Just Back - ***TOUR GROUP RANT!!**

[A Mickeyfan]

I've never seen a tour group, so I won't be asking for any money back. I'm talking about the situation everyone else is having a problem with and how it can be fixed. The only way Disney is going to do something about this is if the groups are creating a legitimate security concern. If people decide they just aren't going to take it anymore, that's exactly what's going to happen and they'll have to address it eventually. People being annoyed by them and then coming home and writing letters really isn't going to create that sense of urgency. If this "alpha male" starts shoving people back and gets charges pressed, that will create HUGE amounts of attention to the situation in the media, and again, that's the only way it's actually going to be addressed. So really, the best advice to the guy is to start popping them all in the mouth if they're bothering him.


(Please withhold the lectures, those of you who don't get that this is mostly tongue in cheek)

so you condone physical violence by an adult against a teen That really says a lot for you I sure hope you don't have any kids, I guess it would be ok if one of them got popped in the mouth by an adult guest at Disney because they did something that guest didn't like. The way one handles themselves in situations as such as tour groups is model behavior for your child. If your child sees you physically attacking someone over line cutting, then you are really going to teach them that the ONLY way to solve problems is thru violence. Same goes for the filthy mouth guests.. go ahead an use those types of words in front of your children, then put soap in their mouth when they use it... Every adult is a role model for their kids, so watch what you do & say in front of them.. they are like sponges, they absorb everything you do & say..

and I will say, you are not what I would call a role model if you want guests to start getting physical just so the media can be alerted.... whether you meant it literally or tongue in cheek as you state, your thoughts on the subject do come thru

 

[maxiesmom]

If people decide they just aren't going to take it anymore, that's exactly what's going to happen and they'll have to address it eventually. People being annoyed by them and then coming home and writing letters really isn't going to create that sense of urgency. If this "alpha male" starts shoving people back and gets charges pressed, that will create HUGE amounts of attention to the situation in the media, and again, that's the only way it's actually going to be addressed. So really, the best advice to the guy is to start popping them all in the mouth if they're bothering him.


(Please withhold the lectures, those of you who don't get that this is mostly tongue in cheek)

The only thing shoving someone around will do is get you tossed, and possible banned, from the parks. It won't solve anything. I fail to see the humor in your "mostly" tounge in cheek post.

 

[misseulalie]

Back in the 90's when these groups were really out of control, they would go to the closest K-Mart (I told you it was the 90's) which is in Dr. Phillips. They would storm the K-mart like it was a playground. They would race around the store bumping into things, ramming thier carts into each other like it was bumber cars. My mom got hit in the back of the leg so badly that it bled. The teenager who did it ran off laughing. The store was like a tornado hit it. The employees were so upset and didn't know what to do. They were knocking things on the floor, never putting anything back, food was laying out that should have been refridgerated. It seriously was like these teenagers never stepped foot into a store before in their lives. Of course, the group leaders were never to be found.

It's horrible that these kids make people dislike a whole country and culture. We know many people from Brazil and of course they don't act that way, but to those people who don't know about a lot of different cultures or countries; they will always assume the worst of this country now.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Think of me what you will - I truly don't care. You keep trying to twist what I said as me wanting to hit somebody which I never said. I can get someone out of my way without laying a hand on them. Of course someone messing with my wife or my kids gives me free reign to do whatever I need to do extract that person or persons from the situation. And for the record, I wasn't just referring to the roving packs of thoughtless tour group members - I was referring all the stupid, inconsiderate folks who seem to check their manners and common sense at the front gate.

Standing up for myself doesn't make me a bully. Me getting in someone's face because they're being inconsiderate or just plain stupid doesn't make me bully. Me not letting a bunch of thoughtless, ill-mannered teens cut in line in front of a bunch of folks who've been standing there respecting the rules doesn't make me a bully. Me holding back a rowdy bunch of teens who keep cutting in line at the FP machine so that other families and their kids can get the turn they had been waiting on doesn't make me a bully. All of these situations actually happened and I didn't hear the word bully uttered once. What I did hear was thank yous from the guests around me who wanted to do the same thing but didn't. I think I'll stick with my way of doing things. Besides, I have a good lawyer!

How does one extract a person? I am not twisting your words, but merely using them in the form they were meant to..
Extract is....
to pull or take out forcible : to obtain by much effort from someone unwilling

You may want to check your use of words before stating that someone is twisting them

Oh and by the way, stick with your way & you will need that good lawyer, and a ton of money too.... That is a nice way to spend your vacation and a good thing to teach your children.. way to go for Father of the Year

 

[hereyago]

Seriously, how this any different than chanting?



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Honestly, if people are reading through this entire thread, I'm thinking they might see how much hypocrisy is present. Some are suggesting to stop direspectful behaviour by more disrespectful behaviour. Huh?

I'm not sure what other cultural groups might think of you all, if they were reading ths thread.

Tiger

If you read my post, I didn't say anything about it being any different than chanting. I didn't say I was chanting, or signing or acting in a disruptive manner.

Sometimes,after other methods have failed, the only way to get through to people acting like that is to be disrespectful back.


As for the different cultures if they were reading this thread, maybe they would take the hint not to act foolish, disruptive. But then again, I have seen fellow Americans acting just as foolish.

 

[misseulalie]

If you read my post, I didn't say anything about it being any different than chanting. I didn't say I was chanting, or signing or acting in a disruptive manner.

Sometimes,after other methods have failed, the only way to get through to people acting like that is to be disrespectful back.


As for the different cultures if they were reading this thread, maybe they would take the hint not to act foolish, disruptive. But then again, I have seen fellow Americans acting just as foolish.

It's not different, but maybe they will get the hint that we don't like it and pushed enough, we will respond...

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I wouldn't take your letter seriously, as you take an entire group, and claim that they 'all' ruin things for everyone in the parks. They have never bothered me that much, so they don't bother everyone. Disney won't take a letter like this seriously, as it's prejudicial and it's stereotyping one group.



Seriously, how this any different than chanting?







Again, how is this any different than the chanting?








Honestly, if people are reading through this entire thread, I'm thinking they might see how much hypocrisy is present. Some are suggesting to stop direspectful behaviour by more disrespectful behaviour. Huh?

I'm not sure what other cultural groups might think of you all, if they were reading ths thread.

Tiger

 

[BlueIrish]

OP, I totally understand your issue. I was just there last week. The massive amount of tour groups from Brazil started to really become annoying.

I have no issue with people having fun, but how about not being totally obnoxious, and just rude.

The chanting LOUDLY in small indoor spaces is not fun.

 

[OhioDisneyDad]

How does one extract a person? I am not twisting your words, but merely using them in the form they were meant to..
Extract is....
to pull or take out forcible : to obtain by much effort from someone unwilling

You may want to check your use of words before stating that someone is twisting them

Oh and by the way, stick with your way & you will need that good lawyer, and a ton of money too.... That is a nice way to spend your vacation and a good thing to teach your children.. way to go for Father of the Year

Let's see...teaching my children to stand up for themselves. That may seem like a strange concept to you but then again you sound like you enjoy being the world's door mat. And yes, when it comes to someone bothering my wife or kids - I will EXTRACT that person however I see fit. I won't need to find a dictionary to try to come off sounding more educated (but I have a Masters if you're curious). Your type likes to talk about how good it is to talk things out and reason through all situations. When that doesn't work you run to find someone else to fight your battles (probably yelling "I'll sue you!" as you run away). I'm guessing you are or were a teacher or government worker of some type. Peace & Love!

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Let's see...teaching my children to stand up for themselves. That may seem like a strange concept to you but then again you sound like you enjoy being the world's door mat. And yes, when it comes to someone bothering my wife or kids - I will EXTRACT that person however I see fit. I won't need to find a dictionary to try to come off sounding more educated (but I have a Masters if you're curious). Your type likes to talk about how good it is to talk things out and reason through all situations. When that doesn't work you run to find someone else to fight your battles (probably yelling "I'll sue you!" as you run away). I'm guessing you are or were a teacher or government worker of some type. Peace & Love!

just one funny clown now aren't you.. and why would you guess teacher or government, because I don't stand for others to push or extract a minor? Your Masters will get you far sitting in the County jail for extracting a minor... but hey, that is you, not me. FYI, I have never sued anyone in my life.. but if you touch my child by either pushing or extracting you can bet your life you will be locked up.. and the State will go after you, I would not have to sue..

and again.. you are really going for Father of the year, aren't you

 

[kirstenb1]

I have managed to "Americanize" my hubby a little over the past 20 years..

But when he gets together with his coutrymates..its all out the window...(taken 07/2010 at a NE Revs soccer game against his Brazilian hometown team..Cruzeiros)

Your family is gorgeous!!!

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

Let's see...teaching my children to stand up for themselves. That may seem like a strange concept to you but then again you sound like you enjoy being the world's door mat. And yes, when it comes to someone bothering my wife or kids - I will EXTRACT that person however I see fit. I won't need to find a dictionary to try to come off sounding more educated (but I have a Masters if you're curious). Your type likes to talk about how good it is to talk things out and reason through all situations. When that doesn't work you run to find someone else to fight your battles (probably yelling "I'll sue you!" as you run away). I'm guessing you are or were a teacher or government worker of some type. Peace & Love!

I definitely think there's a time for self defense and I don't see anything wrong with not letting people cut you in line, etc. but I have no idea why you needed to insult teachers and government workers to get your point across. I don't want anyone else to "fight my battles." I go to work 190 days a year teaching high school students in a very urban school district. Some students are as old as 21 and I have to run a tight classroom to do that. Since I only get paid 10 months of the year, I spend my summers working, this year writing curriculum. Differences of opinion are fine but it seems that you have an incorrect preconception of my career and I wanted to clear that up.

 

[coconutprincess]

So I've read all the comments. I agree/disagree with some. I'm a youth leader volunteer. I may be a volunteer, but I'm really still a key leader.

I've been in July 12 years ago and wasn't a fan. I think the responsibility comes down to the leaders. My kids - well they can be a handful. But you know what, they act out in public, we stop them. Do what needs to be done. No violence, but the we are the leader, you are the student pressure. And this isn't just for the Brazil group, but any organization such as Pop Warner, HS groups, etc.

Perhaps Disney should speak with the leaders before they come in on how their groups should behave.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I definitely think there's a time for self defense and I don't see anything wrong with not letting people cut you in line, etc. but I have no idea why you needed to insult teachers and government workers to get your point across. I don't want anyone else to "fight my battles." I go to work 190 days a year teaching high school students in a very urban school district. Some students are as old as 21 and I have to run a tight classroom to do that. Since I only get paid 10 months of the year, I spend my summers working, this year writing curriculum. Differences of opinion are fine but it seems that you have an incorrect preconception of my career and I wanted to clear that up.

His posting explains the type of person he is. I would not worry about his insults to teachers & government workers. He may have a Masters but he is lacking some serious common sense.. and he should be thanking a teacher for his education instead of throwing insults..

 

[A Mickeyfan]

So I've read all the comments. I agree/disagree with some. I'm a youth leader volunteer. I may be a volunteer, but I'm really still a key leader.

I've been in July 12 years ago and wasn't a fan. I think the responsibility comes down to the leaders. My kids - well they can be a handful. But you know what, they act out in public, we stop them. Do what needs to be done. No violence, but the we are the leader, you are the student pressure. And this isn't just for the Brazil group, but any organization such as Pop Warner, HS groups, etc.

Perhaps Disney should speak with the leaders before they come in on how their groups should behave.

This along with the consequences that will follow if the rules aren't adhered to.... and they would need to follow up with that by removing the group from the park if they are doing line jumping. I would think that they cannot be removed for wanting FP's or chanting, there are no safety issues there.

 

[ols386]

Let's see...teaching my children to stand up for themselves. That may seem like a strange concept to you but then again you sound like you enjoy being the world's door mat. And yes, when it comes to someone bothering my wife or kids - I will EXTRACT that person however I see fit. I won't need to find a dictionary to try to come off sounding more educated (but I have a Masters if you're curious). Your type likes to talk about how good it is to talk things out and reason through all situations. When that doesn't work you run to find someone else to fight your battles (probably yelling "I'll sue you!" as you run away). I'm guessing you are or were a teacher or government worker of some type. Peace & Love!

What do you mean when you say "extract"?

When you say "however you see fit", that sounds like you would consider taking the law into your own hands. Not sure if that's exactly what you mean?

 

[OhioDisneyDad]

just one funny clown now aren't you.. and why would you guess teacher or government, because I don't stand for others to push or extract a minor? Your Masters will get you far sitting in the County jail for extracting a minor... but hey, that is you, not me. FYI, I have never sued anyone in my life.. but if you touch my child by either pushing or extracting you can bet your life you will be locked up.. and the State will go after you, I would not have to sue..

and again.. you are really going for Father of the year, aren't you

I like how you only pick out the parts of my responses that help you try to support your weak argument. It also appears that I'm correct about your occupation since you didn't deny it - but then again that doesn't surprise me at all. Since you seem intent on focusing on minors even though I've repeatedly said that I'm not just referring to minors, maybe if you and others like you could control your kids then they wouldn't need to be put in their place by others and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't need an award to know that my kids don't act that way in public. Maybe you should look at your own parenting skills first since it appears that you think your own kids are prone to acting poorly in public. Otherwise, I would have no reason to say or do anything to your little angels - right? Hopefully, using actual logic hasn't confused you.

 

[OhioDisneyDad]

His posting explains the type of person he is. I would not worry about his insults to teachers & government workers. He may have a Masters but he is lacking some serious common sense.. and he should be thanking a teacher for his education instead of throwing insults..

It wasn't an insult it was my opinion which I'm entitled to. I made my assumption based on your responses much like you assuming that you know type of person I am based on my responses to this topic. A teacher should be able to grasp the concept of hypocrisy. You sure have no problem using it.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I like how you only pick out the parts of my responses that help you try to support your weak argument. It also appears that I'm correct about your occupation since you didn't deny it - but then again that doesn't surprise me at all. Since you seem intent on focusing on minors even though I've repeatedly said that I'm not just referring to minors, maybe if you and others like you could control your kids then they wouldn't need to be put in their place by others and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't need an award to know that my kids don't act that way in public. Maybe you should look at your own parenting skills first since it appears that you think your own kids are prone to acting poorly in public. Otherwise, I would have no reason to say or do anything to your little angels - right? Hopefully, using actual logic hasn't confused you.

my children are grown thank you very much. No, I am not a teacher, by my DH does work for the government....

 

[Planogirl]

I don't condone physical interaction either. However booing briefly or telling someone to shut up is quite a bit different from chanting endlessly. The physical bit is over the top IMO but I can't believe that a few people here are so zealously defending these groups.