Kiely Rodni missing persons case in Lake Tahoe - body found

[bcla]

How can you say this with any amount of certainty?

Teens are largely not okay right now. The fact that she left ALONE from a party where there was alcohol and drug use is a huge red flag for that. Well adjusted teens tend to stick together and travel in groups/look out for each other. Unless there is some new evidence to prove otherwise, it's still very much a possibility.

I don't find it much of a red flag. She was a local attending some large campground party. Her parents gave her a vehicle to use, so driving home solo was probably not unusual for her. They might have been a bit permissive, especially since they know she was driving that late, although they might not have known that it violated minor driving requirements. Now I rather question whether the US Forest Service would allow this sort of large party without a permit, but then their enforcement can be rather spotty.

I look at the totality. I've been in similar Forest Service campgrounds and they can be difficult to figure out. At night it just looks like you're driving through a bunch of trees.

Also - I'm wondering about the law enforcement response. The Forest Service has limited law enforcement (that concentrates on resource protection enforcement) and often for missing persons they lean on local law enforcement. The Sheriff is based in Grass Valley, which is a good 50+ miles away, although I think they have a station closer to Lake Tahoe. Looked it up and they have an office in Truckee even though Truckee has its own police department.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

How can you say this with any amount of certainty?

Teens are largely not okay right now. The fact that she left ALONE from a party where there was alcohol and drug use is a huge red flag for that. Well adjusted teens tend to stick together and travel in groups/look out for each other. Unless there is some new evidence to prove otherwise, it's still very much a possibility.

I'm sorry I'm not following you

You can make a case for having a DD here if there was alcohol but in what world do you think it makes someone maladjusted if they are ever in a car alone leaving a get together or party? And in what world do you think being the only passenger means you aren't looking out for each other? In fact it's been pretty well documented that the number of passengers in a car increases the distraction factor especially for teens. It's a reason why many areas have rules regarding how many occupants (unusually unrelated/non-relative) and the ages of those occupants.

You're stretching here, really stretching.

 

[Allison]

You're stretching here, really stretching.

Agreed.

 

[DLgal]

I don't find it much of a red flag. She was a local attending some large campground party. Her parents gave her a vehicle to use, so driving home solo was probably not unusual for her. They might have been a bit permissive, especially since they know she was driving that late, although they might not have known that it violated minor driving requirements. Now I rather question whether the US Forest Service would allow this sort of large party without a permit, but then their enforcement can be rather spotty.

I look at the totality. I've been in similar Forest Service campgrounds and they can be difficult to figure out. At night it just looks like you're driving through a bunch of trees.

Also - I'm wondering about the law enforcement response. The Forest Service has limited law enforcement (that concentrates on resource protection enforcement) and often for missing persons they lean on local law enforcement. The Sheriff is based in Grass Valley, which is a good 50+ miles away, although I think they have a station closer to Lake Tahoe. Looked it up and they have an office in Truckee even though Truckee has its own police department.

I was a teen girl. You don't go to party like that alone. You also don't leave from a party alone. It's weird.

 

[bcla]

I was a teen girl. You don't go to party like that alone. You also don't leave from a party alone. It's weird.

That's one hell of a stretch.

 

[mjkacmom]

I was a teen girl. You don't go to party like that alone. You also don't leave from a party alone. It's weird.

I’ve raised 3 teen girls, very social with a ton of close friends who I've spent a lot of time with, the only thing I find odd based on my experience with lots of teen girls is that I don’t know of any that drink and drive, although we live is a suburban/urban area with tons of ride shares. My daughter spent last summer in lake George and she was shocked at how many drank and drove, she believed it was because it was in the boonies. I see this as a tragic accident caused by alcohol, and driving in the dark on unfamiliar roads. When we’d go camping we’d rent a golf cart and driving it around at night could be scary, especially for me who lives in an area with 6 stars in the sky.

 

[Moliphino]

I was a teen girl. You don't go to party like that alone. You also don't leave from a party alone. It's weird.

Huh? She met friends there. Why is it weird to drive yourself if you're able? Sometimes you don't want to rely on someone else to get home.

 

[WEDWDW]

How can you say this with any amount of certainty?

Teens are largely not okay right now. The fact that she left ALONE from a party where there was alcohol and drug use is a huge red flag for that. Well adjusted teens tend to stick together and travel in groups/look out for each other. Unless there is some new evidence to prove otherwise, it's still very much a possibility.

Again just my opinion,but there are no indications she was suicidal,but mountains of indicators she was impaired and she was definitely a young,inexperienced driver.

This quote from her friend is extremely telling:

“I know that she wasn’t in the right mindset or state to drive. And if she were to have driven, she wouldn’t have made it far”

 

[fivikse]

I was a teen girl. You don't go to party like that alone. You also don't leave from a party alone. It's weird.

I don't understand what you mean here at all? I was a teen girl and left many many parties alone. I didn't live with my friends so at some point I was going to be going to my house by myself. How else would anyone ever get home? Not only is my experience completely different from yours, I just don't understand how what you are saying is possible. How would teen girls ever get home to their own homes if no one ever drives alone?

 

[DLgal]

I don't understand what you mean here at all? I was a teen girl and left many many parties alone. I didn't live with my friends so at some point I was going to be going to my house by myself. How else would anyone ever get home? Not only is my experience completely different from yours, I just don't understand how what you are saying is possible. How would teen girls ever get home to their own homes if no one ever drives alone?

I said LEAVING a party like that alone. A party in the middle of nowhere. Obviously at some point you are driving alone if you are the driver.

 

[DLgal]

Again just my opinion,but there are no indications she was suicidal,but mountains of indicators she was impaired and she was definitely a young,inexperienced driver.

This quote from her friend is extremely telling:

“I know that she wasn’t in the right mindset or state to drive. And if she were to have driven, she wouldn’t have made it far”

What a great friend. Why did she let her drive like that then?

There are usually NOT indicators that people are suicidal, especially teens. This is why it always ends up being so shocking when it happens.

I'm just saying it is possible, and the fact that she drove the car right into a lake points that way to me.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

What a great friend. Why did she let her drive like that then?

There are usually NOT indicators that people are suicidal, especially teens. This is why it always ends up being so shocking when it happens.

I'm just saying it is possible, and the fact that she drove the car right into a lake points that way to me.

You're not just saying it's possible. Suicide is but one of the possibilities. However, your reasons you're giving are very weird. You're creating some sort of story arc about teens, about girls, and about mental health. It's just way out there and not at all like what many would consider the norms.

One of her friends say the last she spoke to her was Kiely offering her a ride and this was a few mins before she was last seen.

 

[Allison]

I was a teen girl. You don't go to party like that alone. You also don't leave from a party alone. It's weird.

I did. We all did. You just meet your friends there. Not every time but plenty of times.

 

[bcla]

Huh? She met friends there. Why is it weird to drive yourself if you're able? Sometimes you don't want to rely on someone else to get home.

While she was in violation of rules on time when a minor can drive, she was probably more aware that she wasn't allowed (as a minor with less than 1 year being licensed) to drive or be a passenger with a minor driving unless with an "adult" present.

Still - when I was in high school, having a driver license at 16 meant that you were the cool kid and had a certain status because you could give other kids rides. But at 16 it would have been impossible to have that year where she could have legally driven late and take on younger passengers.

 

[fla4fun]

I was a teen girl. You don't go to party like that alone. You also don't leave from a party alone. It's weird.

I was a teen girl too. I always went to and from parties alone because my parents would not allow me to have other teen passengers before I was 18, and I would have lost all car privileges if I disobeyed. I drove to school, and there was no way I would have risked that for a party. However, I didn’t drink or do drugs (although I knew a few who did), so I didn’t want to ride with a friend who might be impaired either. Not all teens are the same. I never heard of any of my peers getting into accidents as a result of being under the influence. Maybe we were just a boring bunch of kids . . .

I simply don’t see anything unusual in driving alone, and certainly nothing to indicate the outcome was deliberate, based on her being the sole occupant of the vehicle. I don’t know that she would have been any safer traveling with others either. If they were all under the influence of something, we could be mourning the loss of multiple young people instead of only one. Losing one is one too many.

 

[bcla]

I said LEAVING a party like that alone. A party in the middle of nowhere. Obviously at some point you are driving alone if you are the driver.

While it was a campground, her family lived in Truckee which was maybe 6 miles away. Strike that. They lived at the family business, which is a lodge maybe 10 miles away outside of Truckee. However, I don't find it unusual at all that anyone would drive solo. It just doesn't occur to me that it's unusual in any way, and legally she wasn't allowed to take anyone under 20 with her.

 

[DLgal]

While she was in violation of rules on time when a minor can drive, she was probably more aware that she wasn't allowed (as a minor with less than 1 year being licensed) to drive or be a passenger with a minor driving unless with an "adult" present.

Still - when I was in high school, having a driver license at 16 meant that you were the cool kid and had a certain status because you could give other kids rides. But at 16 it would have been impossible to have that year where she could have legally driven late and take on younger passengers.

It seems very strange to get hung up on the legalities of driving late or with other minor passengers at age 16 when she was literally driving under the influence. Doesn't seem like she was overly concerned with any rules to be honest.

When I was a 16 year old in CA and had a license, there were no such rules. The provisional license came later. My friends and I all drove and we took turns driving places depending on whose parents let them use the car each weekend. We never drove to a party in the sticks alone. Ever.

 

[MamaMermaid]

Dang, some of you are armchair detectives huh?

No matter the WHY, this is a super sad case - as are ALL missing persons cases that end similarly. Sheesh. Have some compassion.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

Thank goodness for volunteer organizations who apparently do what the police can't or won't after over 2 weeks.

 

[Allison]

We never drove to a party in the sticks alone. Ever.

We lived in the sticks and far apart from each other so it was the most reasonable option.