Las Vegas Shooting

[mefordis]

I was referring to all the discussion posts in this thread only, how it morphed into Kinder Eggs discussion

Oh, sorry. I misread your post.

 

[nd5056]

Oh, sorry. I misread your post.

It was misleading without quoting what I was replying to as well...

 

[Magpie]

Which has what to do with what’s being discussed? Are you implying he’s feeding the media for votes?

What I saw was a very, very exhausted man who was being pounded with the same question over and over, day after day. It felt to me like he cracked a little bit. Should he have? No, absolutely not. His personal thoughts should have never entered the equation. At least not out loud and not to the public. And while I don’t excuse that I’m not going to throw him under the bus either.

Oh gosh, no, nothing like that. Just that he's not solely a "law enforcement official", has different duties from the guys actually doing the investigating (from what I've just been reading, the role of a sheriff is typically uncoupled from the law enforcement side of things), and may not necessarily always be thinking like a professional. He's more like the public face of the department, setting policy direction, etc.

I don't blame him at all for "cracking". It's a horrible situation.

I do feel bad, though, about the direction some folks in the media have run with his statement... When you google "killer didn't act alone" the top result right now is this:
"Las Vegas shooting: Stephen Paddock did not act alone, Marilou Danley wanted by police"

Awful headline!

 

[wenrob]

Oh gosh, no, nothing like that. Just that he's not solely a "law enforcement official", has different duties from the guys actually doing the investigating (from what I've just been reading, the role of a sheriff is typically uncoupled from the law enforcement side of things), and may not necessarily always be thinking like a professional.

I don't blame him at all for "cracking". It's a horrible situation.

I do feel bad, though, about the direction some folks in the media have run with his statement... When you google "killer didn't act alone" the top result right now is this:
"Las Vegas shooting: Stephen Paddock did not act alone, Marilou Danley wanted by police"

My apologies. I admit I’m sensitive about the whole thing and feel pretty protective of our law enforcement right now.

Yeah, I agree, they ran with it. The Commissioner was none too happy either. He struck out at the media but no doubt he was upset with the Sheriff. I wouldn’t doubt there’s an apology/correction forthcoming.

I’m really worried about the Sheriff’s health. He looks and sounds worse at every conference. I can’t even begin to imagine the amount of pressure he’s under.

 

[nd5056]

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When you google "killer didn't act alone" the top result right now is this:
"Las Vegas shooting: Stephen Paddock did not act alone, Marilou Danley wanted by police"

Awful headline!

Have you seen this??!!

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Citing a “knowledgeable source”, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reports Paddock also fired on aviation tanks containing highly flammable fuel at the airport across from the Mandalay Bay Resort.

Bullet holes have been discovered in the two circular white tanks, the news outlet stated, but did not manage to penetrate them completely.
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[Magpie]

Have you seen this??!!

So?

What's your point?

 

[nd5056]

So?

What's your point?

First time i learned about this, I wonder if he was trying to create distraction as part of his escape plan.

 

[Magpie]

First time i learned about this, I wonder if he was trying to create distraction as part of his escape plan.

Could've been. Could've been the reason he chose that particular location.

Could also have just been stray bullets, especially considering how many he was firing.

Edited to add: Wouldn't have been a very good plan, in any case, considering it's apparently quite difficult to explode a tank of fuel by shooting at it (despite what we see in movies). And also, the hotel immediately went into lockdown, shutting down the elevators and deactivating keycard access to the stairwells.

 

[Albort]

anyone been reading reports that there are more shooters than just one? im not sure if that was brought up already.

 

[Hikergirl]

anyone been reading reports that there are more shooters than just one? im not sure if that was brought up already.

Reports from law enforcement officials stating that as fact? No.
Reports from people thinking there were more than one shooter? Yes.

 

[soccerdad72]

anyone been reading reports that there are more shooters than just one? im not sure if that was brought up already.

Just in articles talking about conspiracy theories that are popping up.

 

[msjprincess]

anyone been reading reports that there are more shooters than just one? im not sure if that was brought up already.

It depends on what you mean by "reports".

 

[bcla]

I'm trying to figure out what kind of detection technology exists that could be deployed secretly without having any type of adverse health effects on those being exposed without their knowledge? An ordinary trip to Vegas could mean an extraordinary amount of daily exposure to this technology by most visitors on a daily basis as they make their way in and out of different resort properties for breakfast, lunch, dinner, drinks, gambling here and then there if the tables or machines are cold, seeing shows, seeing exhibits, shopping, meeting up with friends, retrieving things from your room or dropping off purchases.

Not quite sure. Part of what they're doing is not telling anyone what exact technology is being used.

However, if anyone can pay for that kind of technology, it's Vegas casinos. They have technology to track how many chips someone has at a table, so figuring out something as simple metal in a suitcase can't be that hard. They could even go old-school and just just airport-style X-ray machines.

 

[NYCgrrl]

The sheriff's faux pas to the side, various news agencies, are now reporting that he has been buying guns for approx. 20 years with the bulk of them purchased in one year between 4 or 5 different states. Since there is no national registry of guns there really was no one to realise what he was doing. Further at least one expert said the purchases wouldn't have rung any bells since he had no criminal back ground or known mental health issues.

Something I've thought about for the multiple shootists theorists who wonder how he could possibly have brought that many guns to the suite w/o help. How about large rolling luggage? There are a lot of specialist pieces of luggage that could allow him to bring it into the hotel over several trips. This is only a thought at this point since the hotel's surveillance tapes have not been released and I'm not even sure if they have been fully reviewed by law enforcement.

 

[cabanafrau]

Not quite sure. Part of what they're doing is not telling anyone what exact technology is being used.

However, if anyone can pay for that kind of technology, it's Vegas casinos. They have technology to track how many chips someone has at a table, so figuring out something as simple metal in a suitcase can't be that hard. They could even go old-school and just just airport-style X-ray machines.

Yes, but that wouldn't be secret deployment. It's not as if they can secretly x-ray everyone crossing through the entry portals.

 

[msjprincess]

I read that he had 10 bags in the room. He could easily bring in a couple at a time without anyone noticing. Truthfully even if he brought them all in at once it probably wouldn't raise flags. We're taking about a huge hotel with a huge lobby with thousands of people coming and going. There's nothing unusual about a person entering a hotel with a lot of luggage.

 

[Albort]

It depends on what you mean by "reports".

there is a few interesting one... i think the most interesting one is the 4th floor shooter, there was a video of someone recording the Mandalay Bay, shows flashes from a lower floor. Another video someone pointed out the different sound of the gunshot, one being loud, the other being more distant.

Another is about some shooter on the ground dressed as a security guard. But i totally doubt this claim.

Interesting read though. haha

 

[cabanafrau]

The sheriff's faux pas to the side, various news agencies, are now reporting that he has been buying guns for approx. 20 years with the bulk of them purchased in one year between 4 or 5 different states. Since there is no national registry of guns there really was no one to realise what he was doing. Further at least one expert said the purchases wouldn't have rung any bells since he had no criminal back ground or known mental health issues.

Something I've thought about for the multiple shootists theorists who wonder how he could possibly have brought that many guns to the suite w/o help. How about large rolling luggage? There are a lot of specialist pieces of luggage that could allow him to bring it into the hotel over several trips. This is only a thought at this point since the hotel's surveillance tapes have not been released and I'm not even sure if they have been fully reviewed by law enforcement.

Personally I'm finding the reports of him "buying guns for over 20 years" nothing more than journalistic hype. Considering he had many recent purchases of guns, seemingly at a much greater rate than prior to a year ago, and apparently hadn't used those earlier purchases to attack anyone I think it's much more reasonable to look at the more recent flurry of purchases as indicative of a plan to harm.

Would the luggage have to have been that large to get the guns into his room? Don't many of those weapons break down? Presumably he would have understood how to break them down himself and reassemble them if in fact he purchased and installed these infamous bump stocks that enabled him to commit this atrocity?

 

[nd5056]

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Could also have just been stray bullets, especially considering how many he was firing.
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Perhaps, but he was high up there, technically shooting down across the street...

Totally different angle and he may had yo use a different gun, a long range sniper style one I'm thinking.

 

[msjprincess]

there is a few interesting one... i think the most interesting one is the 4th floor shooter, there was a video of someone recording the Mandalay Bay, shows flashes from a lower floor. Another video someone pointed out the different sound of the gunshot, one being loud, the other being more distant.

Another is about some shooter on the ground dressed as a security guard. But i totally doubt this claim.

Interesting read though. haha

I meant do you mean reports as in something official from law enforcement? Or rumors reported on social media?


If there was a 4th floor shooter why aren't there any broken windows on the 4th floor?