just can't stand it anymore!!!!!! VENT RANT

[tnmt]

Well, it is obvious she didn't report his income or she wouldn't be getting all this assistance with him making good money, as the OP said.

 

[rumrunnergirl]

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[eliza61]

NO, you should not MYOB!!! The other poster probably is doing the same thing and that is why they say that. LOL. No, you don't have to get married but you need to turn all income in the household in. Obviously she is not doing this or she wouldn't qualify for all this stuff. Evidently she didn't tell who the father is either or they would be going after the dad for child support and he is supposed to provide insurance for his children! Please don't listen to the ones saying MYOB. Please do our country a favor and report this fraud! Thank you for helping us that actually do work and pay taxes to support these BUMS!

See that's my point. We get all these post about how mad people are about others abusing (or what they think is abuse) the system. yet no one wants to do any thing other than vent on the dis.
I'm not harsh, I just don't understand if some one has all this information about the family next door committing various types of fraud, how they can say they are soooo mad and yet do nothing?
It's not helping us if all we do is complain on a Disney travel site. so it makes me wonder do we want to change things or simply complain?

 

[robinb]

Well, it is obvious she didn't report his income or she wouldn't be getting all this assistance with him making good money, as the OP said.

And according to you it's obvious that I am a Welfare Queen .

Nothing is "obvious".

 

[MKCP5]

See that's my point. We get all these post about how mad people are about others abusing (or what they think is abuse) the system. yet no one wants to do any thing other than vent on the dis.
I'm not harsh, I just don't understand if some one has all this information about the family next door committing various types of fraud, how they can say they are soooo mad and yet do nothing?
It's not helping us if all we do is complain on a Disney travel site. so it makes me wonder do we want to change things or simply complain?

I know you are right. I am just reallly nervous about the repercussions. Working on my courage!

 

[shortbun]

Yeah, Ohio doesn't pay that much either. I have a close family member who is losing their home next month. We have all checked and double checked about new guidelines, programs and possibilities for him. He's walking away, no choice-has been unemployed for over a year, is upside down on the house value/mortgage and there isn't a law that would protect him from foreclosure. I think your neighbor is lying. BUT...that lawn treatment would have really made me mad!!! eta: I know lots of people who are not married because it would cost them so much. Laws need to be changed.

 

[tnmt]

Welfare Queen. LOL. Are you? LOL. I don't see why you say MYOB when it is our business if we are footing the bill for these BUMS!

 

[keishashadow]

And according to you it's obvious that I am a Welfare Queen .

Nothing is "obvious".

Yeah, Ohio doesn't pay that much either. I have a close family member who is losing their home next month. We have all checked and double checked about new guidelines, programs and possibilities for him. He's walking away, no choice-has been unemployed for over a year, is upside down on the house value/mortgage and there isn't a law that would protect him from foreclosure. I think your neighbor is lying. BUT...that lawn treatment would have really made me mad!!! eta: I know lots of people who are not married because it would cost them so much. Laws need to be changed.

may be she's bartering for it

fyi, having an 'ex' in the business, many providers cut discounted/free deals for lawn/pest services if homeowner will allow signage placement.

as stated above...nothing can be construed to be obvious...everything is subject to interpretation or worse yet 'judgement' by one's peers

 

[BellvilleDad]

I also suspect the $700 week unemployment - that doesn't sound right at all - that just can't be right - no one gets that much!

From here:
If you are eligible for UI, you will get about half of your average weekly wage in benefits, up to the state maximum weekly benefit in effect when you filed your claim. The state maximum benefit in Massachusetts, effective October 4, 2009, is $629 per week. The maximum weekly benefit is recalculated each year, effective the first Sunday in October.

If you have children and you are their main support, you will also get a dependency allowance. This allowance is usually $25 per child per week. The dependency allowance cannot be more than half of your weekly benefit amount, no matter how many children you have.

For 2009, you will also get an additional $25 per week as part of the federal Economic Stimulus Plan.

 

[melafive]

OP I think you have every right to feel frustrated. If the stories she tells you are true there is no doubt she is taking advantage of the system. No one should do that. I have a good friend who could genuinely use the help and she is struggling to make it. She works three jobs and is a single parent. Her ex is a dead beat father. Do you think she can get the help she needs no! It's sad that those who could use it can't and there are others who just take advantage.

 

[eliza61]

I know you are right. I am just reallly nervous about the repercussions. Working on my courage!

You've got it!! Don't doubt yourself!! Most will not ask for identifying information, if they do just hang up. What burns my britches is the poor fishermen down in the gulf who are losing their livilihood through no fault of their own. They are the true hard workers who need temporary assistance and I guarantee you they will work their butts off to get back on their feet.
Here in NJ and PA, we have commercials all the time with anomyous hot lines to call for insurance and mortgage fraud.

NJ is getting better too. I have a rental property and had a very bad tenant who I was kicking out. She called the irs and reported that I was charging her twice what I was reporting and she called the building inspector. Believe me, they got in touch with me quick fast. I know the system is horribly broken but we can do some thing.

 

[dawnball]

I am permanently disabled, so I spend a lot of time at home... every day on the morning television I see these commercials for welfare lawyers who will "fight" to get you accepted for disability benefits. It's always puzzled me. When I applied for SSI, I simply walked into the office with my application, had a very brief physical with a government doctor, sent over medical records from my current team of physicians and surgeons, and signed some papers. There was no fighting involved.

I tend to think that part of the problem is that if you have to "fight" to get accepted for disability you probably shouldn't be getting it.

Those lawyers are mostly advertising for SSDI, not SSI. Nationally - 64% of people are turned down for SSDI on their first claim. And 86% are turned down on their reconsideration. Then you go to a hearing, where 63% are APPROVED. Yeah, it can be a battle. And if you don't get the paperwork just right, or you phrase things the wrong way - you get denied.

When you're used to working and suddenly can't - it's really, really easy for "normal" people to not know what to say on the forms. To feel like they maybe "could" work. To not have the mental and emotional energy to keep pushing the process along while they also try to work on their health and try to figure out how to pay their bills and take care of their children. Also, people feel guilty about claiming SSDI, or SSI, or food stamps, or whatever.

Hiring a lawyer for an SSDI claim is no more scamming the system than hiring a CPA for a tax audit. Neither one is going to misrepresent your claim. Neither one is going to do anything you couldn't do yourself. They just have the experience to know -what- to do.

My Mother-in-Law is permanently disabled. With SSDI and private long-term-disability she doesn't have enough income to make ends meet. Just her health insurance premiums (medicare supplements) are more than 50% of her disability income. Add to that all the things she can't do for herself anymore and needs to have someone else do? There's no way. Absolutely no way she can do it. So family supports her and she guards her (small) nest-egg of cash. When the cash is gone, there will be more social services available. She'll qualify for foodstamps. Maybe SSI, housing assistance, someone to come in and do the things she can't, to check on her and make sure she hasn't fallen and can't help herself, energy assistance - all the things that could make it possible for her to be somewhat independent.

If she went to a lawyer, or a financial advisor who was familiar with the available services - they'd tell her to pay her own expenses now until she's down to 2K of countable assets, and then let family help with her needs - augmenting what social services can do. It's the legal, reasonable, obvious thing to do. And pride is keeping her from doing it. Because y'know - only scammers get welfare.

 

[swilshire]

The IRS would investigate him very quickly.

And they'll pay you a bounty if you report him.

The two types of television ads that irritate me the most are the ones to help you get relief from what you own the IRS and the ones that offer free cells phones with something like 450 minutes a month. I wouldn't mind a cell phone for emergencies only, that could only call 911 or had very limited minutes. But we didn't have a cell phone when we couldn't afford it. And we pay our taxes, which would be a lot less if everyone paid their share.

Sheila

 

[jalpert]

The icing on the cake is going to be the time you see her and she starts telling you how excited she is about her upcoming trip to Disney World...

 

[wdwfan16]

While I understand your frustration, it sounds like you're frustrated with your life - "but we work SO HARD for what little we have, and are grateful for what we have, yet they are sucking the system dry and are using the money to pay for things we could never afford," and pointing the finger at them.

I also suspect the $700 week unemployment - that doesn't sound right at all - that just can't be right - no one gets that much! And, people can get thrown out for not paying the mortgage. As stated, you need to report this if it's true, instead of griping about it. It doesn't do anyone any good for you to complain to the wrong people. Take action.

They can even get more than $700.

" As of December, 2008, MA benefits ranged from $32 to $900."


http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_unemployment_MA.html

 

[HLAuburn]

The icing on the cake is going to be the time you see her and she starts telling you how excited she is about her upcoming trip to Disney World...

...and theyre staying at the GF with the Deluxe Dining Plan!

It's coming, I'm sure. If I didn't have to pay my mortgage, insurance, etc, I could afford a Disney vacation once a month!

 

[JenniJ]

eta: I know lots of people who are not married because it would cost them so much. Laws need to be changed.

Not sure what type of laws need to be changed about marrige. If that is what you are talking about. Could be reading this wrong.

There are a lot of people who do not amrry because they don't beleive in the institution, not because they are wanting to save money. And just like a PP said, some people marry to save money. there are many ways to "work" the system, so to speak.

But as Americans, it is up to us to report things that we see as fraud and such. As another PP said, we cannot change anything by complaining on the DIS boards. That will just make us and others unhappy.

 

[akayek31]

When I was in college I was working full time and going to school. I lived with my mom and payed her rent to live there. I was on food stamps for me and my kids and they had Medicaid. My mother was making $40000 a year in her job as I was making $13000. So my caseworker knew my mom lived in the home and knew what she made. You have no idea what she has told her caseworker. She may have informed her of all this. She is not married to this guy. So his income does not count if she is a single mom unless she is getting child support like I did once in a blue moon.

 

[amyjo920]

Totally, 100% agree with the OP. I have absolutely NO problem with people receiving help that TRULY need it. Unless you are disabled, I think you should have to prove you are trying to better yourself at least every 6 months (school, job hunting).

Once upon a time, DH and I had to receive assistance. Let me tell you, it was one of the most depressing things ever. The help was very much appreciated and I NEVER felt entitled to any of it. EVER! Had it not been for my step-daughter moving in with us very unexpectedly, we would not have done it, but at the time we literally had 2 boxes of generic macaroni and cheese in the pantry and no insurance. I was by no means proud of it and we lived very poorly. There were no extravagances. But again, I did what we HAD to do for our child to be taken care of. And I cannot even begin to tell you how hard we have both worked to better ourselves and the sacrifices we have made to provide for our family. I now have an awesome job with great benefits. The downside is that I have to work afternoons. I see my kids 2 evenings a week and a couple hours on the weekends before I go to work at 3. Do I enjoy never seeing them? Absolutely not!

And I will tell you that NOTHING pisses me off more than to drive by the government housing where the majority of the people I know are capable of working, just don't. And then I see awesome play equipment, better cars than I have, and even boats in the driveway. It's ridiculous! Illinois has a ridiculous amount of welfare fraud, absolutely sickening. I live in a very small town, so I do know most of these people, not making assumptions. And it's funny, I work at the jail and the people that come in for DUI's drunk off their butts weekly and then spend $300 a pop for bond, are the SAME people I am behind in the grocery store using their LINK cards.

My daughters "real" mom is one of the worst, from food stamps and insurance to when she received child support. We had no problem paying it, but would get phone calls "If you want to pick her up, you need to bring me cigarettes. My child support wasn't in the mailbox." Or "I can't go to the bar tonight because my check didn't come." She works for about a month every 4 to 5 years when the public aid office tells her she has to get a job. We don't ask for or receive ANY support from her for our daughter and frankly don't want or need her money.

Anyway, I got off on a tangent obviously, but I am definitely in favor of reporting her.

 

[greens_in_WA]

I had a co-worker I should've reported years back.. not sure it was even her fault, but she said her caseworker never asked for her DH's income... he worked making decent money and she worked full-time, but she was never asked for his income in spite of flashing her wedding ring (very pretty btw) and she still received WIC... gave away lots of food b/c she had too much. I regret not reporting her so they could figure out what the heck that social worker was thinking.