Kerry Supporters: Some Consolation

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by dcentity2000
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If you feel comforted by the idea that the world is largely against Bush, that can only be a good thing. If you're livid about the idea of the world having an opinion on the matter, that's your problem. Sorry.

You're outnumbered.

Edit: Note this parody, minniepumpernickel - might strike a bell!



Rich::[/FONT] [/B]

I could give a flying fig what the rest of the world thinks about our president. It is our president and not the rest of the world that has the best interest of the United States at heart. I am not livid that the world has an opinion about our elections anymore than I would be livid if a mosquito had an opinion. It is insignificant and irrelevant.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
Hmmmmmmm, I'm thinkin that's what the Blue states are beginning to think about the Red ones.

Remember, it was the "red states" that came to the rescue of the big blue state, New York. Are you trying to call that foreign aid? I would like to see the democratic party, headed by Howard Dean run on the secession issue. That would be perfect and will guarantee an Republican majority for years to come.

 

[Patch'sD]

I get no comfort in what the UK or the rest of Europe think of our President. This is the same people who thought Ronald Reagan was a Cowboy. The man responsible for ending the Cold War and Bringing down the Iron Curtain. Now Bush has taken charge to protect the US and the rest of the World from Terrorist, Bush's Legacy will be that he took the war to the terrorist. Why would I care what the French think, This is the same country that wouldn't let the US use their airspace when we took action against Libya. On September 11 we were attacked. NYC and Washington DC were the targets, that is where the war fought first, rather than fight in our streets we are taking it to them. Iraq waived it's saber, refused to meet UN imposed requirements and is now being transformed into a Democratic Society. In Spain, the terrorists bombed trains to sway the election. In the US, they sent a tape. I'll take the tape. Should we sit in a corner and wait for the next attack, or attack the Terrorists. If the rest of the world disagrees with attacking the terrorists so be it.

 

[Pete's Mom]

Originally posted by dcentity2000
Post election polls in the entire United Kingom show that had the election happened here, Kerry would have won by a factor of five to one: that's over eighty percent!

Great! We will send him right over!
KERRY FOR PRIME MINISTER!

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by LisaZoe
I see America as so diverse that no one image (cowboy or not) would ever even come close to representing a large percent of the country let alone a majority. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could stop thinking of others first by the nation of origin and start with that other as a person? Look how much more pleasant things would be. For example on the DIS it would no longer be right vs left but dmadman, crazyforgoofy, rokkitsci, kendra, peter pirate, dawn, mosmom, etc. discussing with other individuals and not just a representative of a larger group.

You wound me.

(I think I need a tissue)

 

[Mom2Em]

Now that is a hoot Pete'sMom...

 

[Peter Pirate]

Dawn, do you really think we can stand alone? You just don't care how we're thought of?

Man... ...Sure we have the UK as a partner now, but I understand Blair is in deep do-do (decenity, is this true) and the fact that the British govm't acted without the approval of the huge majority of their citizenry as did the Canadians, the Australians and most of the other coalition members should send a big message that the coalition isn't what it seems...It's all economics, as it Haliburton, oil and perhaps self preservation.

From a personal persepective, I am one of those wimp Americans...You know, the kind who actually admit that their lives have changed since bush decided to pre-emptively invade a country of no immenent threat. I no longer like to risk my families lives by flying, I no longer feel safe travelling Europe on an American passport and I am absolutely sure that MORE people in the world hate me now than they did a scant four years ago. For this Mr. bush gets all the credit.

Thanks decenity for reminding us how the world see's things. It's posters like you, Viking and our Canadian friends that keep (some) of us on the right path.

 

[dcentity2000]

Kerry for PM? Well, given the current guy, I'd say send him over, air mail please, not surface - we're in a hurry

I am curious though - why do some of you feel that non American opinion is irrelevant or superfluous to the matter? Do you feel as if your country is somehow detached from the rest of the world? That you are in some way different? Or possibly superior (I doubt the last one; no-one is that racist)? Maybe you feel that you hold a form of isolation from the rest of the world?

I'm curious I've only ever seen this demonstrated en masse a couple of times (once in reference to France - the Republicans on this forum are showing very novel links to the stereotypical Gallic psyche). And to answer the obvious question, yes, I am a student of psychopathology (as well as the newbie, law) so this is of great interest to me.

Pray tell - why doesn't the world beyond your walls matter to you?

ps. Pete - Blair is facing the boot, proceedings have started but he's not out yet.



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[Geoff_M]

I am curious though - why do some of you feel that non American opinion is irrelevant or superfluous to the matter? Do you feel as if your country is somehow detached from the rest of the world?

It is not un-important, but it is not the be-all and end-all. We've spent a lot of effort teaching our kids that it's more important to do the right thing than it is to be "liked" by their peers. Often times the right thing to do isn't the easy path or the most popular one. The same holds true on the international stage.

 

[dcentity2000]

How do you guage if you are right? If you alter the world, shouldn't it be the majority of the world that decides upon the matter, under democracy (or at least as much as is possible)? At the very least, shouldn't you get the UN to agree with you?

Again, thoughts please

[EDIT]: If you're looking, given the thread's title, to make fun of the new US President (join the club, we have t-shirts ) then please take a look-see at this so we can keep this thread more objective. Thanks!



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[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by Peter Pirate

From a personal persepective, I am one of those wimp Americans...You know, the kind who actually admit that their lives have changed since bush decided to pre-emptively invade a country of no immenent threat. I no longer like to risk my families lives by flying, I no longer feel safe travelling Europe on an American passport and I am absolutely sure that MORE people in the world hate me now than they did a scant four years ago. For this Mr. bush gets all the credit.

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If the terrorist hadn't attacked us on 9-11 we wouldn't have had to fight back.

 

[Peter Pirate]

fighting back in Afghanistan (where the terrorists lived) = GOOD

fighting back in Iraq (where the oil lives) = BAD

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by Peter Pirate
fighting back in Afghanistan (where the terrorists lived) = GOOD

fighting back in Iraq (where the oil lives) = BAD

I keep hearing about Iraq being a "war for oil"...so where is it?

 

[dcentity2000]

Originally posted by Peter Pirate
fighting back in Afghanistan (where the terrorists lived) = GOOD

fighting back in Iraq (where the oil lives) = BAD

Watch it Pete, that's bound to madden the extremists!

[EDIT]: I kept hearing the war was for WMDs. Guess we're both a bit short-changed.



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[Peter Pirate]

I keep hearing about Iraq being a "war for oil"...so where is it?

That's what I'd like to know. Thank's george. It's the one area you'd think he actually could help us with but instead he chooses to bend over to the Saudis, big oil and Haliburton...Do you think any of them are hurting?

 

[Geoff_M]

How do you guage if you are right?

That's something you need to sort out on your own. External input shouldn't be excluded from the thought process, but it shouldn't be the driving force.

If you alter the world, shouldn't it be the majority of the world that decides upon the matter, under democracy (or at least as much as is possible)? At the very least, shouldn't you get the UN to agree with you?

No.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by Peter Pirate
That's what I'd like to know. Thank's george. It's the one area you'd think he actually could help us with but instead he chooses to bend over to the Saudis, big oil and Haliburton...Do you think any of them are hurting?

I have no idea, but I know I'm not hurting. My family has done very well under President Bush, and we're looking forward to doing well for the next 4 years as well.

How do you guage if you are right? If you alter the world, shouldn't it be the majority of the world that decides upon the matter, under democracy (or at least as much as is possible)? At the very least, shouldn't you get the UN to agree with you?

In a word, no. Like any country, we're going to do what is in our best interest. Just like I wouldn't presume to tell Britain what they should do or who they should elect, I expect them to do the same where we're concerned.

 

[Geoff_M]

Haliburton...Do you think any of them are hurting?

Uh, yes. Haliburton is loosing money in Iraq and they reported a quarterly corporate loss for their last financial quarter.

 

[Grumpy Professor]

Originally posted by Peter Pirate
fighting back in Afghanistan (where the terrorists lived) = GOOD

fighting back in Iraq (where the oil lives) = BAD

Removing SH (plus his two murdering sons) and liberating 25 million people = BAD?

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Grumpy Professor
Removing SH (plus his two murdering sons) and liberating 25 million people = BAD?

Killing 100,000+ innocent Iraqi civilians to protect us from the wmds = BAD!