Kanye West

[BlueStarryHat]

I'd like to point out that West's behavior escalated *after* he married Kim Kardashian. He had a history of being outspoken to the point of rudeness and for being eccentric...but nobody, not even Kim Kardashian, could have predicted he'd have this meltdown. People with a mental illness (and I speak as a person with a mental illness) need to stay on their medication when it's prescribed. West is most likely in a psychosis, and is a clear and present danger to his ex-wife and her new boyfriend.

Because she's a Kardashian with a reputation of being a celebrity for celebrity's sake, this situation is being treated with contempt for *her* to the point of if she dies at West's hand or if Pete Davidson is hurt or killed people here will say she asked for it. That is horrible and cruel. She is an abuse victim. You don't get to decide that she's not because of her past actions.

 

[CynBeth]

He was a POS the first time I heard of him (interrupting Taylor Swift at whatever awards show) and nothing he has since done has made me change my opinion. Indeed, most of his actions have reinforced my initial impression.

As for Kim K, oh well, she picked this loser knowing full well what he’s about, so boo hoo hoo for her problems. Her stunt went away and now she wants to play victim.

I have never liked him. I know what you mean and hope I do not sound horrible about feeling the same way with what I am about to say. I have a co-worker who married this guy she had dated since high school who is awful in the way he treats her and is into drugs and has cheated on her not sure how many times while dating and after they have been married. It is possible he has a mental health issue but refuses to look into it. She was always complaining when we were in the office. He had trouble holding jobs because he either failed drug tests or did a bad job. They had one child and things got worse she never trusted him alone with him and did not want to bother their families and can’t remember if he refuses to do chores or was so bad at them she had to do all of the cooking, cleaning, and childcare so never had time to relax and do things for herself or go out with friends. Then had a second child with him. Not only did she constantly complain to us about him but during work hours a lot of times had screaming fights with him over the phone that we could all hear as our cubes were on top of each other she never went somewhere private and unfortunately the manager never said anything to her. Since the pandemic started am so glad to be at home and not have to hear about this situation. I felt she put her kids in a dangerous situation and has no right to complain about how he acts since she knew it going in and decided to marry him anyway and refuses to leave.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I’ve always been honestly baffled by the people out there who so passionately despise the Kardashians. I understand thinking better or worse of different celebrities or finding someone to be particularly obnoxious, that I understand. But the seething anger, the feeling that the whole family are awful people who deserve any bad thing that happens to them, that I don’t get. Those are the kinds of strong negative feelings I might have for someone who promotes bigoted ideologies, spreads hate, and brings harm to others.

What have the Kardashians done to rouse that kind of ire in so many people? They’ve been on reality shows, as have literally thousands of other people over the past 30 years. They’ve modeled and sold beauty products and launched different business ventures. They’ve got wealth and fame and paparazzi take their pictures and they get invited to red carpet events. They’re active on social media. Which part of this makes them more evil than Satan himself and deserving of any and all misery and suffering that comes their way? What am I missing? Because the worst and most specific complaint anyone can ever really say about them is that they’re attention-seeking. Okay, so are lots of people. If it bothers you so much just…. don’t give them attention.

@RedAngie @EMom Can you offer anything specific to help me understand what any one of them has ever done that’s so truly awful that it means none of them will ever be worthy of basic human empathy?

 

[DLgal]

I’ve always been honestly baffled by the people out there who so passionately despise the Kardashians. I understand thinking better or worse of different celebrities or finding someone to be particularly obnoxious, that I understand. But the seething anger, the feeling that the whole family are awful people who deserve any bad thing that happens to them, that I don’t get. Those are the kinds of strong negative feelings I might have for someone who promotes bigoted ideologies, spreads hate, and brings harm to others.

What have the Kardashians done to rouse that kind of ire in so many people? They’ve been on reality shows, as have literally thousands of other people over the past 30 years. They’ve modeled and sold beauty products and launched different business ventures. They’ve got wealth and fame and paparazzi take their pictures and they get invited to red carpet events. They’re active on social media. Which part of this makes them more evil than Satan himself and deserving of any and all misery and suffering that comes their way? What am I missing? Because the worst and most specific complaint anyone can ever really say about them is that they’re attention-seeking. Okay, so are lots of people. If it bothers you so much just…. don’t give them attention.

@RedAngie @EMom Can you offer anything specific to help me understand what any one of them has ever done that’s so truly awful that it means none of them will ever be worthy of basic human empathy?

Jealousy. It's jealousy. But these people will go to great lengths to deny that it has anything to do with that. Watch.

The constant refrain of these people who HATE the Kardashians is "they haven't done anything to earn their fame." They feel like their fortune is undeserved. People have contempt for that because "they" work hard and never can even hope to approach that level of success and so they project their feelings as hatred.

I couldn't care less about the Kardashians. I don't feel any specific way about them, but I don't have a seething hatred of them either. I can recognize that they have been very savvy in their business decisions and they likely had a lot of connections and luck that the majority of us will never have access to. Good for them.

And yet, as a decent human being and a woman, I have nothing but sympathy for Kim in this situation. That should not have to be earned either. It should be a given.

 

[EMom]

I don’t hate her and I don’t wish harm upon her. I think the best thing would be for them to divorce with as much dignity as possible and go their separate ways, especially since children are involved. What I am saying is that whatever happens, she will find a way to play it to her advantage. After the dust settles, a big interview, “leaked” insider tidbits, perhaps a book, whatever. All to build her brand even bigger. Given her track record, that’s not a leap. It’s completely foreseeable. I am not saying she deserves what Kanye might do, but instead that whatever he possibly does, she will find a way to turn straw into gold. It’s her talent.

 

[MillauFr]

He’s using her. She’s using him.

Agreed. I don't think dating is the right word. It is just a business relationship.

 

[tcufrog]

I personally can't stand the Kardashians. They are trashy and terrible role models for young women. They also have a reputation for stealing other people's IP for their own business gain and for being horribly tone-deaf with their choices. Their taste in men, for the most part, is terrible and poor choices for fathers of their children.

That being said, Pete, Kim, and Kim's kids do not deserve at all the horrible, dangerous, and abusive behavior that Kanye has done towards them. I'm worried about Pete and Kim's personal safety and the mental and emotional health of the kids involved. Kanye cares more about what he wants than what's best for his kids. Kanye needs to be committed and needs a conservatorship.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I personally can't stand the Kardashians. They are trashy and terrible role models for young women. They also have a reputation for stealing other people's IP for their own business gain and for being horribly tone-deaf with their choices. Their taste in men, for the most part, is terrible and poor choices for fathers of their children.

That being said, Pete, Kim, and Kim's kids do not deserve at all the horrible, dangerous, and abusive behavior that Kanye has done towards them. I'm worried about Pete and Kim's personal safety and the mental and emotional health of the kids involved. Kanye cares more about what he wants than what's best for his kids. Kanye needs to be committed and needs a conservatorship.

Yes, a normal person can see beyond their dislike for the family as a whole to the actual situation happening right now. I’ve never been a fan of the Kardashians, but the things Kanye has posted on IF is downright horrifying. His threats. His stalking. .....

He needs help. I hope he gets it. Especially before something tragic happens.

 

[Disneylover99]

I don’t hate her and I don’t wish harm upon her. I think the best thing would be for them to divorce with as much dignity as possible and go their separate ways, especially since children are involved. What I am saying is that whatever happens, she will find a way to play it to her advantage. After the dust settles, a big interview, “leaked” insider tidbits, perhaps a book, whatever. All to build her brand even bigger. Given her track record, that’s not a leap. It’s completely foreseeable. I am not saying she deserves what Kanye might do, but instead that whatever he possibly does, she will find a way to turn straw into gold. It’s her talent.

FWIW, I understand and agree with what you’re saying. And when it comes right down to it, I’m sure nobody wants to see Kim, Pete or the kids hurt in any way.

 

[MillauFr]

Can't wait until Kayne shows up in Moscow and starts spouting off nonsense about how great Putin is.

 

[MrsPete]

Just because all parties involved are famous, doesn’t mean she deserves what she’s getting (as I’m sure the comments will be coming).

It's not blaming the victim to say that all actions -- good or bad -- come with consequences. People going through divorces are OFTEN angry, and OFTEN one or both parties say mean /cruel things -- some people are just blowing off steam, while others actually mean to follow through.

This couple just happens to be in the public eye -- and they have worked very hard to keep themselves there.

 

[ChrisFL]

I am not making excuses for Kanye at all....what he's doing is very wrong and definitely needs more proper intervention.

I do want to say that when his rap career began, he had a song about him being involved in a major car accident. That car accident could have possibly given him brain trauma that doesn't manifest itself until later...plus when he lost his mother due to botched cosmetic surgery I think that really pushed him over the edge.

Note: I am not a doctor or psychiatrist, just noting these.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Just going to leave this here.

https://www.eonline.com/news/132212...owing-backlash-over-pete-davidson-music-video

 

[TheIncredibles!]

This man is clearly horribly under medicated. On top of that he is also an ***.

 

[lifesavacation]

I really dislike the Kardashians but I understand Kim’s fear. If you’ve ever dealt with someone who has a untreated mental illness and they direct their anger at you, it can be terrorizing. They aren’t mentally well and it’s hard to know what they are capable of in the moment. You constantly look over your shoulder worrying if something inside their head is going to snap.

 

[Moliphino]

It's not blaming the victim to say that all actions -- good or bad -- come with consequences. People going through divorces are OFTEN angry, and OFTEN one or both parties say mean /cruel things -- some people are just blowing off steam, while others actually mean to follow through.

This couple just happens to be in the public eye -- and they have worked very hard to keep themselves there.

And during a divorce there's a greater risk of violence. Leaving is the riskiest thing a woman in an abusive relationship can do.

 

[C&Jx2]

Jealousy. It's jealousy. But these people will go to great lengths to deny that it has anything to do with that. Watch.

The constant refrain of these people who HATE the Kardashians is "they haven't done anything to earn their fame." They feel like their fortune is undeserved. People have contempt for that because "they" work hard and never can even hope to approach that level of success and so they project their feelings as hatred.

I couldn't care less about the Kardashians. I don't feel any specific way about them, but I don't have a seething hatred of them either. I can recognize that they have been very savvy in their business decisions and they likely had a lot of connections and luck that the majority of us will never have access to. Good for them.

And yet, as a decent human being and a woman, I have nothing but sympathy for Kim in this situation. That should not have to be earned either. It should be a given.

I pretty much feel the same.

Also… No one would be saying rotten things if it were their friend in this crazy divorce situation. It IS scary.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

OP here.

I really envisioned this thread talking more about Kanye than about Kim.

A few people touched on his mental illness and history. I just wonder if there is anything that anyone can really do to help him? He’s divorced now, his mother is gone, his kids are still young, and he’s a billionaire, so he can pretty much do whatever he wants to do. From articles I’ve read it seems he refuses to take any meds for his bipolar disorder and maybe psychosis? Does anyone know, is he close to anyone? Is there any hope that he’ll get himself straightened out and not get worse with his threats and menacing behavior? I can’t help but think he must’ve had some redeeming qualities if she married and had four kids with him!

 

[DLgal]

OP here.

I really envisioned this thread talking more about Kanye than about Kim.

A few people touched on his mental illness and history. I just wonder if there is anything that anyone can really do to help him? He’s divorced now, his mother is gone, his kids are still young, and he’s a billionaire, so he can pretty much do whatever he wants to do. From articles I’ve read it seems he refuses to take any meds for his bipolar disorder and maybe psychosis? Does anyone know, is he close to anyone? Is there any hope that he’ll get himself straightened out and not get worse with his threats and menacing behavior? I can’t help but think he must’ve had some redeeming qualities if she married and had four kids with him!

Untreated mental illness destroys lives. That is the sad reality. Even when treatment is being undertaken, it's not always effective. It's a balancing act with medications and therapy.

My dad developed bipolar disorder in his early 30s. By then, my parents had been married for 6 years and myself and older sister had been born. My mom was pregnant with my little sister at the time. Thankfully, my dad was compliant with treatment, but that didn't mean smooth sailing. He verbally and emotionally abused my mom for decades afterwards. They divorced at one point when my dad refused to acknowledge that his meds were no longer working. He is a creature of habit and would NOT switch psychiatrists or meds, stating it was my MOM that was the problem. Spoiler alert: it wasn't. They ended up back together about 5 years later after my dad relented and underwent a medication change. Things went downhill again for a few years, but are now stable/good again. At this point my parents are codependent and honestly, it's sad to see. They would have probably both been better off divorcing years ago and going their separate ways but they really love each other deep down and the bipolar disorder is the thing that makes everything so hard.

There are no easy answers. However, it seems that Kanye will likely end up either arrested, committed against his will, or dead by his own hand if he continues to balk at treatment in the name of hanging onto his "genius." People like him thrive off the manic phase of bipolar and it is likely true that he feels more creative during those times, and he doesn't want to lose that. It's understandable, but at some point when you begin threatening the lives of people when they "do you wrong", it's no longer only about how the illness is affecting you.