Just Back - ***TOUR GROUP RANT!!**

[brunette8706]

How about the saying "When in Rome...." If I travel to another country what would happen if I plopped down in the middle of the road, started chanting, would not move out of the way etc etc...These young people (and I am speaking of the tour groups) come here spend money and earn the right to treat everyone else like garbage.?..sorry

Is it the fault of these teens no I think its the fault of the parents of all these teens and the tour group chaperones or guides. I've been going for decades I am tired of being pushed, shoved, and having the priviledge of walking around a large rude group because they will not budge. and the chanting yes its rude & its started (in my experience ) by those in charge.

I'm not worrying about what countries don't like us..I don't care. OUR military helps countries all over the world. Is it too much to ask that someone from another country is respectful in places in our country they visit?

Only ONE time did I witness these groups stop the noise. At the end of the EMP with the float with the American Flag & the Eagle the clapping from the crowd was thunderous and I was proud !

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Agreed. Well said. Thank you! Brunette

 

[A Mickeyfan]

So the solution is to just let them do it and get away with it? It seems we're all in agreement that WDW won't do anything to stop. If we take this to the logical conclusion then at some point in the future WDW will ultimately become a place where anyone can do anything they want. I mean because if a regular person tries to stop it on their own they're either a bully or a soon-to-be litigant. WDW is a big, bad company only concerned with making <gasp> a profit so they're not going to risk revenue by offending anyone. Whatever shall we do? I go to Paris every so often and think I'm going to have to make a visit to Disneyland Paris just so I can see how much of an "ugly American" I really am.

It is not up to any guest to take it in their hands. If you want to do that, get your own theme park, you may feel like you own Disney while there but you don't. You do not have the right to take it in your own hands if the Corporation doesn't want to do something, especially if it means physically confronting the guest. The only thing you can control is YOU, don't go if you don't like it. Do you take it upon yourself to do what ever you want? Do you take it upon yourself to control those around you? I understand that there are things in life we do not like, but we cannot always do anything about it. You want to teach your child a good lesson when something like this happens, you tell them that the actions they are witnessing displayed by the tour groups are inappropriate. It is something they never should do. You don't go teach your child how to elbow, push or extract someone.. nor do you teach them foul language. Yes, to me a person who does that is a brute/bully, male or female, and very ugly.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Those bad bad Americans! Frankly, how this thread got turned around to bash American's is beyond me. For those that want to take up for the BRAZILIAN crude, rude, crass tour groups so be it! This thread turned 180 degrees to I'll repeat again, to BASH Americans. How dare someone take up for his or her family because of the BRAZILIAN Tour groups contemtuous behavior! Over 180 posts and the large majority are complaining about the crass, crude, rude Brazilian tour groups. Says volumes doesn't it?

Always does...its our fault..

 

[creativeamanda]

DH and I commented on the tour groups when we were there in June. Never have I seen so many people there shoving, elbowing, pushing in line! I don't care how far they have traveled or how much money they have paid, I think that if they can't behave, a CM needs to ask them to leave.

We were standing in line at TSM. the posted wait time was 20 min, so we hopped into the standby line. Not 5 min into our wait, a group of 30 people, all foreign, start moving their way through where someone is holding a spot in line for them. Five minutes later, another group of 20 people do the same thing. When the third group came through, my husband stood in their way, and said, "You know, this is what Fastpass is for. You'll have to wait at the end of the line." They tried to argue, and a CM told them to go to the end of the line. They may have been mad, but I don't care.

And frankly, I don't care that other countries dislike Americans. I've worked hard for everything I have and if they dislike me bacause I have more and I was by the luck of the draw born here, then so be it. It's not like there is anything I can do about it.

 

[creativeamanda]

Always does...its our fault..

Thank you. Now I understand. We're always wrong. (Yes, CM--I'm being facetious)

 

[Luvchefmic]

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Agreed. Well said. Thank you! Brunette

You're welcome...and if I could get an air horn like you use at a hockey game into the parks I swear when the chanting began I would use it maybe that would end it

 

[A Mickeyfan]

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Agreed. Well said. Thank you! Brunette

Actually, that post isn't completely true.. large American tour group children are just as rude. It doesn't matter what Country. So is it that we are American therefore we have a right to Cheer, but those from Brazil cannot chant? Where is the logic in that? Yes, when in Rome do as the Romans do.. and they are doing just that.. chant/cheer, what is the difference?

 

[A Mickeyfan]

You're welcome...and if I could get an air horn like you use at a hockey game into the parks I swear when the chanting began I would use it maybe that would end it

WOW....and blow out the ear drum of the American standing next to you, just because someone is chanting.. I would like to say if one blows an air-horn, the CM may remove you from the line... that is if security even allowed it to enter the park...

 

[fairydust1278]

i have to say that i have yet to be able to visit walt disney world and have been planning for the last 3 years to take a trip but have yet to do it out of health concerns with my mom. when we do get to go and they happen to be there, they will in no way ruin my trip. i am there for the magic and the fun of disney not for them!

 

[creativeamanda]

Actually, that post isn't completely true.. large American tour group children are just as rude. It doesn't matter what Country. So is it that we are American therefore we have a right to Cheer, but those from Brazil cannot chant? Where is the logic in that? Yes, when in Rome do as the Romans do.. and they are doing just that.. chant/cheer, what is the difference?

And if that isn't a sweeping generalization as well, I don't know what is. When we were there, there were a group of students who had done well on their FCATs. We didn't have any problems with them being rude. The teachers, however, disgusted me, bacause I never saw one of them with a group of students.

The only personal problems I had were from a group from somewhere in South America and those teachers.

 

[OhioDisneyDad]

It is not up to any guest to take it in their hands. If you want to do that, get your own theme park, you may feel like you own Disney while there but you don't. You do not have the right to take it in your own hands if the Corporation doesn't want to do something, especially if it means physically confronting the guest. The only thing you can control is YOU, don't go if you don't like it. Do you take it upon yourself to do what ever you want? Do you take it upon yourself to control those around you? I understand that there are things in life we do not like, but we cannot always do anything about it. You want to teach your child a good lesson when something like this happens, you tell them that the actions they are witnessing displayed by the tour groups are inappropriate. It is something they never should do. You don't go teach your child how to elbow, push or extract someone.. nor do you teach them foul language. Yes, to me a person who does that is a brute/bully, male or female, and very ugly.

Well, since I'm an "ugly American", I don't have to care what you think but I recognize your right to think it - no matter how wrong or misinformed you may be. The fallacy in your reasoning is evident in this sentence: "I understand that there are things in life we do not like, but we cannot always do anything about it." There are many things that can be done but you have to have the desire to do them. Just throwing up your hands and saying that's the way it is doesn't lead to many solutions. The problem is that the majority of people like to complain but most won't take action - any kind of action - because that involves effort. With your way of thinking we'd probably still be an English colony. Thankfully, I have many other vacation options which I plan to utilize. Based on the number of discounts and freebies that WDW has been offering others must be investigating other vacation options as well. I'm hoping US & IOA have a banner year and WDW posts a huge loss. That's the only thing that will get WDW's attention - speaking with our wallets!

 

[sleeping beauty 1]

Many of them do stay onsite. For the ones that stay offsite, they do have private buses that charter them around. They also go to the Universal Parks as well as Sea World, but you don't hear of many complaints about them in those parks either.. just seems to be Disney. Makes me wonder if it is the particular make up of the Disney guests that are doing the complaining (ie: that it is their park for their children & they paid good money to be there and don't want others infringing on their fun). As you have stated, you don't hear many complaints about them at the resorts & I don't think I have ever heard a complaint about them on the Universal sub boards... just Disney Theme Parks.. this sub board...

Actually, I know a couple of people that have worked security at Universal (as well as CM's at WDW) and they say it is the same thing there as at WDW. They have to keep an eye out for them. Maybe Uni kicks them out for any small issue -- I didn't ask. Probably just a lot smaller volume of people so less will come out and complain -- a larger group at WDW so more likely to hear more complaints.

 

[Tiger926]

Those bad bad Americans! Frankly, how this thread got turned around to bash American's is beyond me. For those that want to take up for the BRAZILIAN crude, rude, crass tour groups so be it! This thread turned 180 degrees to I'll repeat again, to BASH Americans. How dare someone take up for his or her family because of the BRAZILIAN Tour groups contemtuous behavior! Over 180 posts and the large majority are complaining about the crass, crude, rude Brazilian tour groups. Says volumes doesn't it?

I'm not sure how it's bashing Americans when some of us are trying to remind you that the behaviour you are discussing is not exclusive to non-Americans? Not sure how you got there, but I will say that some of the responses on this thread definitely are hypocritical and bullying in their tone...That is bad, IMHO.

What some of us are trying to say is:

- Some of us aren't bothered by these groups at all, and we've spent countless more hours in the parks than all of you have. Why is it that some are bothered, yet some are not?

- Not 'all' Brazilian tour groups are rude and inconsiderate.

- Rude is rude is rude! Whether it's an American family, a Brazilan teen or a Canadian child, any behaviour that is deemed unsafe to others, should be stopped. If anyone is accosted or harmed in a physical manner by ANYONE, they should seek assistance. Unsafe behaviour in the parks is not good for any of us, no matter the country of origin of the offenders.

- Chanting is no different than singing, so why is one acceptable and not the other? Chanting or singing in a confined space or during a live performance is inconsiderate at all times. Just as talking on cell phones and texting is - saw a million people doing this in the parks, and it was rude and inconsiderate at some points.

- It remains to be seen what Disney will do about this supposed issue. I do believe that you all should write letters, and instead of sounding prejudicial and racist, you should come up with solutions to the supposed problems. They will take you much more seriously, than if you sound racist and entitled. That will not be taken seriously at all.

- A group is only as good as its leader. If the leaders are problematic, then it will reflect on the group as well.

- I stand by the fact that Disney parks are not suitable for any large tour groups at all. By large, I mean over 25 people. They need to make it mandatory that groups must have an assigned CM guide/s with them at all times in order to tour the parks.

- Bad behaviour will not be made better, by bad behaviour. So, for those who think it's acceptable to shove, push or scream back, it's not.

- When you spend all of your time expecting rude behaviour, and looking out for it, that is exactly what you are going to get. Did some people experience rude behaviour? Sure they did. But, honestly, some of the replies on here are ridiculous and some people seem to be bothered just by the simple fact that the Big Bad Brazilian tour groups were in town. When you are looking for rude, it will definitely find you. It's really not hard to avoid the tour groups at all - we've been doing it for 10 years. Go the opposite way, leave the parks, don't get Fastpasses at that time, etc. I'm a small, petite woman, and I've walked right in the middle of a swarm of 50+ teens and wasn't assaulted or injured in anyway.


Tiger

 

[sleeping beauty 1]

I did not say a thing about swearing. As for dividing, not because of origin, race, or anything like that but because it is a touring group. All over the world in any hotel, groups treated differently because they are group, so why Disney should be any different, has nothing to do with discrimination at all, why would you even bring it up.

On one of the pages a person said that when she was with the Disney music group in high school that they were told that Disney rules were only 5-6 teens grouped together at one time together.

Yes, any group can be rude.

I will mention one awesome group (actually set of groups) we saw a year ago. The adults in charge were AWESOME! They made those kids walk in a single-file line and one adult in front and the other in back. They watched them like a hawk and I think it was about 20 kids in the group. They listened, did not block roads, cut in line, were pleasant, didn't chant, etc . . . The other tour groups need to follow this approach. I think they divided each into sets of 15-20 and monitored them closely. Super work for them -- too bad the others don't follow the same approach.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Actually, that post isn't completely true.. large American tour group children are just as rude. It doesn't matter what Country. So is it that we are American therefore we have a right to Cheer, but those from Brazil cannot chant? Where is the logic in that? Yes, when in Rome do as the Romans do.. and they are doing just that.. chant/cheer, what is the difference?

We are speaking about Tour groups. I don't think the cheering squads count as a touring group...and then we are talking about the tour groups from Brazil not really important MY experience over the years is my experience. I have NEVER seen the cheerleaders plop down in the middle of any road , block people, and start cheering.

WOW....and blow out the ear drum of the American standing next to you, just because someone is chanting.. I would like to say if one blows an air-horn, the CM may remove you from the line... that is if security even allowed it to enter the park...

Well now you have a point....I'll bring in a whistle is that okay ?


I can't quote everyone here that is saying basically the same thing I am saying but I am T I R E D of being the stupid American who can send MY children into battlefields all over the world and then be afraid to stand up for my rights, my pursuit of happiness, my right to have personal space anywhere in MY country. Some of our leaders may be apologizing all over the world and bending over to be PC but I am sooooooooooo tired of it and I will not do it.

 

[OhioDisneyDad]

I can't quote everyone here that is saying basically the same thing I am saying but I am T I R E D of being the stupid American who can send MY children into battlefields all over the world and then be afraid to stand up for my rights, my pursuit of happiness, my right to have personal space anywhere in MY country. Some of our leaders may be apologizing all over the world and bending over to be PC but I am sooooooooooo tired of it and I will not do it.

AMEN! If you're ever at WDW while I'm there I will DEFINITELY buy you a drink!!!

 

[sleeping beauty 1]

........and Americans wonder why so many countries dislike us. What is that saying "the proof is in the pudding". Our society will never change as long as parents continue to pass on their behaviors.. and the attitude of, we can do what ever we want, legal or not.

There has to be some happy medium -- we cannot let them run over our children in a line though or move my child just because they wanted to sit with a friend even though they knowingly went through a single-rider line.

There doesn't have to be violence, but a firm command when speaking with them is key. I first tell them No (they cannot pretend they don't understand that word).

I believe we need to stand up for ourselves without being rude. Any group is certainly not anymore entitled than another. So they shouldn't be allowed to do these things that have almost harmed my own children. I did not push or shove back, but was forceful and handled it as calmly as possible.

The only exception I would ever give to that is a WISH family or a very ill young child -- they do deserve a bit extra TLC or some privileges.

 

[Luvchefmic]

AMEN! If you're ever at WDW while I'm there I will DEFINITELY buy you a drink!!!

You PM me anytime and tell me when & where. I live here I would love to meet the Ugly American and his family !

 

[creativeamanda]

I can't quote everyone here that is saying basically the same thing I am saying but I am T I R E D of being the stupid American who can send MY children into battlefields all over the world and then be afraid to stand up for my rights, my pursuit of happiness, my right to have personal space anywhere in MY country. Some of our leaders may be apologizing all over the world and bending over to be PC but I am sooooooooooo tired of it and I will not do it.

I can't count how many times my BIL has gone to Afghanistan or Iraq in the past 4 years leaving his wife and 2 sons with autism. I realize it's his job and he should do it, but the family left behind taking care of his family should be able to enjoy their time together even if it is at a theme park.

AMEN! If you're ever at WDW while I'm there I will DEFINITELY buy you a drink!!!

You get him the drink--I'm buying him a steak at Narcoossee's

 

[sleeping beauty 1]

It is not up to any guest to take it in their hands. If you want to do that, get your own theme park, you may feel like you own Disney while there but you don't. You do not have the right to take it in your own hands if the Corporation doesn't want to do something, especially if it means physically confronting the guest. The only thing you can control is YOU, don't go if you don't like it. Do you take it upon yourself to do what ever you want? Do you take it upon yourself to control those around you? I understand that there are things in life we do not like, but we cannot always do anything about it. You want to teach your child a good lesson when something like this happens, you tell them that the actions they are witnessing displayed by the tour groups are inappropriate. It is something they never should do. You don't go teach your child how to elbow, push or extract someone.. nor do you teach them foul language. Yes, to me a person who does that is a brute/bully, male or female, and very ugly.

What if they grab your 8yo by the arm and try to move them to another seat. That is wrong and you do have to stand up to the tour group then. I have only experienced these tour groups try to do this. You can't bully back, but you do have to stand up -- what they did was wrong and they have to be told in some way.