occurred in this particular case. Accordingly, Hersherger leads off his discussion with the disclaimer that, "It is impossible to determine the precise blend of causal factors eventuating in discordant sexual preferences among this MZ male triplet set."

thats not good, ever your own artical says the study is "highly tentive"

The results of this body of research, Hershberger and Segal conclude, suggest that genes, brain anatomy, and prenatal sex hormones influence (but do not necessarily determine) sexual orientation in men.

ok,now this is starting to get funny,even the 2 people who did the study are saying that it might not necessarily determine sexual orientation.
perhaps you may want to rethink your use of this study to try and prove being gay is genetic.

i will stop here with this link.i figure 3 strikes and your out kinda fits.


on a side note, i found this page from your link too.

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

In its effort to present homosexuality as normal, the homosexual movement[1] turned to science in an attempt to prove three major premises:

Homosexuality is genetic or innate;
Homosexuality is irreversible;
Since animals engage in same-sex sexual behavior, homosexuality is natural.
Keenly aware of its inability to prove the first two premises,[2] the homosexual movement pins its hopes on the third, animal homosexuality.[3]

Thanks i did have fun,i really laughed at this article,and your attempt to prove something.

 

[dmadman43]

So people choose to be gay? Please tell me that you honestly think that is true...please, please, please!

I didn't say that. I said there is no definitive proof that homosexuality is genetic like race is. I can't can't answer if people choose to be gay. You might want to ask Anne Heche her opinion.

One would have to also explain bi-sexuality to me before I could definitively rule out homosexuality being purely genetic.

 

[dmadman43]

Failed to answer the question again dmadman

Remind me again. What was the question? If heterosexual same sex couples should also be allowed to marry?

 

[dmadman43]

BTW, I'm a firm believer that homosexuality and heterosexuality are in the genes--even though no link has yet been found. Just think, it wasn't that long ago that people believed that schizophrenia was caused by a child being dropped on it's head and such nonsense.

Open your minds (and your hearts)people.

And not long ago people believed the world was flat. Thankfully, we can't base science on belief.

 

[dmadman43]

http://www.narth.com/docs/triplets.html

Have fun...want more? Just ask!

http://www.queerbychoice.com/

have fun...want more? Just ask!

 

[Lebjwb]

ok lets start here,



1 case study? thats not really helping yea too much.




"possible" come on,its "possible" that aliens built the pyramids.im sure theres "1" case study out there saying it.




thats not good, ever your own artical says the study is "highly tentive"



ok,now this is starting to get funny,even the 2 people who did the study are saying that it might not necessarily determine sexual orientation.
perhaps you may want to rethink your use of this study to try and prove being gay is genetic.

i will stop here with this link.i figure 3 strikes and your out kinda fits.


on a side note, i found this page from your link too.

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html



Thanks i did have fun,i really laughed at this article,and your attempt to prove something.

And if you had taken the time to read my post I said that I'd be happy to supply more. You don't like that article there are plenty more. And your "attempt" at brushing aside a significant portion of the population because of your prejudices is meaningless to me, as are your jaded opinions.

As I stated before, twice, gay marriage is going to be an accepted part of our society and there is nothing you are going to be able to do about it.

I've better things to do then listen to you and yours spew your bigotry.

 

[dmadman43]

http://www.narth.com/docs/triplets.html

Have fun...want more? Just ask!

This is rich! From the first paragraph if the "study"

(emphasis added)

December 29, 2004 - Dr. Scott Hersherger and associate researcher Dr. Nancy L. Segal have published a study in Archives of Sexual Behavior (Vol. 33, No. 5, October 2004; pp. 497-514), wherein they suggest a possible prenatal, neuro-hormonal influence upon sexual orientation in some men.

Hershberger believes it is possible that "pre-natal exposure to an opposite-sex hormonal environment may lead the nervous system to develop in a manner consistent with the opposite sex

Boy, that sure sounds like a definitive analysis to me.

And this:

The results of this body of research, Hershberger and Segal conclude, suggest that genes, brain anatomy, and prenatal sex hormones influence (but do not necessarily determine) sexual orientation in men.

That certainly removes all doubt, doesn't it?

 

[Lebjwb]

You presume quite a bit. You might be surprised to know:

I grew up in a community with a 30% black population. Went to school with them, played sports & band with them. I now live in a community that is about 40% Hispanic. I teach their kids, I go to church with them, & consider some of them my good friends. I have three interracial couples in my family. When we get together for holidays, birthdays, etc., literally half of us are black. My youngest DD dated an Hispanic for about a year.

Fear, lack of exposure? Try again.



If you'll look back, I never said interracial marriages hurt morality. I just wondered if it played a part in the high divorce rate.

FYI, I love Condi Rice! I wish she'd run for President. She'd get my vote!

Your daughter sounds like a great kid. I'm glad you have a family you are proud of.

I love your use of "Them" and "Their" and that great line "Some of them are my good friends" How inclusive! Language that divides. Us and Them. Nice

 

[dmadman43]

And if you had taken the time to read my post I said that I'd be happy to supply more. You don't like that article there are plenty more. And your "attempt" at brushing aside a significant portion of the population because of your prejudices is meaningless to me, as are your jaded opinions.

As I stated before, twice, gay marriage is going to be an accepted part of our society and there is nothing you are going to be able to do about it.

I've better things to do then listen to you and yours spew your bigotry.

Please provide studies that are deviod of the words, "suggest", "possible", "may", "perhaps", and the like. Thanks!

 

[frozone]

You presume quite a bit. You might be surprised to know:

I grew up in a community with a 30% black population. Went to school with them, played sports & band with them. I now live in a community that is about 40% Hispanic. I teach their kids, I go to church with them, & consider some of them my good friends. I have three interracial couples in my family. When we get together for holidays, birthdays, etc., literally half of us are black. My youngest DD dated an Hispanic for about a year.

You're right I did presume quite a bit. Congratulations. Now imagine how tolerant you'd be if literally half of your family was queer.

Peace out.

 

[Bichon Barb]

I love your use of "Them" and "Their" and that great line "Some of them are my good friends" How inclusive! Language that divides. Us and Them. Nice

I was thinking the same thing Lebjwb.

dmadman, I don't think the folks who are gay and bi because they want more "sexual opportunities" are the ones looking to get a marriage license. But even if they'd like one, that's fine by me. Heck, we let swingers get married. Then there is the...how shall I say this without getting in trouble or burning anyone elses reading it...the lesbian experience within a marriage? No one is asking those married couples to rescind their marriage.

 

[GaryAdams]

And if you had taken the time to read my post I said that I'd be happy to supply more. You don't like that article there are plenty more. And your "attempt" at brushing aside a significant portion of the population because of your prejudices is meaningless to me, as are your jaded opinions.

As I stated before, twice, gay marriage is going to be an accepted part of our society and there is nothing you are going to be able to do about it.

I've better things to do then listen to you and yours spew your bigotry.

ironic how you call me a bigot. seems to me your the one who is so closed minded about me having a view other then yours.
funny how you too brush aside a significant portion of the population because they dont feel the same as you on gay issues.

dont get so mad because your first link didnt turn out the way you liked, feel free to provide another.
i dont mind waiting for this supposed proof that homosexuality is genetic.


BTW,I have no problem with someone making a lifestyle choice.

 

[jimmiej]

I love your use of "Them" and "Their" and that great line "Some of them are my good friends" How inclusive! Language that divides. Us and Them. Nice

I'd love for your to show me how I should have worded my post to be more racially sensitive. You too, Bichon Barb.

 

[jimmiej]

You're right I did presume quite a bit. Congratulations. Now imagine how tolerant you'd be if literally half of your family was queer.

Peace out.

I never said I was intolerant of interracial couples. You assumed.

Actually, I work with several gay people.

 

[dmadman43]

I was thinking the same thing Lebjwb.

dmadman, I don't think the folks who are gay and bi because they want more "sexual opportunities" are the ones looking to get a marriage license. But even if they'd like one, that's fine by me. Heck, we let swingers get married. Then there is the...how shall I say this without getting in trouble or burning anyone elses reading it...the lesbian experience within a marriage? No one is asking those married couples to rescind their marriage.

Don't misunderstand. I'm for gay marriage. I was just addressing the point of homosexuality being genetic. If the gay community is basing their discrimination argument on that, then it is risky.

 

[Bichon Barb]

I never said I was intolerant of interracial couples. You assumed.

Actually, I work with several gay people.

Just curious. What would lead you to believe that mixed marriages might be more likely to end up in divorce?

 

[Bichon Barb]

You presume quite a bit. You might be surprised to know:

I grew up in a community with a 30% black population. Went to school with them, played sports & band with them. I now live in a community that is about 40% Hispanic. I teach their kids, I go to church with them, & consider some of them my good friends. I have three interracial couples in my family. When we get together for holidays, birthdays, etc., literally half of us are black. My youngest DD dated an Hispanic for about a year.

Fear, lack of exposure? Try again.



If you'll look back, I never said interracial marriages hurt morality. I just wondered if it played a part in the high divorce rate.

FYI, I love Condi Rice! I wish she'd run for President. She'd get my vote!

Your daughter sounds like a great kid. I'm glad you have a family you are proud of.

I grew up in a community where 30 percent of the population was black. The schools were not segregated. I now live in a community where 40 percent of the population is hispanic, many of whom I call my friends. Some are my students. We go to church together....

???

 

[Bichon Barb]

Bye guys. I'm done for the evening. I've just been informed that the husband is starting "The Cronicles of Riddick". Oh joy. Another action movie.

Have a good night everyone.

 

[simpilotswife]

Has anyone noticed that no one has yet answered the question "How will allowing homosexuals to marry affect your own marriage?"? I'd really love to hear a coherent response to this question.

In case anyone was wondering I checked the definition of homophobic at Merriam-Webster Online and this is what it said:

Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

I would say that some of the posts on this thread qualify as homophobic according to this definition.