Kelly Rutherford

[usnuzuloose]

The courts allow it to continue, they let the parents use the kids as weapons against the parents. I blame the courts as well.

 

[castleview]

The courts allow it to continue, they let the parents use the kids as weapons against the parents. I blame the courts as well.

The court actually gave residential custody to the dad because the mom was using the kids as weapons. Kelly has no one to blame but herself.

 

[mamamary]

She was on a talk show one day And I tried to follow what her story was about. It just seemed odd like something else was going on

 

[PaulaSB12]

http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf

This shows why she has not got custody, she has stated she wants to raise them with no contact with their father while he has done everything to make sure she is in their life.

Here is what the judgement says about the visa issue

"Daniel is a German citizen formerly residing in the united States pursuant to a valid visa. He had obtained an original 0-1 visa valid through april 2012. In November of 2011, his request to extend that visa for one year through april 2013 was approved. His visa has since been revoked, and the most reasonable explanation is this is the result of actions taken by Kelly's attorney, Mathew Rich. the court finds that the following events transpired:
On December 12, 2011 in the courthouse, Kelly's counsel, Matthew Rich, in her presence, advised Daniel and his counsel that he was on the telephone with the state department, and stated that he had called the state department.
on December 12, 2011, in the presence of Kelly and in the hallway of the courthouse, Mr Rich stated to Daniel's council and Daniel that he was contacting the State department to have Daniel arrested and/or deported, and that he would be providing the state department with the transcript of the December 12 hearing..
When Mr Rich approached Daniel and his counsel in the courthouse hallway on December 12, 2011, and told them he had the state department on the line and urged that Daniel be arrested, Kelly was sitting on a bench close to where Daniel and counsel were standing. She did not stop Mr Rich from making the call asking that Daniel be arrested.
In the presence of Daniel' counsel, mr Rich claimed to be on the telephone with the state department. He stated into the phone, "he's lied and said he has a valid visa, he's about to kidnap the kids." "why aren't you here arresting him?" "Daniel Girsch is here now for you to arrest him right now. Come and arrest him right now." Kelly was sitting across from Daniel's counsel and Mr Rich in the hallway when this happened.
Mr Rich then handed Daniel's counsel a stipulation and order re: Child Visitation, with Kelly sitting next to him, requesting that Daniel and his counsel agree via that stipulation that Daniel "shall not have any visitation with the Minor children Hermes Giersch and Helena Giersch until further order of the court" Mr Rich told Daniel's counsel that if Daniel signed the stipulation, the "problem" would go away."

It goes on to say that him having visa trouble was odd, and that the mother was doing all she could to stop the children having a relationship with their father. Kelly failed to identify Daniel as Helena's father on her brigh certificate for three years following her birth. This issue came up early in the case. Kelly falsely represented to Dr Stachan, the first of the tree custody evaluators, that she had placed Daniel's name on the birth certificate. Then, despite initially agreeing to make the change to the birth certificate, Kelly refused to agree on December 2 2010, Kelly failed to provide any evidence to support her reason for refusing to amend the birth certificate, and in fact, Kelly testified in July 2012 that her reason for not including Daniel as the father on the birth certificate was that she was hurt rather than any concern for Helena.

She told the media that she wanted to raise the children alone. She poses with the children in the media which is in violation of the parties stipulated judgement that parties are not to expose the children to the media

 

[sunshinehighway]

TMZ is reporting she showed up at court today without the kids. She had been ordered to bring them to court so they could be sent back to their father.

 

[Heidict]

TMZ is reporting she showed up at court today without the kids. She had been ordered to bring them to court so they could be sent back to their father.

Gee, surprise. She thumbs her nose at the courts again, directly violating an order. Yeah, she is the innocent victim in all this.

Really hope that this turns around and bits her. She will deserve every bit of it. Just another narcissistic actor. Is she even working anymore or was Gossip Girl all she was good for?

 

[Kalliope]

Gee, surprise. She thumbs her nose at the courts again, directly violating an order. Yeah, she is the innocent victim in all this.

Really hope that this turns around and bits her. She will deserve every bit of it. Just another narcissistic actor. Is she even working anymore or was Gossip Girl all she was good for?

You mean the same court that told her a couple weeks ago there was nothing they could do?

 

[Heidict]

You mean the same court that told her a couple weeks ago there was nothing they could do?

Judge Ellen Gesmer. She apparently was not amused at her antics and demanded that the children be brought in to the courtroom.

Ticking off a judge. Yeah, that is always a smart move. Regardless of what happened earlier, you honestly think she is playing this smart by ignoring and defying a judges order?

She VIOLATED the custody agreement that was in place. Since she doesn't like the custody agreement, she will just play stupid. She will be lucky if she sees these kids before they turn 18, with the way she is going.

 

[castleview]

Well, the kids are on the way to the airport with paternal grandmother. Guess that wasn't such a good move on Kelly's part.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/11/kelly-rutherford-lost-custody-kids-children-return-to-monaco/

 

[sunshinehighway]

You mean the same court that told her a couple weeks ago there was nothing they could do?

It's her own fault the court can't help her Her behavior is what caused the original decision to have the kids to live with their father in France.
She makes things worse for herself at every turn.

 

[aprincessatlast]

This story fascinates me as it such an example of journalism today. With all the interviews and stories reported I have yet to see one of them ask the tough questions to answers that are so easy to find. It is as if they all are star struck and want to portray this woman in a certain light. It is mind boggling. She lied and did not follow court order again and again. You will find her soon on a talk show crying about it and there is no way you will see one of the reporters asking "So why did you allow your attorney to call the justice department to have him deported?" or "Why did.....?

Just by reading the easy to find court document you see all the trouble she went to to try to cut this man out of the kids lives. She is putting a spin on the whole American thing which people are buying hook, line, and sinker??? I even read a line from someone that said Citizenship is first and foremost yet most do not bother to see the father is German and the kids have dual citizenship and that means they can live in the EU. I would think qualified parents would be first and foremost.

 

[castleview]

This story fascinates me as it such an example of journalism today. With all the interviews and stories reported I have yet to see one of them ask the tough questions to answers that are so easy to find. It is as if they all are star struck and want to portray this woman in a certain light. It is mind boggling. She lied and did not follow court order again and again. You will find her soon on a talk show crying about it and there is no way you will see one of the reporters asking "So why did you allow your attorney to call the justice department to have him deported?" or "Why did.....?

Just by reading the easy to find court document you see all the trouble she went to to try to cut this man out of the kids lives. She is putting a spin on the whole American thing which people are buying hook, line, and sinker??? I even read a line from someone that said Citizenship is first and foremost yet most do not bother to see the father is German and the kids have dual citizenship and that means they can live in the EU. I would think qualified parents would be first and foremost.

Agreed and its not just this topic. Very concerning.

 

[Heidict]

It's her own fault the court can't help her Her behavior is what caused the original decision to have the kids to live with their father in France.
She makes things worse for herself at every turn.

She has shown that she will manipulate and lie in order to force the father out of their lives. I don't know what happened in their marriage or what caused the breakup, but she just seems very spiteful to me.

I can imagine this must be heartbreaking for her. Being separated from your children has to be so difficult, let alone having them in another country. As a mother, I can understand her need to be with her children, but she is going about this in all the wrong ways and it is going to cost her so much in the end.

Seems like this is going to be going before the courts in Monaco now and I don't think they will look to kindly on her for disobeying their rulings and conditions.

 

[sunshinehighway]

She has shown that she will manipulate and lie in order to force the father out of their lives. I don't know what happened in their marriage or what caused the breakup, but she just seems very spiteful to me.

I can imagine this must be heartbreaking for her. Being separated from your children has to be so difficult, let alone having them in another country. As a mother, I can understand her need to be with her children, but she is going about this in all the wrong ways and it is going to cost her so much in the end.

Seems like this is going to be going before the courts in Monaco now and I don't think they will look to kindly on her for disobeying their rulings and conditions.

She seems more concerned with getting what she wants than being with her children. She could go to Monaco. Her ex is supposed to pay for 6 rt trips per year and set her up in an apartment while she's there. She has the time. Her show ended and even when it was filming, she had a huge amount of time off. In the original proceedings ( when Gossip Girl was still on) she said she only worked 50ish days per year.
Even if he refused to pay, she could be spending the money she's using to maintain homes in both LA and NY to live in Monaco part time.

 

[PaulaSB12]

Her behaviour to her first husband Carlos Tarajano was as bad, leaving him after a short while when it was found he was in bad health but telling Glamour that they were still together after her husband asked them not to run their article about their wedding as she had filed for divorce. She was supposed to have written to the state department admitting that what they were told was not true but even now she has refused to do that. Her view on custody that was he should only be allowed to see the children in New York which would mean not being able to see them at all, she unlike her ex has shown herself unwilling to allow his relationship with his children go on

"Shortly after Helena's birth, Kelly advised the media that she intended to raise the children alone. In her 2012 testimony, Kelly admitted to participating in and posing for the media article in which she stated as saying this was her intention
Kelly acknowledges posing with the children in the media and/or publishing pictures of the children, which is a violation of the parties stipulated judgment dated July 2010 ordering that the parties are not to expose the children to the media.
In 2009, Kelly unilaterally enrolled Hermes at the Lycee Francais in New York. In spring of 2012, Kelly unilaterally enrolled Helena in French classes in New York thereafter, unilaterally signed her up for the waiting list of a preschool in NY, Le jardin a L'ouest.
Dr Aloia concluded that, in contrast to Daniel's facilitation of Kelly relationship with the children (described in greater detail below), he finds Ms rutherford has engaged in conduct intended to interfere with Mr Giersch's relationship with the children or either child
Kelly does not provide positive messages regarding Daniel including the following
Kelly's accusations of Daniel dealing arms and drugs with no evidence to support the same
Kelly's nanny alleging that Daniel may be homicidal, without any evidence to support this
Dr Anzieu ( Hermes' therapist) reporting to Dr Aloia that after Daniel's visa was revoked, Hermes questioned whether his father was a criminal or had done anything wrong. These comments were made during a period of time where Hermes was in Kelly's custody due to Daniel's Visa revocation and had not been with Daniel
In 2010, Kelly admitted placing her telephone number in Hermes' shoe and instructing him if he was ever in an an airport with his father he should scream and call the police
Kelly does not encourage transitions
Both Dr Strachan and Dr Aloia found signs of maternal gate keeping of the part of Kelling. As early as 2009, in Dr Strachan's evaluation, he found that all safety concerns raised by Kelly were red herrings.
During skype sessions with the children while the children have been in Daniel's custody, Kelly has cried and caused the children to be upset
Kelly has failed to have photographs of the children's father in her home
Kelly attempted to block minor's counsel's communication and access to information from Hermes' two teachers his therapist and tutor.
Kelly, through her attorneys, has been attempting to arouse the suspicion and concern of the immigration authorities.
As of the end of the trial, Kelly, despite her promise to do so, had failed to sign any affidavit confirming that she did not wish to have Daniel's visa denied or revoked nor had she signed anything rescinding any action taken on her behalf by her attorney
Daniel's facilitative communication and conduct
Daniel has demonstrated a pattern of being facilitative. Dr Aloia testified he did not find a single incident of conduct by Daniel intended to interfere with Kelly's relationship with the children
.

 

[Heidict]

Her behaviour to her first husband Carlos Tarajano was as bad, leaving him after a short while when it was found he was in bad health but telling Glamour that they were still together after her husband asked them not to run their article about their wedding as she had filed for divorce. She was supposed to have written to the state department admitting that what they were told was not true but even now she has refused to do that. Her view on custody that was he should only be allowed to see the children in New York which would mean not being able to see them at all, she unlike her ex has shown herself unwilling to allow his relationship with his children go on

"Shortly after Helena's birth, Kelly advised the media that she intended to raise the children alone. In her 2012 testimony, Kelly admitted to participating in and posing for the media article in which she stated as saying this was her intention
Kelly acknowledges posing with the children in the media and/or publishing pictures of the children, which is a violation of the parties stipulated judgment dated July 2010 ordering that the parties are not to expose the children to the media.
In 2009, Kelly unilaterally enrolled Hermes at the Lycee Francais in New York. In spring of 2012, Kelly unilaterally enrolled Helena in French classes in New York thereafter, unilaterally signed her up for the waiting list of a preschool in NY, Le jardin a L'ouest.
Dr Aloia concluded that, in contrast to Daniel's facilitation of Kelly relationship with the children (described in greater detail below), he finds Ms rutherford has engaged in conduct intended to interfere with Mr Giersch's relationship with the children or either child
Kelly does not provide positive messages regarding Daniel including the following
Kelly's accusations of Daniel dealing arms and drugs with no evidence to support the same
Kelly's nanny alleging that Daniel may be homicidal, without any evidence to support this
Dr Anzieu ( Hermes' therapist) reporting to Dr Aloia that after Daniel's visa was revoked, Hermes questioned whether his father was a criminal or had done anything wrong. These comments were made during a period of time where Hermes was in Kelly's custody due to Daniel's Visa revocation and had not been with Daniel
In 2010, Kelly admitted placing her telephone number in Hermes' shoe and instructing him if he was ever in an an airport with his father he should scream and call the police
Kelly does not encourage transitions
Both Dr Strachan and Dr Aloia found signs of maternal gate keeping of the part of Kelling. As early as 2009, in Dr Strachan's evaluation, he found that all safety concerns raised by Kelly were red herrings.
During skype sessions with the children while the children have been in Daniel's custody, Kelly has cried and caused the children to be upset
Kelly has failed to have photographs of the children's father in her home
Kelly attempted to block minor's counsel's communication and access to information from Hermes' two teachers his therapist and tutor.
Kelly, through her attorneys, has been attempting to arouse the suspicion and concern of the immigration authorities.
As of the end of the trial, Kelly, despite her promise to do so, had failed to sign any affidavit confirming that she did not wish to have Daniel's visa denied or revoked nor had she signed anything rescinding any action taken on her behalf by her attorney
Daniel's facilitative communication and conduct
Daniel has demonstrated a pattern of being facilitative. Dr Aloia testified he did not find a single incident of conduct by Daniel intended to interfere with Kelly's relationship with the children
.

All of that, and yet some still see her as the poor abused victim in all this. I don't understand it.

Glad to hear that her antics didn't seem to harm the kids any yesterday. From what I read, they were happy and smiling, gave their mother a kiss goodbye and then happily went with their grandmother to the airport and back to their father.

 

[PaulaSB12]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...grants-custody-ex-bitter-years-long-case.html

She has lost custody of the children and can only see them in France and Monaco
Now Kelly’s behavior has been heavily criticized with the Monaco court finding that ‘the mother has consistently retained the children’s passports that made it difficult for him [the father] since he could not come and go in their company, [Giersch has ongoing visa issues] nor similarly prove their identity, and she also objected to the issuing of German passports.’

Giersch described the limitations imposed by Kelly as ‘unacceptable.’

‘Furthermore,’ it was claimed, ‘the mother’s conduct also affected the children’s health since they had not been vaccinated.’

Their father intends to vaccinate them in accordance with French law.

In the ugly to and fro of the legal battle Kelly’s attorney’s described Giersch as, ‘paranoid, hostile, narcissistic, rigid and cold.’

But the court ‘considered that the children, who had lived in Monaco with their father for three and a half years, were perfectly content and that it was in their interests to remain in the Principality,’ with Giersch’s attorney’s maintaining that Kelly had ‘little interest in her children’s schooling.’

They claimed that recently, ‘she wanted Helena to spend the day with her, although the children was starting a new school year.’

The court threw out Giersch’s demand that all money received by Kelly for ‘exposure of her children in the media’ should be paid into a bank account opened in his name, for the children.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-ex-bitter-years-long-case.html#ixzz3uPHmvQ67
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[Heidict]

Saw that in the news yesterday. Looks like all her games backfired on her. So, I guess that trying to be sneaky and backhanded isn't the way to go. If she had just acted like an adult she would probably still allowed to bring her children here for summers and / or breaks.

As a mother, a part of me feels sorry for her, but when you play these games, don't come out crying when you lose.