Kids on shoulders

[MattRyan]

Warning:

A bit off topic, but since it's being talked about I'll mention what happened at Universal last weekend to us! We were in the handicap section because we had my grandmother in a scooter. The parade crowd control told us that we could sit in front of her on the curb as long as we did not put our feet over a certain point. We complied but about half way through the Mardi Gras parade we hear my grandmother cry out. A man (also with a handicap individual) had fallen on her trying to catch beads! He didn't apologize to her but when I got up to check on her he apologized to me like she wasn't there.

Again, off-topic a bit but your post reminded me of this. Just shows that the specific section for wheelchairs isn't great either. She ended the night by saying "If we have to park that stupid thing somewhere else I don't care! I won't sit in that section again!" She's a feisty old woman!! lol

What are the Universal parades like? I have been there several times but never to a parade.

 

[StitchandPooh'sMom]

Who gave you the right to make judgements about anyone else? I never said anything about pushing my child to the front. In fact, I try to make room for others at the front if possible. And what is up with the derogatory "snowflake" comments that several of you try to make. It is not the first time that term has been mentioned in thus thread by those taking the same stance as you. Do you think it is funny to call kids names? You should really be ashamed of yourself and try looking at yourself in the mirror sometime.

I am not calling kids names. Snowflake refers to the parents and how they perceive their children, not how I see their children. Perhaps you prefer entitled? It has also been used on this thread with good reason.

I am happy to let a child in front if there is room, as I have stated before. But a parent is entitled if they expect others, whether they are kids or adults, to move from their spot so their child who arrived later can see, while at the same time not caring if they block the view of said children and adults. A parent is entitled if they believe Disney revolves only around their children or children in general, so everyone else should fall back to allow these children to experience what their parents have failed to plan for.

People who say they would laugh if they blocked an adult's view or who think people should move to allow children to see when the adults have been waiting for an hour and the child just arrived are entitled. It is not a particularly attractive character trait.

And as far as making judgments, you appear to have the monopoly on that in this thread.

 

[ArwenMarie]

My tale albeit not at Disney but at Sea World:

in my wheelchair, waiting a few minutes for the current crowd to move away form the raining near the sea lions. not once, but twice just as one spot opened up large enough to wheel me closer, it is immediate taken over by someone who basically pushed theior way forward in front of me.

finally, I get to the rail and am there maybe 2 minutes when a little boy CRAWLS OVER my foot rests to stand on the bottom of the rail DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME. by this time I am fed up and tell my husband to push me away as I am obviously invisible. and yes the father gave me a dirty look and a snide remark about how his son deserved to see too. apparently at my expense. considering he apologized to the couple standing next to us as his child pushed through them to get to my spot but I was totally ignored.

so yes by golly it DOES happen and it is either cause a big kerfluffle and risk being kicked out of the park, or be the better person even though your experience is diminished. you'd be surprised how easily you can be shoved out of your spot by sheer mass

People can be rude on the animal trails in AK, like where the tigers are. Some older man with a camera basically stood in front of my little daughter to get his shot. It was unbelievable and yes, I did say something to him.

 

[BugsDaddy]

I am not calling kids names. Snowflake refers to the parents and how they perceive their children, not how I see their children. Perhaps you prefer entitled? It has also been used on this thread with good reason.

I am happy to let a child in front if there is room, as I have stated before. But a parent is entitled if they expect others, whether they are kids or adults, to move from their spot so their child who arrived later can see, while at the same time not caring if they block the view of said children and adults. A parent is entitled if they believe Disney revolves only around their children or children in general, so everyone else should fall back to allow these children to experience what their parents have failed to plan for.

People who say they would laugh if they blocked an adult's view or who think people should move to allow children to see when the adults have been waiting for an hour and the child just arrived are entitled. It is not a particularly attractive character trait.

And as far as making judgments, you appear to have the monopoly on that in this thread.

So, when you say, : But so many parents on this thread have forgotten that everyone lines up because they want to see. I'm not sitting on a curb in the sun for an hour because I want to hold a spot for someone else's kids when their parents can't be bothered to wait. I am also not giving up a spot to Snowflake's daddy because Disney is for kids, but I would let Snowflake in front if he/she asked nicely, even if the child arrived late because their parents were far too important to wait.

And when you refer to Snowflake and Snowflake's daddy, you are referring to me as the parent? So, I am Snowflake and you are referring to my father as snowflake's daddy?

No, you are name calling a pre-schooler, directly or indirectly. Pat yourself on the back.

 

[kittyninja]

What are the Universal parades like? I have been there several times but never to a parade.

That was, literally, my first Universal parade! I didn't enjoy it! They had tractors pulling the floats. I've been told that it was for authenticity of the Mardi Gras parade but I still thought it was very tacky. I'm at a major theme park--not my local county Christmas parade.

I'm sure the regular parades are great--but the Mardi Gras one was pretty crazy. They were way too close to be throwing beads too...they hurt like heck! And I've been to Mardi Gras!

I did enjoy Universal's post-parade crowd control! They had barriers set up for those leaving the park to go one direction! It was amazing!

 

[Angel Ariel]

Okay - so you had one or two jerks behind you in a character line. I think if I ever had someone say "Disney is for kids" to me I would have no choice but to laugh out loud - both because it is so cartoonishly selfish, and because of all the times I've read stories about it on the Dis and thought, "That doesn't happen."

There's jerks at Disney. There are jerks at the grocery store and jerks at the school pick up line and jerks at the dentist's office. They are - all griping here to the contrary - the exception. I still don't see where holding on to one or two bad experiences and letting them build up into a pre-emptive "Imma get mine!" attitude helps anyone.

Where did i say anything about a preemptive "imma gonna get mine" attitude? pretty sure i have said numerous times that i wouldn't have a problem with letting a child in front of me for a parade, just not the adult.

I was simply saying exactly what you did. There are jerks at Disney, just as there are in all areas of life, so yes i believe others when they say they have had kids shoved in front of them at a parade. I never said it was the norm.

 

[StitchandPooh'sMom]

So, when you say, : But so many parents on this thread have forgotten that everyone lines up because they want to see. I'm not sitting on a curb in the sun for an hour because I want to hold a spot for someone else's kids when their parents can't be bothered to wait. I am also not giving up a spot to Snowflake's daddy because Disney is for kids, but I would let Snowflake in front if he/she asked nicely, even if the child arrived late because their parents were far too important to wait.

And when you refer to Snowflake and Snowflake's daddy, you are referring to me as the parent? So, I am Snowflake and you are referring to my father as snowflake's daddy?

No, you are name calling a pre-schooler, directly or indirectly. Pat yourself on the back.

OK, if that makes you feel better about yourself, knock yourself out. But it is not that complicated. I don't see your child as a snowflake (or my own, thank goodness), because I do not believe they deserve special treatment. I believe in planning to help my children have a good time, but not at the expense of others. And I believe in helping them manage disappointment if things do not go as planned. And I have taught them that if someone does something nice for them (like let them in front to see a parade), it is a gift, not a right or an expectation. And I don't feel the need to explain to random four year olds why they couldn't see the parade.

For illustrative purposes only , if you believe that everyone else should move to accommodate your child because YOU believe your child is so special and Disney exists for his/her enjoyment at the expense of the adults trying to "relive their childhoods", then you regard your child as a special snowflake. And you would be Snowflake's Daddy. But only for illustrative purposes. Your responses speak for themselves. I am not calling you or your child anything, merely pointing out the tendency of some hypothetical, non-identified parents who may or may not have commented on this thread.

If you choose to continue to be offended, then you need that mirror much more than I do.

BTW, have you posted on any threads yet when you are not arguing?

 

[minnie mum]

Perhaps, given BugsDaddy's blind refusal to see that other guests in the park have the same rights as his beloved progeny, and given his refusal to see the need to plan in order to obtain a suitable viewing spot for parades and fireworks, he might consider using his FPs for one of the preferred viewing areas. After all, since his child is more important than anything or anyone else, surely he is worth a FP. And then the rest of us can be spared all of these ridiculous diatribes and can enjoy our parade and fireworks experiences sans bugs.

 

[kaytieeldr]

So, when you say, : But so many parents on this thread have forgotten that everyone lines up because they want to see. I'm not sitting on a curb in the sun for an hour because I want to hold a spot for someone else's kids when their parents can't be bothered to wait. I am also not giving up a spot to Snowflake's daddy because Disney is for kids, but I would let Snowflake in front if he/she asked nicely, even if the child arrived late because their parents were far too important to wait.

And when you refer to Snowflake and Snowflake's daddy, you are referring to me as the parent? So, I am Snowflake and you are referring to my father as snowflake's daddy?

No, you are name calling a pre-schooler, directly or indirectly. Pat yourself on the back.

No. Your attitude throughout this thread indicates that you - the parent - feels and acts like your child is as unique and special as a snowflake, entitled to special consideration by and above the rest of the population.

 

[BugsDaddy]

No. Your attitude throughout this thread indicates that you - the parent - feels and acts like your child is as unique and special as a snowflake, entitled to special consideration by and above the rest of the population.

Of course I feel my child is special. Special to me. As should everyone's child be special to them. Please provide me with one example of where I said that my individual child was more special than anyone else. Just because I feel that little children should be given some consideration at parades and special events of the like? That is drawing a pretty harsh and uninformed conclusion for the rest of your accusation.

 

[StitchandPooh'sMom]

Perhaps, given BugsDaddy's blind refusal to see that other guests in the park have the same rights as his beloved progeny, and given his refusal to see the need to plan in order to obtain a suitable viewing spot for parades and fireworks, he might consider using his FPs for one of the preferred viewing areas. After all, since his child is more important than anything or anyone else, surely he is worth a FP. And then the rest of us can be spared all of these ridiculous diatribes and can enjoy our parade and fireworks experiences sans bugs.

This is an excellent idea. Disney also offers VIP tours for those who want reserved sections at parades, but simply getting a FP+ should solve all his problems.

No. Your attitude throughout this thread indicates that you - the parent - feels and acts like your child is as unique and special as a snowflake, entitled to special consideration by and above the rest of the population.

Thanks. You always have been much better at explaining things.

 

[maxiesmom]

Of course I feel my child is special. Special to me. As should everyone's child be special to them. Please provide me with one example of where I said that my individual child was more special than anyone else. Just because I feel that little children should be given some consideration at parades and special events of the like? That is drawing a pretty harsh and uninformed conclusion for the rest of your accusation.

I dare say that a trip to WDW is as a whole a special event. And that most of any extra special consideration should be at the hands of their parents, and not thrust onto total strangers to provide.

People should feel free to let little ones scoot forward if they chose to. They should not, however, feel they HAVE to. The parents are the ones that need to see to it that their children's vacations are extra special. Not other people who are probably focusing on their own extra special vacation.

 

[Luckybee]

Perhaps, given BugsDaddy's blind refusal to see that other guests in the park have the same rights as his beloved progeny, and given his refusal to see the need to plan in order to obtain a suitable viewing spot for parades and fireworks, he might consider using his FPs for one of the preferred viewing areas. After all, since his child is more important than anything or anyone else, surely he is worth a FP. And then the rest of us can be spared all of these ridiculous diatribes and can enjoy our parade and fireworks experiences sans bugs.

I am a full grown adult snowflake. I believe I am, entitled to see the parade. I hate lines and waiting. I will not sit and wait an hour for the parade. Because of my sense of "entitlement" dh and I will be using a FP for parade viewing, and we've already booked the dessert party. If we don't get a fp then we wont likely see the parade. I will be sad if we miss the parade.

Hmmm...I think I learned something about this many moons ago from my parents. Think it is called choices...something along the lines of you cant have everything. But darn I want to see the parade without crowds and lines. Maybe I should sit on dh's shoulders

 

[LilyWDW]

Of course I feel my child is special. Special to me. As should everyone's child be special to them. Please provide me with one example of where I said that my individual child was more special than anyone else. Just because I feel that little children should be given some consideration at parades and special events of the like? That is drawing a pretty harsh and uninformed conclusion for the rest of your accusation.

Considering that you expect people to accommodate your lack of planning and inability to wait like the rest of us, then yes you seem to think your child is more important then anyone else.

Again... personal responsibility.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Considering that you expect people to accommodate your lack of planning and inability to wait like the rest of us, then yes you seem to think your child is more important then anyone else.

Again... personal responsibility.

Again, please provide me one example where I have said or implied that I think my child is more important than anyone else? I said that I feel that any adult should allow a small child to move up if it doesn't affect their view as I feel these events are designed for kids enjoyment. That is my opinion and the opinion of some others. I am entitled to it like you are entitled to yours.

The truth is, you cannot provide an example of me saying anything close to my child being more important than anyone else.

Those examples will never come because there are none.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Again, please provide me one example where I have said or implied that I think my child is more important than anyone else? I said that I feel that any adult should allow a small child to move up if it doesn't affect their view as I feel these events are designed for kids enjoyment. That is my opinion and the opinion of some others. I am entitled to it like you are entitled to yours.

The truth is, you cannot provide an example of me saying anything close to my child being more important than anyone else.

Those examples will never come because there are none.

And for the record, any time we have watched a parade or other event, we have always gotten there early and never put anyone on anyone's shoulders or crowded into someone else's spot. I have been asked from groups behind me if a child could move up for a better view and have always obliged if there was room. Since when is that a bad thing? And no, I didn't feel it necessary to give the child's parents a 20 minute lecture on better planning.

 

[mesaboy2]

Again, please provide me one example where I have said or implied that I think my child is more important than anyone else? I said that I feel that any adult should allow a small child to move up if it doesn't affect their view as I feel these events are designed for kids enjoyment. That is my opinion and the opinion of some others. I am entitled to it like you are entitled to yours.

The truth is, you cannot provide an example of me saying anything close to my child being more important than anyone else.

Those examples will never come because there are none.

In my opinion, this is the fundamental flaw in your argument. Since we will never agree on this point, the actions we take based on it will be different. You do your thing, and I'll do mine. Neither is wrong.

 

[lustergirl]

This thread is like a train wreck. I can't look away

 

[Mrsjvb]

Just because I feel that little children should be given some consideration at parades and special events of the like?

WHY?! what makes kids so damned special/more important than the rest of us?!

I realize that I am over 40 and thus my memory is shot but for the life of me I cannot remember a time when my parents catered to my every whim, not even when I was spending more time in the hospital being diagnosed ( and them thinking I was going to die) then I was at home begging for a TV in my room, or cable TV in general or one of them new fangled Boom Box things

I threw many a temper tantrum because i did not get my way that instant and twenty minutes later( I probably threw another one over something else entirely) it was forgotten

My Christmas list always was 15 or 20 items long and if I got 2 things off it I considered myself lucky.

I just don't get it why some people think their children have to be coddled and spoiled and not made to do without once in a blue moon. part of growing up is learning that sometimes.. life sucks and you are disappointed over something.

 

[disney meema]

Oh my this is still going on ... " Let it go, let it go "