Just an Idea...

DanceBabe16

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This is just an idea, but I really really wish it was true!!
One of my all-time favorite rides at WDW is the Tower of Terror. Honestly, my favorite part is walking through the lobby, library, etc. (I don't know why, but everything from the 1920's to the 1940's interests me...the way of life, architecture, EVERYTHING!) Anyway, I was just thinking: wouldn't it be cool if they made an actual Hollywood Tower Hotel for guests to really stay in during their visit to WDW? It wouldn't be run-down or struck by lightning or anything, but in awesome condition, like the ride before disaster hit. Everything would be themed to the 40's (Is that when the ride takes place? Or is it the 20's?) and the CM's would wear the same outfits as the ones working on the ride...like, a glamorous hotel right out of Hollywood's heyday...
I dunno...just a little suggestion. It probably won't ever happen, but it's OK to dream, right? :)
 
I second the idea! I've often thought the very same thing ~ how cool it would be! :bounce:

The thing is, I would have a hard time deciding which time period to use ~ before or after the storm. I think both would be fab!
 
There have been rumors about just such a thing...also along the same lines a Haunted mansion hotel has been kicked around.
 
In it's inital planning stages, I believe both the WDW & DCA Towers were supposed to also house a hotel in the ride building....but we know where they ended up....
 

Originally posted by HB2K
In it's inital planning stages, I believe both the WDW & DCA Towers were supposed to also house a hotel in the ride building....but we know where they ended up....
Do you have any sources to back up these initial plans? Were working hotels ever a realistic proposal, or were any such thoughts (if they existed) a fleeting glimmer in the back of someone's mind?

I would be really surprised if there were ever any real working plans to house resort guests inside a ride building, much less inside one of the parks. Unfortunately, the way you make the statement it seems you are implying that this was something that was supposed to be, but was axed (like so many other things) in a budget cut. I'd really like more info on whether that was really the case, or are you just creating "cuts" that never really were cuts. The last thing we need are phantom "cuts" to banter about ;).
 
There was an article that ran in the Washington Post back in the spring of 1990 that described a number of future projects at WDW. One mentioned at the time was ToT, though it did not yet have that name, and the description did indeed state that it would be an actual working hotel.
 
that they were trying to work out a way to put rooms into ToT but that brought up a whole host of logistic problems (guests remaining in the park after hours).

In addition, I have heard reports that funny things happen when you try and push around all that air as the car drops - it has to go somewhere - which causes the breakroom walls to bulge and the place to be very loud. Wouldn't be very easy to take a midday break from the action only to hear the drops, the screams, and the shaking from the elevators.

Anyway, those were the two driving factors in ditching the rooms inside ToT -- at least as far as I heard the story go.....

Casual Observer
 
Well, back then I was collecting everything related to WDW that I could get my hands on. I had just spent the summer of 1989 as a CM at Columbia Harbor House in MK, and our family had just moved to the DC area (about 10 miles away from the site of the ill-fated Disney's America). Anyway, I believe that the article in the Post to which I previosly referred called the ToT a "haunted hotel" that also featured a "free fall ride". I probably still have the clipping in storage at my parent's house.

On a different note, my wife and I will be moving from Ohio to the Space Coast of Florida in about 3 mos. It's only 1 hr and 15 mins. to WDW. WOOHOO!
 
Just wondering if you happen to remember how many chicken fingers there were back then ???????????
 
The story goes...
I don't doubt that there was a story, or that someone actually had the idea and tried to think of ways to make it work. Heck, even the papers might have picked up on the possibility of the concept. However, was it ever a serious working model, with a definite workable plan in place, that was scrapped for budget reasons? As AV says ;), there are lots of dreams and ideas..................................I doubt this one ever made it out of the 'I wish we could' stage.
 
The story takes place in 1939.

The hotel concept is also referenced in the Imagineering book.
 
I would be really surprised if there were ever any real working plans to house resort guests inside a ride building, much less inside one of the parks.

Plans for a hotel as part of the park have been created, and have been put into place. Cf the Miracosta resort.

I have a vague recollection of a piece Jim Hill did talking about the rumored Hollywood hotel with guests staying in the parks, but the logistics couldn't be worked out. I remember him saying Ei$ner was a big fan of it...
 
The Disneyland hotel in DLP is in the park itself isn't it (well the entrance gates anyway), so I guess it can be done.

Wasn't there a thread on these forums recently for your fantasy WDW resort? I saw some pretty cool ideas there.
 
On this board not that long ago was a thread telling what the original MGM Studios park was through an Imagineers vision. (Almost all which was scrapped if I recall.)
Wasn't the ToT the tower, and then the remainder of the hotel was laid out, to the side of the ToT?
It may have been a Jim Hill article showing the MGM park that isn't.
 
Found this from the Jim Hill site:
http://www.tower-of-terror.com/jim_hill_tower_tales_2.html
"NEXT TIME: We actually do go exploring Hotel Mel, the scary / silly Walt Disney World Resort hotel that you ALMOST got a chance to stay in. Plus…How Mel Brooks eventually got replaced by Rod Serling."

Drop in again next week for the next installment…"

Maybe someone else can find the third article. I didn't see it.
 
I know you're all debating whether or not a hotel was ever considered for TOT, but I believe the OP was just wondering....

Anyway, I was just thinking: wouldn't it be cool if they made an actual Hollywood Tower Hotel for guests to really stay in during their visit to WDW?

I could be wrong, but I don't think she meant *at* MGM.

I know that if Disney were to erect a hotel that was 1930ish with all the trimmings and dated *costumes*, I'd definitely stay there! :bounce: :Pinkbounc
 
Few people venture into the abandoned buildings that used to house Walt Disney Imagineering. Overgrown and layered with years of dust, this haunted place is no longer fit for mortal man. But if you are brave, they say you can stand outside the front door late at night, when all of Glendale is fast asleep and the quiet settles onto Flower Street...and hear the painful moans of tormented rumors echoing down the long, empty and dark corridors...

There was a concept early on to surround the then new Disney/MGM Studios with hotels, just like the Magic Kingdom and Epcot have their "own" hotels. It all goes back to how to organize WDW and the marketing possibilities of selling "3 days at Epcot" trips as opposed to the full week to experience all of WDW. One thought that had been floating around was to think of WDW as composed of regions, each regions anchored by a theme park.

Some of the concepts are in place (like referring to the "Magic Kingdom Resorts"), but initially there was supposed to be a much stronger sense of place. Each park region has/was to have its own unifying theme for its hotels – the Magic Kingdom hotels are all based on the lands of the park, the Epcot hotels were (and if you stretch it somewhat are) geared towards international vacation regions*. The concept behind the proposed hotels for the Studios was to allow people to actually stay "inside" the movies.

Initially the hotels ideas were based on specific movies. Disney had paid MGM a lot for the rights to some films and this was a way to "get a bang for the buck". There was an idea for the Emerald City, another for Tara from Gone With the Wind, Ric's from Casablanca, and a few others. At the time the higher ups at the company didn't think the Disney brand was strong enough in film, so most of the ideas centered on non-Disney movies.

That didn't sit right with a lot of people internally. So the idea gradually changed into resorts based on movie genres. Among the ideas were an Art Deco palace to represent musicals, a town and ranch for westerns – and a haunted hotel for thrillers. This was also a time when Disney was growing dramatically and people were clamoring for unique Disney resorts. To keep up the "Disney standard", the hotels were meant to be attractions in their own right. Instead of building a hotel in a theme park, they were going to put themed shows inside the hotels.

Since the idea for the hotels was to feel like you were "in" the movie, each hotel would have featured unique interactive elements. For example there would have been bank robberies in the western hotel and the showdowns at high noon. The lobby at the Musical was to feature a big time, show stopping musical production number several times a day. But everyone's favorite hotel was going to the haunted one because there were so many great things that would have happened.

Faces would appear in your bathroom mirror. Deathly cold drafts would suddenly fill the halls. Furniture would glide across the lobby all on its own. Corridors would suddenly change (thanks to sliding walls). Strange and eerie sounds would beckon you in the dark, dark broom closet.

But the hotel's biggest surprise was that it was convention time. All of Hollywood's biggest (and deadest) ghouls, monsters, demons and studio executives were in town. They were having a huge party in the hotel's basement/boiler room (and one of the hotel's restaurants). You're invited, but the only way to get there was this old service elevator. Most of the time the elevator would take you gently to your destination; other times…

Before the paint was dry on the first random sketches for this new series of hotels, the entire Disney Decade came crashing down. The lavish Grand Floridian was making much less than expected, the Yacht and Beach Clubs weren't much better on the margins. The idea of building more expensive hotels (with higher costs because of the show elements) quickly lost appeal. The Disney/MGM Studios proved to be less of a draw than hoped and real movie production (to fill up all the rooms in the Swan and Dolphin with high paid union members and their families) proved to be a bigger illusion than the Emerald City was.

But at Disney good ideas are seldom forgotten (they may despised, denied, maltreated, ignored and squandered – but someone always remembers them). The western resort quickly mutated into the publicly announced (and never built) Buffalo Junction and was actually built at Euro Disney – the project that forever killed the Disney Decade and sent WDW down the path of motel rooms with forty foot letters spelling out AWESOME on the roof.

The elevator ride to the basement restaurant at the haunted hotel was remembered as well. When Disney/MGM Studios needed a big new attractions, WDI knew exactly where to start (the 'Twilight Zone' part was because Eisner had been trying to buy CBS for years and thought the extra change thrown their way for the rights would help – it didn’t). There are very few projects at Disney that cannot trace a long ancestry to plans, concepts and ideas from sometime earlier.

People haven't forgotten about the actual hotel either – but it's strictly talk among the fan types. Disney's interest in full scale resorts is very low. They will make "sure thing" bets like the Grand Californian, but all they want now are high margin, high volume motels to keep the cash flowing in.


* - the original concept for Epcot was to have international themed resort ring the World Showcase area. Think of the Caribbean Beach but on the Polynesian Resort level. I think there was an Australian and the Mediterranean one as well (as well as a vague memory of an African and an Alpine resort). All but the Med** were just very early sketches. When it came time to actually start building the place, Eisner insisted on bringing in Big Time Architects. And those people weren't going to build "cartoony" hotels – they were going to be "unique" places. Sometimes the master plan works, sometimes it doesn't.

** - when the Grand Floridian failed to win the coveted five diamond/star rating, Disney toyed with the idea of building it near the Ticket and Transportation Center. But the costs quickly grew beyond what they wanted to pay for another luxury resort. Fortunately the Japanese had more faith in the plans and the Med was built as the Mira Costa Resort inside DisneySeas. And the designers had faith as well. After Disney fired them, they headed up the road and built the Med for Lowes at Universal Orlando and called it the Portifino. Maybe Universal would be interested in building a haunted hotel as well.
 
Just wondering if you happen to remember how many chicken fingers there were back then ???????????
HAHA! Unfortunately I never really knew the exact number b/c I worked counter and register, not kitchen. However, at the time Harbor House had both adult size and child's size chicken finger dinners, so my guess is that the adult size had 5 while child's had 3. I do recall that the side servings of cole slaw and fruit salad were ridiculously small back then, which caused quite a few guests to complain. Oh, and the clam chowder was hideously vile.
 
Originally posted by Another Voice

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Faces would appear in your bathroom mirror. Deathly cold drafts would suddenly fill the halls. Furniture would glide across the lobby all on its own. Corridors would suddenly change (thanks to sliding walls). Strange and eerie sounds would beckon you in the dark, dark broom closet.
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*SIGH* It's not even nice to tell those of us with no clue about this kind of stuff. We could be happily ignorant.

Just the descrition makes me want to go out and find funding so I can build it myself.

This would have been amazing. You would never be able to get a room!!

:(
 












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